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[TRXTR]

Do we really need all of this?

This stuff, I mean.

Unless you are a modern-day animist, all this stuff tends to make more trouble than it's all worth. Almost emergent, as a function of how much stuff gets tossed out instead of upcycled or repaired or donated to the needy. And there's not too much of a reason for us to keep making all of it, if in the end, it all ends up in Indian and African dumps, and for the latter turning entire towns and villages into toxic-swamps in the dead of the barren savannah.

And does the endless, clone army marchings of the birth-pangs of inanimate objects from their mostly unaware machine assembly mothers, does it make our lives any better? How simple the life, and the EROI of a hunter gatherer, in comparison. He basically just has to meet the needs of his own body, at most getting enough energy in a day for those unable to get it for themselves; a child or an elder, a son or a mother.

In the Great Metropolis, the interconnected tubes and blocks of mineral churning and spouting billowing gaseous mumblings and shoutings, a cabby barks after someone to watch where they are walking, in the nearish-future a robot is gunned down for being metal, we become less than just a caricature of a human being, becoming numbers to a program made to guess the economic undulations of a species of apes covered in woven plant matter and synthreads, as we beat our hands upon the control-wheel of a just-to-early-to-be-sentient automobile, we hope to drown out the irritable honking and vibrations of rush hour traffic to music we may or may not enjoy, but surely exposing our emotions through the melted-sand power windows through singing-along would alert the other humans stuck in traffic to our presence, and the ambiguity and 500-million-plus-layers of self-denigrating counter-intuitive rule-gerrymandering and legalese-pontificating un-counter-culture of the g-men agents that psychically and ontonumerologically grip and rip our planet's inter-species spirit gunk until we cannot even recognize our own ancestral lineages standing around us and the mother we suckle upon in the afterbirth, staring at her boob, concentric circles, then into her eyes, concentric circles, then onto her breast again, concentric circles, then back to her eyes, so warm, holding me forever, concentric circles that make me want to build the perfect city, the perfect society, the perfect civilization, and then the perfect planet, showing the stars and the spaces betwixt them that WE, WERE. GOOD.
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If we are, without a doubt, worthy of life, and a good life for all of us, then I don't think the way we are doing things is "just right" yet. We have alot of work to do. I think we all know that.

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I know my OP was a bit poetic, but I would love if this thread had some real discussion, datapulls and infomedia about what megacorps are and may be up to in the future, and how we can fucking best them, take them in hand to hand psyber-samurai combat, and make them learn how to work for the good of humanity, and for the good of the Earth, and for the good of the Solar System, Galaxy, and Universe. Unruly Goals of the Species Notwithstanding, We Gotta Lotta Shit TA DO!!!

 

[lain is here]

The wet dream of the megacorporations is to move as much as humanity as it can to a digital world like metaverse since this ensures absolute control and tyranny against all of humanity. This video portrays it quite well:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpkNESGZhbc&t=2s

 

[Chao Tse-Tung]

This capitalist-corporatist hellhole is really just the natural evolution of things, the end-state (or stepping stone to better things, if you believe Marx). Ever since the first hierarchy rose of some cavedude saying "yo I'm in charge and if you say otherwise I'll fucking kill you," and everything since then has just been more polite versions of some cavedude (or suited dude, or small group thereof) saying "do what I want or I'll kill you." We've now reached the point of politeness being "do what we want or you lose your livelihood and humanity and probably die in the streets."

I think what l@in said has some merit, though I admit I didn't watch the video, as it allows the move to a level of "do what we want or we can literally unplug you from 'reality' " which, given what they seem keen on doing to the environment, could very well be a sentence worse than death.

Overall, at this point, the populace of the nation's doing these things are all completely largely complacent, taking positions within the Overton Window, indulging in society and not even understanding the concept of AL alternative. The disillusioned ones who don't want to be complacent are likely disillusioned by the shitty conditions they have to work with, and doing anything about it would likely mean ending up homeless, and base human instinct isn't really to give up everything and revolt unless it feels that your life is in immediate danger, and they'll never let that happen. It's always gradual, until it's too late.

I guess I'd just say, we, collectively, as a species, over the past few thousand years have dug our hole, and now we have to lay in it. I'm always hopeful that something could change, but with the way shit is, I can only see it changing for the worse. Be it diving harder to the corporate control of life, or consumerism turning everyone into literally NPCs, or metaverses, or hard-right-wingers who kill over skin color and surnames taking power, I just can't see things getting much better, only continuing in its current state at absolute best.

