Childhood adultification and the future of society

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I know when I was in school other students liked the computers but I hated them. They seem like they cause more problems than they fix. There wasn't a backup plan for if the computers weren't an option when I was in school so if the internet went out you were just fucked and didn't do anything until it came back on.
Wow you would be a complete outcast nowadays. Students LOVE it when the internet goes down because it means they don't have to do any work in most of their classes.
I'd also like your opinion on something else. When I was in school the rules were prioritized in a very strange way. Kids could get away with a lot of things like fighting, drugs, cheating, and similar things, but if you used the restroom without a pass or walked the wrong way down a hallway you'd be in big trouble. I myself got escorted by the school security to the office and got chewed out for going to the bathroom (with teacher permission) but without a pass because I was about to shit myself. Yet a kid sold bad pills that killed 28 people and raped a girl and prom was free of consequences at school now obviously the law got him, but the school pretended it didn't happen. Are you seeing anything like that at your school? My school might have been an anomaly, who knows
Thankfully my school doesn't have any of those problems but, you see those problems a lot with schools in the bad parts of cities. Personally I don't think the administration cracks down on it because they're in on it. This could being payed off by whoever supplies the kid drugs, or even getting their drugs from the kid. The paid off administration then cracks down on everything else to have the illusion that they don't allow illegal behavior at the school. At least that's my theory, could be something different, as I don't have personal experience with this.
 
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So then there's the internet. It's the first thing kids turn to when there not talking to someone. Wether it be on their computers, phones, or TV's, kids can access it everywhere, and it's addicting properties can rob them from valuable time for social interaction, instead spending their time browsing Instagram and watching tik toks. Tik Toks and other video platforms (YouTube in particular) give them the unreasonable expectation that they can just say whatever they want, and that people have to listen. This is because the vast majority of videos are monologues with a single voice droning on and on about any sort of topic.
This reminds me a lot of something I've experienced myself - of how the internet 'raised' me. I feel like it's had a significantly bigger impact than my parents had in my later teens than my parents, school, peers, etc. Although this is not because of instagram, or other superficial social media. More so the exposure to ideas + online friends.

Anyway, this conversation has been great CahCaw, feel free to ask more questions.
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I'll never turn down the opportunity to ask another question - so here's a fun one.
You've been teaching for some years now (I assume, right?). So, my question is, do you feel like there is a 'shift' happening? As in, are you noticing a trend in the way kids are behaving compared to when you began teaching? If so, what this shift, and do you feel like you can infer what the future shift will look like?
 
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there are(?) two types of people

those who take American psycho-types people like their personal bible (AP, Tate guy, Taxi man, Rayn Gosling memes) , literally
then those who are the opposite - afraid to do anything, they had to walk on eggshells to dont offend anyone
Are you basing this on online info, or real-life experiences? Sounds a bit far fetched to me, although could also just be an American thing lol
 
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Are you basing this on online info, or real-life experiences? Sounds a bit far fetched to me, although could also just be an American thing lol
yeah could be. or they just do it and (not) know - if they mean it, or just pretend - like, when there is many dudes (for example discord) or sports, they are somewhat "gay" iykwim
meme, reality, or both at once - they dont know who mean it, who dont - like 4chan stories, you see
 
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I graduated back in June. I very much so was an outcast. None of the groups really liked me and when I tried to date guys would get real mad that I'd text or call instead of using some social media app to communicate. The big this was my unwillingness to get involved in any sort of clique. All the people in cliques have already fucked up their life in some way. God dating was so hard. Teenagers suck so much. They either want to be attached at the hip or barely talk to you.
I remember hearing somewhere that your attachment style is very much dependent on the way you were raised:
clingy in relations -> you had to walk on eggshells in order to get love from your parents
distant in relations -> your parents were distant to you
secure in relations -> you had a good childhood where your parents respected your boundaries

Well, and as previously stated in the thread, that parenting in the 21st century is f-f-f-fucked, it supports the results you are stating.
 
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This issue is a product of our west cultute. Of course this lifestyle has many pros but also a lot of cons.
Pleasures and entertainment should be used to give you strength and motivation in order to continue your hard work in your cause/dreams/projects/GRIND etc. I think this usage of comfort is good, But living only for comforts and pleasures will turn you into a sloth and depressed cuck. The sources that gives you this world, you can take advantage of them and create yourself into a successful individual. Its nice eating this donut but if only youll run 10km tomorrow, have sex but also try celibate at least 7 days. Partying is nice but now keep the half of the $€ you spent last time. Its nice playing world of warcraft or league of legends but spend also time in your dreams or entertain yourself this time with a nice book, its not bad livsissng with your parents(balkans survived this way) but dont be your parents baby, work and provide for the family. ALL IN MODERATION is the message.
 
