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I'd dig a KF-style site if it was focused on the weird "autist detective" type posting that occured during the Kero fallout. I don't think think KF should be erased from the internet (though every time Null goes on his stupid "internet juche" rants, I kinda wish it would just to spite that internet-gremlin), but the sites posters are so rampantly unappealing (they sound like jilted exes crossed with /pol/tards), that very few people really care enough to go to bat for them. Very rarely did any threads become genuinely engaging to me, and the ones that did involved the less-daft users making the online equivalent of a red-thread conspiracy wall to track down nonces and zoosadists. And even those were filled with the usual suspects filling it up with either bad-leads they pulled fron their asses, unarchived links, and the classic "haha kys"-posts that added no substance to the subject.

Tldr: Josh is a lazy admin who kept the site quality at rock bottom and demanded cryptoshekels 24/7, Keffal's is a creep that is malding at her thread containing her quasi-nonce behavior and fart-porn, and kiwi-jannies mop it up FOR FREE.

Also hi, I'm Luna. I'm a Xeno-fag and fighting game enjoyer. I can also play the worst rendition of "Purple Haze" to ever emenate from a Strat.
 
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I'd dig a KF-style site if it was focused on the weird "autist detective" type posting that occured during the Kero fallout. I don't think think KF should be erased from the internet (though every time Null goes on his stupid "internet juche" rants, I kinda wish it would just to spite that internet-gremlin), but the sites posters are so rampantly unappealing (they sound like jilted exes crossed with /pol/tards), that very few people really care enough to go to bat for them. Very rarely did any threads become genuinely engaging to me, and the ones that did involved the less-daft users making the online equivalent of a red-thread conspiracy wall to track down nonces and zoosadists. And even those were filled with the usual suspects filling it up with either bad-leads they pulled fron their asses, unarchived links, and the classic "haha kys"-posts that added no substance to the subject.

Tldr: Josh is a lazy admin who kept the site quality at rock bottom and demanded cryptoshekels 24/7, Keffal's is a creep that is malding at her thread containing her quasi-nonce behavior and fart-porn, and kiwi-jannies mop it up FOR FREE.

Also hi, I'm Luna. I'm a Xeno-fag and fighting game enjoyer. I can also play the worst rendition of "Purple Haze" to ever emenate from a Strat.
A bit off topic but,

Welcome to Agoraroad Luna!

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As an aside I absolutely cannot believe that Null thought going to a Russian company would work out for him after he spent ages flipping the bird at Roskomnadzor. It's one thing going like "oh well, American company won't tolerate me so I'll go to the US's enemy", but an entirely another thing to go to one of your country's adversaries for refuge after screaming "I'M AN AMERICAN EAT SHIT" at their government for ages. I doubt this was due to popular demand in Russia, that well known translover country, and more likely a tap on the shoulder from Roskomnadzor.
Isn't it absolutely nuts? Plan B was to swap to a Russian domain and a Russian CDN? I'm glad there's no plan C because it surely would have been to setup servers in Christchurch.
 
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The only really good thing about this deplatforming was that it exposed the fact that the archetype about Kiwifarms fags being lolcow losers themselves was true. Just look at our power-poisoned tranny admin censoring messages in this thread that disagree with the official site narrative. Kiwifarms was a crutch that kept you weak. It allowed you to feel better by mocking those who are even worse than you. Now you are left with nothing more than a mirror. You have no more excuses, but to confront the failure and hatred in front.

Fuck you, @IlluminatiPirate .
 

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I'm not homophobic by any means but I'd rather keep a distance away from the LGBTQ identity movement anyway. Also, I'm sure there are plenty of gays on that forum who regularly lurk on there as well.

I'm gonna mute this thread from now on. I don't want to even see it anymore, the number of people cheering for the destruction of a site has left me in a state of depression given how many are one-stage thinking the whole situation (Or really the thinly veil masks they are wearing to conceal their true feelings). Needless to say, I am largely disappointed that the opposing group, while understandable as to why they dislike the farms, have shown to me that much of their info is nothing but second-hand experience and regurgitating the same mush from those who never checked out the forums and stayed at least a significant amount of time to understand the culture and even if that is not the case are going in under the pretext of what they heard elsewhere and ignoring the context all together. YES, they are antagonistic in nature and YES they may come across abrasive assholes who have "nothing to do but 'stalk; people they disagree with" (Which again; is a massive misconception and ignoring the context as to why they're like this) but as many stated here a majority of the time: It is the people they're gossiping who are flagrantly/blatantly throwing their personal info out on the internet by their own volition and like 90% of time these people are unaware that they have a thread of their own on the sites.