 

[ignika98]

Megacorps will inevitably be forced to work for the good of humanity, or else they'll go on to destroy everything including themselves.

Although, I don't know if that outcome is actually inevitable given that megacorps are a very new issue. I think what's most likely to happen is that over the course of a few decades they'll either change their ways on their own (not likely lmao), or be broken up and destroyed once society at large gets sick of them.

It's easy to forget that megacorps are nothing without their customers, the same way a government is nothing without it's people. The difference is there's no fear in revolting against a megacorp since they can't punish you directly. All they can feasibly do is bar you from their services. But at the end of the day, the services they provide are luxuries. No matter how hard they try to make themselves seem essential, it's totally possible to live your life without them. And I think people are slowly starting to realize that. There's been a small but noticeable push recently towards people opting to use services provided by smaller scale businesses and individuals, rather than a megacorp's. Even if the latter is more convenient.

TLDR megacorps days are numbered. It's up to them whether they decide to adapt and be less shitty, or die out completely.

 

[footcut]

Megacorps will inevitably be forced to work for the good of humanity, or else they'll go on to destroy everything including themselves.

Although, I don't know if that outcome is actually inevitable given that megacorps are a very new issue. I think what's most likely to happen is that over the course of a few decades they'll either change their ways on their own (not likely lmao), or be broken up and destroyed once society at large gets sick of them.

It's easy to forget that megacorps are nothing without their customers, the same way a government is nothing without it's people. The difference is there's no fear in revolting against a megacorp since they can't punish you directly. All they can feasibly do is bar you from their services. But at the end of the day, the services they provide are luxuries. No matter how hard they try to make themselves seem essential, it's totally possible to live your life without them. And I think people are slowly starting to realize that. There's been a small but noticeable push recently towards people opting to use services provided by smaller scale businesses and individuals, rather than a megacorp's. Even if the latter is more convenient.

TLDR megacorps days are numbered. It's up to them whether they decide to adapt and be less shitty, or die out completely.

This is only accurate if there really is a free market, though.
If the corporation prevents individuals from choosing other services through any means, including but not limited to lobbying, unreasonable inconvenience, suppression of competition, being so pervasive you cannot escape it, etc, it is no longer a free market, and the leverage that allows the little ants to squash bully is gone. Bully gets to squash ants and burn as many as it wants until it loses its grip on power.
One may still have the power at the very least to leave society altogether to escape this power. That's fine for PowerCorp(TM)(R)(C); let the dissatisfied self-exile, where they will have no voice and no bearing on the hegemony. Let the satisfied/cowed/complacent golems continue to breed.

 

[ignika98]

This is only accurate if there really is a free market, though.
If the corporation prevents individuals from choosing other services through any means, including but not limited to lobbying, unreasonable inconvenience, suppression of competition, being so pervasive you cannot escape it, etc, it is no longer a free market, and the leverage that allows the little ants to squash bully is gone. Bully gets to squash ants and burn as many as it wants until it loses its grip on power.
One may still have the power at the very least to leave society altogether to escape this power. That's fine for PowerCorp(TM)(R)(C); let the dissatisfied self-exile, where they will have no voice and no bearing on the hegemony. Let the satisfied/cowed/complacent golems continue to breed.

I'd say that at the moment at least, there does seem to be some sort of free market left. Companies are trying extremely hard to lobby against right to repair, for example, but are losing that fight bit by bit.

The mindset that a company can stop catering to it's customers if it gets big enough, since a few dissatisfied people aren't gonna make a difference, has been the mindset that megacorps have operated on for the past decade at least. But it's a flawed one. It fails to consider the possibility of a large amount of people opting out, or at least choosing another service in tandem with the megacorp's. More people are aware now than ever before of the shitty nature of megacorps, and lots of them are taking steps to mitigate the use of their services. The arrogance of these companies will be their downfall soon enough.

 

[nagolbud]

This is only accurate if there really is a free market, though.
If the corporation prevents individuals from choosing other services through any means, including but not limited to lobbying, unreasonable inconvenience, suppression of competition, being so pervasive you cannot escape it, etc, it is no longer a free market, and the leverage that allows the little ants to squash bully is gone. Bully gets to squash ants and burn as many as it wants until it loses its grip on power.
One may still have the power at the very least to leave society altogether to escape this power. That's fine for PowerCorp(TM)(R)(C); let the dissatisfied self-exile, where they will have no voice and no bearing on the hegemony. Let the satisfied/cowed/complacent golems continue to breed.