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all great talks
i dont want to generalize, but i will

there are(?) two types of people

those who take American psycho-types people like their personal bible (AP, Tate guy, Taxi man, Rayn Gosling memes) , literally
then those who are the opposite - afraid to do anything, they had to walk on eggshells to dont offend anyone

is this right versus left? authoritative versus liberal?

did you also noticed that, or is it just meme, is it something i just want to see, what i see because it is simplier than complex reality?
does these memes, stereotypes been visible to you, also? (bateman vs sad-possum-edgy-skeleton-honest -posting)
I don't know if its black and white like that. I think there are people who continue to be truth seekers and realising the old stereotype of "right wing ppl are ignorant" and "left wing / liberal people are always more enlightened, more aware, have better solutions" are really outdated.

I'm seeing huge amounts of authoritarian ignorance from the left, and alot of genuine truth seekers who want what is good for society on the right these days too.

What we're also seeing is a huge concerted effort to shove liberal propaganda down everyone's throat from the moment they enter school.

Thats why you get these Tate guy followers, its some kind of overreaction to the other side's stuff.
 
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its some kind of overreaction to the other side's stuff.
i see.
the American Left to me, what i seen, looks like ... arent they what they ever fought against?
werent there "shift"/swap in like 2012 or so? - L and R swapped their stances on issues. (the example in meme was anti-vaxx)
(seen meme about this, but cant find t then)
 
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But living only for comforts and pleasures will turn you into a sloth and depressed cuck.
ironic:
Shinji Ikari:
No one can justify their existence by linking their happiest moments into a kind of rosary. In particular, I cannot.
 
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>19 yo kids talking about adulthood
lmao
 
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Okay, now that that's out of the way.

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What's that? Pre-60's, roughly half of adults age 18-29 lived with their parents? Musta been something wrong with those pre WW2 adults. Probably because pre-WW2 adults were too busy playing with toys like... Jet skis, motorcycles, unnecessarily powerful cars, colour televisions, film cameras, going to discotheques and theatres...
Oh, actually, it was just that pre-WW2 generational living was extremely common because of small communities and difficult economic situations, which are still extremely common across most economically struggling cultures. It wasn't until the industrial boom of WW2 in the US that we were so flooded with toys and goods... for people of all ages. Adults have been buying excess and ridiculous amounts of novelty goods and toys since at least the 60's, which was one of the few times where the US budget has been in the positive. Beginning with this new way a living, a sharp economic spiral can be seen starting with, quite literally, the boomers. (https://usafacts.org/state-of-the-union/economy/)

Now, its interesting that you couple Sam Vaknin's idea of "child adultification", or Precocious Adulthood Syndrome, as not only does Sam's purported outcome go against the typical assessment of outcomes created by an emotionally incestuous relationship, Sam also commonly mentions that another outcome of PrAs is one that does coincide with the typically assessed outcomes of emotionally incestuous relationships. That being, compensatory infantalism (Peter Pan Syndrom, a.k.a. Failure to Launch) versus the early onset of maturation coupled with an uptake of narcissistic and asocial traits. Essentially, Sam says that when children experience adultification they may act like children later on to compensate, but they might also take on more responsibility than they should as they feel the need to people please.
Well, that's not a very definitive answer. Typically I would say that such puts you on the right course, but as Sam, a clinically diagnosed narcissist, has a history of claiming that they were the most prominent figure in developing terminology and therapy strategies in the field of narcissist personality disorder research, its strange that he takes such a lukewarm approach to child adultification.

Perhaps it is because child adultification was already a field present before Sam began his work in such. The term generally refers to an improper biasing of adult like characteristics onto a child; e.g. assuming that when a child makes a mistake, such as a social taboo, they should know better, as an adult does, and thus punish a child based an a metric unsuitable for their experience and mental maturity. This, typically, can lead to outcomes such as ODD (oppositional defiant disorder). More often than not, adultification of children has less to do with maturation and more to do with deviancy disorders and crime statistics.

So, its difficult to see how we can correlate any of these data sets into a "modern emergence" in any facet. Realistically, this is the late-stage effect of what has been in motion since the post-boom industry of WW2. A settling goods-based economic bubble in a massively wealthy time of emerging industry has led to disillusion about how society, as a whole, functions. Those who are alive no longer know what a pre-WW2 society and economy looks like, thus it seems like a downward trending economy and a dissolving society, when, in reality, things are more like the pre-WW2 world now than they ever were. Current generations attempt to push back against this disillusionment by recklessly partaking in the same goods that ever generation has, in an attempt to stave off the regression to a more normative way of existing. Much as a drunk or a gambler do when they're on their last leg and have nothing left to lose, they throw more than they have into the final pot in hopes of disillusioning themselves into believing that things will stay they way they are forever, in light of accepting failure and working around their circumstances.
 