Another thing that people here have pointed out which I also have mentioned in the chatroom when I was discussing this subject to @Thermite is that time and time again; Null cannot do anything to the people who exist outside the farms that are actively going after the lolcows to get a reaction out of or to seek genuine harm to them and often than not it is the lolcows themselves doing this to other lolcows as well (Keffals, the whole reason why we're all arguing about, is one of those cows who actively harasses others that he[don't care, bite me] disagrees with for example). But if this is falling on deaf ears, I don't know what to say anymore other than good luck trying to hold onto those principles when these people inevitably go after you for any plethora of reasons. Kiwifarms if they're a victim of anything (and are really): victims of being gaslighted by said peoples of all colors whether it be them or those (which is often the case) that exist outside the forums who want to take down the forums by any means necessary which often means; breaking the law.

Speaking of Law. One thing I have learned from reading this thread is that everyone here is acting on subjective morals fueled by their own emotions the emotions of others they rather believe immediately instead of objective morals and realizing that the people Null listed have gone and broke US law, of which I'll post here with links and all.

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https://www.justice.gov/jm/jm-9-48000-computer-fraud
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act
https://www.nacdl.org/Landing/ComputerFraudandAbuseAct
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1030

Even IF there are some "justifications" against Kiwifarms, internet justice, social justice-- whatever the hell it's called will always be inferior to Civil and Court law, period.
I'm going to take advice from St. Augustine and move on. I pray that the site itself will come back to clearnet (I don't want to go darknet, I'm sorry.) and the people who first started this will end up being thrown in jail. I do not care what the opposition on this thread have to say anymore. There is nothing nuance they're bringing and are unwilling to listen. All I ask and wish for these people is to respect others on their beliefs in regard to the site and at least take a healthy dose of context and skepticism of the group they fly under.

One more thing; the reason why I cared is that as @Outer Heaven with had once stated that I agree (and I disagree with him heavily on many subjects mind you) is that there are genuine conversations outside the main board of the farms. I like to look at people's own creative works there and they're more genuine than the discord servers I've lurked around that fly "we're for artists!" flag. I really don't care about lolcows at all, other than seeing them with absolute pity every time they go ham and null or a staffer pins a post that first mentions it. That, and it's the final resting place of videos of a youtuber I used to watch. If this were any other time where ideologues were never forcing the average citizen to conform; I would not even care about Kiwifarms at all, but this isn't that time anymore. Not since 2013. And to many; Kiwifarms is viewed as one of the last major sites that still retains old internet principle and allow people to express themselves and not intervene unless it's necessary. It being the target by the same ideologues from differing colors and then being forced to hide on the dark web to wait out the whole thing fucking saddens me as someone who values the first amendment and liberties of the US Constitution itself and believes said liberties are being curtailed by the federal government and elsewhere online in lieu of safety.


I'm just gonna put this in a box.

Might as well leave Agora Road then. I don't agree with it and there are plenty of people here too that are on the same page as I am. I personally think it's a poison to the individual's spirit and brings nothing but more harm on themselves anything more than some shitposter on /pol/ post gifs of a tranny hanging themselves. It's self-deception and an empty promise. All of the studies people within that community that have tried to convince others are baseless or on the bases of junk science and as someone who considers themselves a man of science, it is very well on the way of being or is already on the premise of pseudoscience. I remember long ago on this forum when someone tried to ask the question of such, a user here made a very great post on the subject matter to. Shame the thread was deleted however because I would def link it here but overall, don't expect us to be 100% on board with that identity movement and if you're gonna make a fuss about it; like I said, might as well leave the forums as my only suggestion

To finish this post off I'll just post this song here that Null put up on the farms before it went down for the second time again. Thanks for reading.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whujg3QUgPI


My mans one step away from unironically posting 32/52 next. Why you using so many words to say that you hate TG people? Are you some kind of beta bitch? Why are you hiding your shit believes behind so many words.

Just admit that you want to murder anyone who isn't cis and straight so I don't have to read your boring ass trirades. Then at least I'd have some sort of respect for you.
 
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My mans one step away from unironically posting 32/52 next. Why you using so many words to say that you hate TG people? Are you some kind of beta bitch? Why are you hiding your shit believes behind so many words.

