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  • (Guest) aesthu:
    good thread on the topic
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  • (Guest) Midnightmadness:
    @BobbyTrivia Hm, yeah that makes sense. There's something beautiful I think about capturing that nostalgia for consumerism and then also those criticizing it within vaporwave. It's capturing this full spectrum of reflections on the rapid changes in society today I think.
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  • (Guest) Midnightmadness:
    Late response to the original post but still
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    yeah i mean
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  • IlluminatiPirate:
    I liked the anonymity with it, and the piracy angle it had
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    with industrial, Ministry is very openly on one side of the political spectrum, and then you have bands like Funker Vogt that create "openly fascist" industrial. it's hard to say, are the members actually fascist? i think a better question is, does it matter? in any case, both sound totally different from eachother, and showcase a polar-opposite side of the political spectrum, but they're still both "real industrial." i suppose i view vaporwave in the same light
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  • (Guest) aesthu:
    yeah and i would add that i think the process of creating art really doesn't work if you impose a specific political viewpoint to a medium. Like folk music is often connected with far left anti-war etc etc, but it's a genre where you can express all kinds of things from complex political commentary to some pretty basic human emotions. I think that's important, to have that freedom
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    for sure
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  • (Guest) aesthu:
    getting late over here in the UK, great to meet y'all, i'll be back soon for sure :)
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    hmm is there any german vaporwave
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    see ya'!
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    come sign up X:
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  • (Guest) Midnightmadness:
    That makes sense. So I guess followup, do you think that vaporwave is the punk or metal of our current moment? Also is this a fair question? Maybe I'm not giving metal enough credit as a current form.
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  • (Guest) Midnightmadness:
    See ya asthu!
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    you know, to an extent it is imo
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    when i first saw the genre, i think it was "garage electronic," it was a super-fitting name 'cuz we all know about garage bands and friends just getting together and jamming
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    with vapor, i mean you can remake the song Angel off basically the first vapor album, Eccojams, entirely with the free program Audacity
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    big swaths of people born 1985 and later can be described as either terminally online or just, much of their lives revolve around the use of their computer. it's only natural that guitar, drums, and even vocals end up being relegated to instruments that can either be emulated with a computer, or that they'll be replaced entirely by something new (ie: in vapor, it's synths and samples)
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    it probably isn't fair to ascribe the genre onto an entire generation though; not so many people keep up with vapor as they do with hip hop or more popular electronic acts
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  • (Guest) Midnightmadness:
    Right, but not everyone was into punk music back in the 1970s and 80s even. Do you think vaporwave is a kind of counter-cultural like punk was?
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    that's fair
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    in some ways it is for sure
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  • BobbyTrivia:
    socially and politically though... i mean, maybe i'm in a bubble, but i don't see any boundaries being pushed outside of ignoring copyright law (though many vaporwave acts have legitimate fair use arguments)
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  • (Guest) Midnightmadness:
    I read an article that argued it subverts the myths of the current moment by keeping the myths and feelings of the recent past alive. Don't worry this wasn't the Dummy magazine one either.
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    (Guest) Midnightmadness: I read an article that argued it subverts the myths of the current moment by keeping the myths...