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In modern degenerate society a number of worrying trends have emerged. One of these trends is the rise of the adult child. Among people under the age of 35 roughly half still live with their parents.
Adults still living with their parents have been a thing for a long time all over the world. It's only Jewish Americans (and retards that mimic any retarded shit that Americans do) that try shaming them so they will buy new homes or renting new apartments, therefore spending more money, therefore making rich people richer. Also they try shaming people who still live with their parents so they will break the family bonds that are considered a threat to globalists that want citizens to treat government as their daddies.

Besides many people that work and have a career still live with their parents and contribute to the family like helping their parents with the home's expenses (especially now with economic crisis thanks to greedy globalists).

If anything, society has gotten worse because of shit like kids living with single moms (and I don't talk about widows but about divorced mothers, fathers running away the moment they learn that they left a woman pregnant etc). For example the majority of school shooters come from single mothers families and the majority of minors being molested to start living as trannies are from single mothers families.

Not to mention that even when young adults "live at their own", they still get money help from their parents (even if said young adults have a good job but can't handle daily expenses properly) and they always call their parents all the time to babysit their kids so they can continue the lifestyle they used to have before marrying like going to night clubs.
 
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i see.
the American Left to me, what i seen, looks like ... arent they what they ever fought against?
werent there "shift"/swap in like 2012 or so? - L and R swapped their stances on issues. (the example in meme was anti-vaxx)
(seen meme about this, but cant find t then)
100% the left has become everything they fought against in the past.

I can't put my finger on exactly when this started happening but it became really noticeable during the mid 2010s.
 
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Adults still living with their parents have been a thing for a long time all over the world. It's only Jewish Americans (and retards that mimic any retarded shit that Americans do) that try shaming them so they will buy new homes or renting new apartments, therefore spending more money, therefore making rich people richer. Also they try shaming people who still live with their parents so they will break the family bonds that are considered a threat to globalists that want citizens to treat government as their daddies.

Besides many people that work and have a career still live with their parents and contribute to the family like helping their parents with the home's expenses (especially now with economic crisis thanks to greedy globalists).

If anything, society has gotten worse because of shit like kids living with single moms (and I don't talk about widows but about divorced mothers, fathers running away the moment they learn that they left a woman pregnant etc). For example the majority of school shooters come from single mothers families and the majority of minors being molested to start living as trannies are from single mothers families.

Not to mention that even when young adults "live at their own", they still get money help from their parents (even if said young adults have a good job but can't handle daily expenses properly) and they always call their parents all the time to babysit their kids so they can continue the lifestyle they used to have before marrying like going to night clubs.
Yeah I think in alot of cultures inter-generational living is not seen as a problem.

Its just one statistic among many when we're considering whether there's an issue of adults not growing up.

In the past people were staying with their parents but they also adopted many responsibilities for the family, and worked towards getting married and were generally expected to then start a new home at that point.

I don't know if there is any one statistic we can point to which tells us the full picture of what is going on, but definitely we should also be looking at marriage and birth rates too.
 
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Adults still living with their parents have been a thing for a long time all over the world. It's only Jewish Americans (and retards that mimic any retarded shit that Americans do) that try shaming them so they will buy new homes or renting new apartments, therefore spending more money, therefore making rich people richer. Also they try shaming people who still live with their parents so they will break the family bonds that are considered a threat to globalists that want citizens to treat government as their daddies.

Besides many people that work and have a career still live with their parents and contribute to the family like helping their parents with the home's expenses (especially now with economic crisis thanks to greedy globalists).

If anything, society has gotten worse because of shit like kids living with single moms (and I don't talk about widows but about divorced mothers, fathers running away the moment they learn that they left a woman pregnant etc). For example the majority of school shooters come from single mothers families and the majority of minors being molested to start living as trannies are from single mothers families.

Not to mention that even when young adults "live at their own", they still get money help from their parents (even if said young adults have a good job but can't handle daily expenses properly) and they always call their parents all the time to babysit their kids so they can continue the lifestyle they used to have before marrying like going to night clubs.
What you say about intergenerational living not being an issue is partially true. What used to happen was that once a couple had children they would usually build a new home. The problem is overcrowding. I could never have a child in my current home. That being said people typically didn't live far from their parents or extended family. The point I was making related to people's willingness to have children.

And yes, having grown up in one I know that single parent households are tough. However I am presenting various theories as to why we have gotten this way and one I present is related to how we're forcing children into developmentally inappropriate roles. See Japan for further evidence of this.
 