Just admit that you want to murder anyone who isn't cis and straight so I don't have to read your boring ass trirades. Then at least I'd have some sort of respect for you.
Are you a fed
 
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Internet noob here. But can't they do this to 4chan?
bc the FBI pressured Moot into giving them control of the site in 2010. the normal jannies of the site don't even have moderation control of /b/

another thing of note, I've seen a couple anons note how from the hours of 7am to 4pm EST some of the most insane batshit spammy threads are posted and at the end of that time period they just stop. now I don't know about you but to me that sounds very much like an organized effort to spam the site and the actual people doing it are doing it during a predefined set of work hours. Given that working 7-4 is a normal set of hours for someone working in DC and given that we know the FBI has some control of the site I'd say it's them
 
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The only really good thing about this deplatforming was that it exposed the fact that the archetype about Kiwifarms fags being lolcow losers themselves was true. Just look at our power-poisoned tranny admin censoring messages in this thread that disagree with the official site narrative. Kiwifarms was a crutch that kept you weak. It allowed you to feel better by mocking those who are even worse than you. Now you are left with nothing more than a mirror. You have no more excuses, but to confront the failure and hatred in front.

Fuck you, @IlluminatiPirate .
wtf are you talking about?
 
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My mans one step away from unironically posting 32/52 next. Why you using so many words to say that you hate TG people? Are you some kind of beta bitch? Why are you hiding your shit believes behind so many words.

Just admit that you want to murder anyone who isn't cis and straight so I don't have to read your boring ass trirades. Then at least I'd have some sort of respect for you.
You know you can just ignore people right?
 
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My mans one step away from unironically posting 32/52 next. Why you using so many words to say that you hate TG people? Are you some kind of beta bitch? Why are you hiding your shit believes behind so many words.

Just admit that you want to murder anyone who isn't cis and straight so I don't have to read your boring ass trirades. Then at least I'd have some sort of respect for you.
Imagine the reaction of people like this if Pirate unleashed MTTS on threads again
 
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Kiwifarms was a crutch that kept you weak. It allowed you to feel better by mocking those who are even worse than you. Now you are left with nothing more than a mirror. You have no more excuses, but to confront the failure and hatred in front.
This seems like a cope. Mocking or observing the strange outliers of society predates the internet, just look at the Wack Pack from the Howard Stern show.

Granted most online communities have their fair share of losers, deviants, and crazies, and perhaps the farms are indeed disproportionately skewed in that manner, but that fact alone should have no impact on whether or not the site should remain online.

I'd dig a KF-style site if it was focused on the weird "autist detective" type posting that occured during the Kero fallout. I don't think think KF should be erased from the internet (though every time Null goes on his stupid "internet juche" rants, I kinda wish it would just to spite that internet-gremlin), but the sites posters are so rampantly unappealing (they sound like jilted exes crossed with /pol/tards), that very few people really care enough to go to bat for them. Very rarely did any threads become genuinely engaging to me, and the ones that did involved the less-daft users making the online equivalent of a red-thread conspiracy wall to track down nonces and zoosadists. And even those were filled with the usual suspects filling it up with either bad-leads they pulled fron their asses, unarchived links, and the classic "haha kys"-posts that added no substance to the subject.

Tldr: Josh is a lazy admin who kept the site quality at rock bottom and demanded cryptoshekels 24/7, Keffal's is a creep that is malding at her thread containing her quasi-nonce behavior and fart-porn, and kiwi-jannies mop it up FOR FREE.

Also hi, I'm Luna. I'm a Xeno-fag and fighting game enjoyer. I can also play the worst rendition of "Purple Haze" to ever emenate from a Strat.
I largely agree. The low effort slurs and insults bog the site down for me but it's within their rights to say those things. Also hello and welcome
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My mans one step away from unironically posting 32/52 next. Why you using so many words to say that you hate TG people? Are you some kind of beta bitch? Why are you hiding your shit believes behind so many words.

Just admit that you want to murder anyone who isn't cis and straight so I don't have to read your boring ass trirades. Then at least I'd have some sort of respect for you.

The schizo is real, that bad faith posting is real, the seething is real. Holy shit man go take a break.

Also @IlluminatiPirate had nothing to do with this thread. If you're referring to the missing pages then that's not him trying to skew a narrative. He had to role back the site because of an addon he used bugging out.

But hey, go call me labels that mean nothing to me considering that I have friends who are gay and bi and I know one of them is also against the LGBTQ identity movements as well. Shocker I know but hey that's how the world works: in a series of grays.
 
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Imagine the reaction of people like this if Pirate unleashed MTTS on threads again
:bullymaguirelaugh:
The only really good thing about this deplatforming was that it exposed the fact that the archetype about Kiwifarms fags being lolcow losers themselves was true. Just look at our power-poisoned tranny admin censoring messages in this thread that disagree with the official site narrative. Kiwifarms was a crutch that kept you weak. It allowed you to feel better by mocking those who are even worse than you. Now you are left with nothing more than a mirror. You have no more excuses, but to confront the failure and hatred in front.

Fuck you, @IlluminatiPirate .
What are you talking about?
 
