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  • BobbyTrivia:
    yeah i mean
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  • IlluminatiPirate:
    I liked the anonymity with it, and the piracy angle it had
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    with industrial, Ministry is very openly on one side of the political spectrum, and then you have bands like Funker Vogt that create "openly fascist" industrial. it's hard to say, are the members actually fascist? i think a better question is, does it matter? in any case, both sound totally different from eachother, and showcase a polar-opposite side of the political spectrum, but they're still both "real industrial." i suppose i view vaporwave in the same light
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  • (Guest) aesthu:
    yeah and i would add that i think the process of creating art really doesn't work if you impose a specific political viewpoint to a medium. Like folk music is often connected with far left anti-war etc etc, but it's a genre where you can express all kinds of things from complex political commentary to some pretty basic human emotions. I think that's important, to have that freedom
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    for sure
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  • (Guest) aesthu:
    getting late over here in the UK, great to meet y'all, i'll be back soon for sure :)
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    hmm is there any german vaporwave
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    see ya'!
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    come sign up X:
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  • (Guest) Midnightmadness:
    That makes sense. So I guess followup, do you think that vaporwave is the punk or metal of our current moment? Also is this a fair question? Maybe I'm not giving metal enough credit as a current form.
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  • (Guest) Midnightmadness:
    See ya asthu!
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    you know, to an extent it is imo
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    when i first saw the genre, i think it was "garage electronic," it was a super-fitting name 'cuz we all know about garage bands and friends just getting together and jamming
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    with vapor, i mean you can remake the song Angel off basically the first vapor album, Eccojams, entirely with the free program Audacity
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    big swaths of people born 1985 and later can be described as either terminally online or just, much of their lives revolve around the use of their computer. it's only natural that guitar, drums, and even vocals end up being relegated to instruments that can either be emulated with a computer, or that they'll be replaced entirely by something new (ie: in vapor, it's synths and samples)
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    it probably isn't fair to ascribe the genre onto an entire generation though; not so many people keep up with vapor as they do with hip hop or more popular electronic acts
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  • (Guest) Midnightmadness:
    Right, but not everyone was into punk music back in the 1970s and 80s even. Do you think vaporwave is a kind of counter-cultural like punk was?
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    that's fair
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    in some ways it is for sure
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    socially and politically though... i mean, maybe i'm in a bubble, but i don't see any boundaries being pushed outside of ignoring copyright law (though many vaporwave acts have legitimate fair use arguments)
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  • (Guest) Midnightmadness:
    I read an article that argued it subverts the myths of the current moment by keeping the myths and feelings of the recent past alive. Don't worry this wasn't the Dummy magazine one either.
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  • (Guest) Midnightmadness:
    That societal beliefs and conceptions change, but vaporwave keeps the feelings of older ways discarded by the mainstream still somewhat tangible. The myths that say US or European countries told themselves in the 1980s, aren't exactly the same ones that exist today. Therefore, it holds some degree of human potential in it for different worlds being possible. I don't know if that connects at all to you?
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    that's an interesting perspective. i'd have to think about it more but, for instance tonight i was listening to some music i was really into over a decade ago; am i subverting modern myths just by choosing to listen to music i liked when i was younger? vapor is new music and is a new thing, even if it's referencing old stuff, ya' know? but i'm not sure how they're defining myths and feelings. i mean, i put on 2814 for the first time and i felt like, i've never heard anything like this before. first time i heard Floral Shoppe i felt like, whoa this is making be feel some stuff, music doesn't normally make me feel this type of way.
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    and i don't wanna be too negative to the perspective but like, i only recently started listening to Fleetwood Mac and i still haven't ever really listened to Diana Ross. so even though (some) vapor artists are recontextualizing a lot of this older media, it's still new to me both from it literally being a new song and new interpretation, but also because i had never heard the source material in the first place
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    for sure an interesting perspective though. it sounds like they're arguing that vaporwave is escapism in a way, but obviously a lot of people view any and all music as a form of escapism
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    BobbyTrivia: for sure an interesting perspective though. it sounds like they're arguing that vaporwave is...