What you say about intergenerational living not being an issue is partially true. What used to happen was that once a couple had children they would usually build a new home. The problem is overcrowding. I could never have a child in my current home. That being said people typically didn't live far from their parents or extended family. The point I was making related to people's willingness to have children.

And yes, having grown up in one I know that single parent households are tough. However I am presenting various theories as to why we have gotten this way and one I present is related to how we're forcing children into developmentally inappropriate roles. See Japan for further evidence of this.
Hmm how small is your home if you don't mind me asking? In the 60s in places like Singapore an old fashioned large home would house a nuclear family per bedroom (with a big shared kitchen, shared bathroom, etc).

Our standard for what is "good enough" has raised considerably. I think a philosophical / mentality shift would be heealthy for the current generation.
 
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Hmm how small is your home if you don't mind me asking? In the 60s in places like Singapore an old fashioned large home would house a nuclear family per bedroom (with a big shared kitchen, shared bathroom, etc).

Our standard for what is "good enough" has raised considerably. I think a philosophical / mentality shift would be heealthy for the current generation.
I live in the UK. What I have is probably no bigger than 60 square metres if not less. We have three bedrooms of varying sizes which can just barely fit two people in each with only one possible in the third bedroom.
 

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Okay, now that that's out of the way.

ft_2020.09.04_livingwithparents_02.png

What's that? Pre-60's, roughly half of adults age 18-29 lived with their parents? Musta been something wrong with those pre WW2 adults. Probably because pre-WW2 adults were too busy playing with toys like... Jet skis, motorcycles, unnecessarily powerful cars, colour televisions, film cameras, going to discotheques and theatres...
Oh, actually, it was just that pre-WW2 generational living was extremely common because of small communities and difficult economic situations, which are still extremely common across most economically struggling cultures. It wasn't until the industrial boom of WW2 in the US that we were so flooded with toys and goods... for people of all ages. Adults have been buying excess and ridiculous amounts of novelty goods and toys since at least the 60's, which was one of the few times where the US budget has been in the positive. Beginning with this new way a living, a sharp economic spiral can be seen starting with, quite literally, the boomers. (https://usafacts.org/state-of-the-union/economy/)

Now, its interesting that you couple Sam Vaknin's idea of "child adultification", or Precocious Adulthood Syndrome, as not only does Sam's purported outcome go against the typical assessment of outcomes created by an emotionally incestuous relationship, Sam also commonly mentions that another outcome of PrAs is one that does coincide with the typically assessed outcomes of emotionally incestuous relationships. That being, compensatory infantalism (Peter Pan Syndrom, a.k.a. Failure to Launch) versus the early onset of maturation coupled with an uptake of narcissistic and asocial traits. Essentially, Sam says that when children experience adultification they may act like children later on to compensate, but they might also take on more responsibility than they should as they feel the need to people please.
Well, that's not a very definitive answer. Typically I would say that such puts you on the right course, but as Sam, a clinically diagnosed narcissist, has a history of claiming that they were the most prominent figure in developing terminology and therapy strategies in the field of narcissist personality disorder research, its strange that he takes such a lukewarm approach to child adultification.

Perhaps it is because child adultification was already a field present before Sam began his work in such. The term generally refers to an improper biasing of adult like characteristics onto a child; e.g. assuming that when a child makes a mistake, such as a social taboo, they should know better, as an adult does, and thus punish a child based an a metric unsuitable for their experience and mental maturity. This, typically, can lead to outcomes such as ODD (oppositional defiant disorder). More often than not, adultification of children has less to do with maturation and more to do with deviancy disorders and crime statistics.

So, its difficult to see how we can correlate any of these data sets into a "modern emergence" in any facet. Realistically, this is the late-stage effect of what has been in motion since the post-boom industry of WW2. A settling goods-based economic bubble in a massively wealthy time of emerging industry has led to disillusion about how society, as a whole, functions. Those who are alive no longer know what a pre-WW2 society and economy looks like, thus it seems like a downward trending economy and a dissolving society, when, in reality, things are more like the pre-WW2 world now than they ever were. Current generations attempt to push back against this disillusionment by recklessly partaking in the same goods that ever generation has, in an attempt to stave off the regression to a more normative way of existing. Much as a drunk or a gambler do when they're on their last leg and have nothing left to lose, they throw more than they have into the final pot in hopes of disillusioning themselves into believing that things will stay they way they are forever, in light of accepting failure and working around their circumstances.
100% agree, just on my phone rn so can't type that much.
 
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Where I leave, people are starting to work VERY early on. Until very recently, it was not uncommon to see 10 year old working until a new law made the minimum age to be 14.

IMO, working that early is kinda throwing your childhood/teenagehood in your trash. I am glad I never did this. Is this a thing in USA as well?