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  • BobbyTrivia:
    @aesthu that's what i mean, really. i say this a lot but, what draws a whole slew of people to vapor is nostalgia for their consumerism of the past. they aren't critiquing it, they aren't wishing it never happened, they aren't upset about it; they're nostalgic for it. they miss it.
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  • (Guest) Midnightmadness:
    Hmm, I see, and I know I have heard people dislike that categorizing quality too. Do you think changes in technology make outdated mediums basically fair means for vaporwave? For instance, could iPhone 4-based vaporwave make sense or is that still too soon.
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  • (Guest) Midnightmadness:
    Or I guess Far Side Virtual is kind of like what I said
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    that's gunna change from person to person. there's an argument thread on here with a few people legitimately arguing that "if there's anime in it, it's not vaporwave." i think they're wrong, but they would probably say something "as new" as the iphone 4 doesn't qualify as vapor
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    https://forum.agoraroad.com/index.php?threads/fuck-aesthetic.3121/ give the thread a read if you'd like. you may get something out of it
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    you'll have to translate vaporwavemaster1's responses just fyi
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    if you see my post comparing vaporwave to industrial, i think that summarizes my thoughts about how to define vaporwave
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  • IlluminatiPirate:
    Lol and there is some shit throwing in that thread too :kekCaught:
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  • (Guest) aesthu:
    good thread on the topic
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  • (Guest) Midnightmadness:
    @BobbyTrivia Hm, yeah that makes sense. There's something beautiful I think about capturing that nostalgia for consumerism and then also those criticizing it within vaporwave. It's capturing this full spectrum of reflections on the rapid changes in society today I think.
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  • (Guest) Midnightmadness:
    Late response to the original post but still
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    yeah i mean
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  • IlluminatiPirate:
    I liked the anonymity with it, and the piracy angle it had
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    with industrial, Ministry is very openly on one side of the political spectrum, and then you have bands like Funker Vogt that create "openly fascist" industrial. it's hard to say, are the members actually fascist? i think a better question is, does it matter? in any case, both sound totally different from eachother, and showcase a polar-opposite side of the political spectrum, but they're still both "real industrial." i suppose i view vaporwave in the same light
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  • (Guest) aesthu:
    yeah and i would add that i think the process of creating art really doesn't work if you impose a specific political viewpoint to a medium. Like folk music is often connected with far left anti-war etc etc, but it's a genre where you can express all kinds of things from complex political commentary to some pretty basic human emotions. I think that's important, to have that freedom
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    for sure
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  • (Guest) aesthu:
    getting late over here in the UK, great to meet y'all, i'll be back soon for sure :)
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    hmm is there any german vaporwave
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    see ya'!
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    come sign up X:
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  • (Guest) Midnightmadness:
    That makes sense. So I guess followup, do you think that vaporwave is the punk or metal of our current moment? Also is this a fair question? Maybe I'm not giving metal enough credit as a current form.
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  • (Guest) Midnightmadness:
    See ya asthu!
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    you know, to an extent it is imo
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    when i first saw the genre, i think it was "garage electronic," it was a super-fitting name 'cuz we all know about garage bands and friends just getting together and jamming
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    BobbyTrivia: when i first saw the genre, i think it was "garage electronic," it was a super-fitting name 'cuz...