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The schizo is real, that bad faith posting is real, the seething is real. Holy shit man go take a break.

Also @IlluminatiPirate had nothing to do with this thread. If you're referring to the missing pages then that's not him trying to skew a narrative. He had to role back the site because of an addon he used bugging out.

But hey, go call me labels that mean nothing to me considering that I have friends who are gay and bi and I know one of them is also against the LGBTQ identity movements as well. Shocker I know but hey that's how the world works: in a series of grays.
You keep saying "LGBTQ identity movements". What exactly is that?
 
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You keep saying "LGBTQ identity movements". What exactly is that?
By definition the LGBTQ community is an identity movement largely on the bases of sexual identity. You're quite the summer child if you didn't knew that.
 
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I love how all these articles about Kiwifarms ignore that the site had huge sections dedicated to America First, IP2, Ethan Ralph and various figures on the right like the site was specifically dedicated to making fun of trans and gay people.

Like bro, I posted there 3-4 times a week at times and didn't do anything but talk about a couple TV shows and make fun of the meltdowns of noted white trash anti-LGBTQ right wing political commentator Ethan Ralph. I didn't even know who the fuck Keffals was until like a week ago.

Do I agree trying to comb through someone's Internet history to find every available morsel about them and compiling it into a thread is kind of pathetic? Yes

That doesn't mean people don't overshare stuff and have complete and total public meltdowns on the Internet and it's not hilarious.

Would anyone who is vehemently anti-Kiwifarms care to explain logically how what was happening on Kiwifarms is different than the Twitter mob tracking people down and getting them fired after they express vaguely homophobic or racist sentiments on social media? Remember when that video came of of those Covington kids in Washington, a bunch of people fervently went to work around the clock to try and publicly post the identities of all the kids and their parents and then it turned out the clip was taken completely out of context? Remember when that guy made a meme where Donald Trump beat up the CNN logo and CNN, a national news organization, threatened to publicly dox him? While I think making fun of absurd statements, videos and images people put out there is fair game, I am not OK with doxing people's addresses, phone numbers and trying to ruin people's lives. A small number of users on Kiwi Farms did do that to some individuals, and I disagree with it. However, to act as though that kind of behaviour was unique to Kiwi Farms and not part of a greater societal issue where people literally try to destroy other people's lives over online political disagreements and other assorted slapfights is extremely disingenuous. There are organized threads on sites like >redditcostanzayeahrightsmirk and Twitter attempting to do the same thing all the time.

Look here for example. This is from a leftist online outlet here in Canada. The person who runs this particular outfit collected all the information he could find on a notorious local Twitter troll, and used it to write a long-form article dox him and his business. Is this any different than what Kiwifarms is accused of doing? I think it is fair to say the guy being doxxed in the article said some pretty reprehensible things, but I think the same is true of many Kiwifarms targets. What makes Kiwifarms a unique and special case? Why is it wrong when a Kiwifarms user collects a bunch of data on a morally questionable individual and publishes it, but the link I posted is OK and was actively shared on social media locally without anyone batting an eye?
 
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Would anyone who a vehemently anti-Kiwi Farms care to explain logically how what was happening on Kiwifarms is different than the Twitter mob tracking people down and getting them fired after they express vaguely homophobic or racist sentiments on social media?

You expect reason and logic, but as Michaellaneous's meltdown ought to have demonstrated, the significant active portion of anti-kf sentiment is tribalism. There's people on both sides, that are pro AND against, that have expressed their views in this thread, that are simply "tepid" on the whole question: "Kw is kind of icky, and i don't like it, and i don't particularly care that they are gone". And then there's a handful of activists, that are in it for tribal and ideological reasons, and when pushed they get reduced to "you're an anti-trans nazi scum you should die". They will only use logic and reason as far as it advances their agenda, but they will also appeal to emotion, by using lots of weaponized trigger words. The problem for them is that outsiders eventually can see through their behavior and their strategies, and that's when the silencing starts, something they can't do on alternative platforms.

This thread started with the revelation that keffals is a pedophile, who targets at risk children. That point got derailed into discussing vague relative merits: twitter/>redditcostanzayeahrightsmirk vs kf, kf's genuinely diverse community, kf as a safe place for neurodivergent, kf's own policies, etc. But even these points don't matter, because among the many public personae kf makes fun of there's a handful of trans lolcows and that reason enough for its destruction.
 
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Kiwifarms is back on the clearnet apparently with a domain registered with a Chinese company and a CDN based in Washington (run by a guy known for providing service to controversial websites apparently).
That's a big nope from me. Talking about Star Trek on a site where I won't be banned for a nono word is not worth handing my info to the CCP.
 
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