Free market capitalism has never existed throughout history. Capitalism has merely been used as camouflage for corruption, control, and monopolies. The same can be said for republics. A real republic has never truly existed, even Rome was just a military fiefdom of the Vatican rusing as a republic to keep the peon normies happy. Germany was a socialist republic just like the USA is. All words in politics have no meaning when they are merely used to flog the normie brainwaves.

 

[Chao Tse-Tung]

Free market capitalism has never existed throughout history. Capitalism has merely been used as camouflage for corruption, control, and monopolies. The same can be said for republics. A real republic has never truly existed, even Rome was just a military fiefdom of the Vatican rusing as a republic to keep the peon normies happy. Germany was a socialist republic just like the USA is. All words in politics have no meaning when they are merely used to flog the normie brainwaves.

I hate when you make good points, nagolbud

 

[vale-aroma]

Capitalism is "the ultimate practice awaiting the ultimate practitioner". The function of an organism is to sublimate entropy through its movement. The unstoppable decay of physical matter passes through a chemical process - this is "life". There is no harmony, only a violent wresting of blood from stone, taking more than is produced. Time only flows in one direction - downhill. The human organism builds industrial machines like termites build mounds, physically adaptable and capable of increased intelligence, it performs the same violence inherent to all physical organisms on a grander scale. This is the Fall. Life condemned out of Eden to struggle on the ground, labor and fight for food, taking more than it can give - condemned to exist in a world of Death. Yes, everything is wasteful, unsustainable, and pointless. That's a summary of biology - not whatever name we give to the state of things now. Do you want to transcend? You won't find it like this. This is the law that leads to the failure of every utopia. Death takes the wheel and the revolution becomes the ruling class. You won't find any productive politics until you start with Death.

 

[bnuungus]

I was talking with a few people this past weekend sort of about this subject and I also came to the conclusion that a lot of franchised corporations' days are numbered. So many people I know are starting their own businesses and it made me realize that this whole labor shortage thing isn't that less people are working, it's just that a lot less people are working for franchised corporations like restaurants and retail stores (no I haven't looked at any numbers so this claim might be slightly wrong). No one wants to work for these companies because they either flat out lie when advertising what the pay is or require you to work there a certain number of years before getting decent pay while still acting like that their employees are the least important factor to the business. In a lot of cases this makes it so that to work there would actually be worse than collecting neetbux so why would anyone choose to work in an environment like that?

With more and more people starting their own businesses other people will gradually gravitate towards those small businesses in favor of the larger ones because there's a lot more of a personal relationship between employer and employee which is just a much better environment and much more fulfilling to work in. So as less and less people decide to work for a place like McDonalds the bigger companies will slowly die out and the economy will become much more localized due to everyone being forced to buy local. I think the only way that a big corp can survive is if they treat this period of time as an investment and cut down on corporate profits and make the business more pleasant to work at which in turn entices more people to work there and has the added benefit of making customers happier since the workers are happier and doing better work. But since no one seems willing to see this time period as an investment and instead just bitches and complains about how people won't be slaves for them I doubt a lot of big companies will survive and I hope and pray that that day will come.

 

[Deleted member 1930]

This thread is filled with much slep-think and status quo normie think

 

[Deleted member 1930]

I'd say that at the moment at least, there does seem to be some sort of free market left. Companies are trying extremely hard to lobby against right to repair, for example, but are losing that fight bit by bit.

The mindset that a company can stop catering to it's customers if it gets big enough, since a few dissatisfied people aren't gonna make a difference, has been the mindset that megacorps have operated on for the past decade at least. But it's a flawed one. It fails to consider the possibility of a large amount of people opting out, or at least choosing another service in tandem with the megacorp's. More people are aware now than ever before of the shitty nature of megacorps, and lots of them are taking steps to mitigate the use of their services. The arrogance of these companies will be their downfall soon enough.

Nah. The government protects them and people want to be slaves to mega corporations

as long as people demand mega corporations be their rulers and the government will enforce this, they're not going anywhere

if the government changes to a form more based on citizens and such, things could change, but as we saw with the political character assassination of Donald trump (and others to a lesser extent) people want this and will decimate any attempts to liberate citizens from slavery and decimate any attempts wanting to seperate corporations and government

At this point we aren't even allowed to vote or choose leaders who would try to fix things

 

[Yabba]

We live in a cyberpunk world, just without the neon.

 

[PizzaW0lf]

The wet dream of the megacorporations is to move as much as humanity as it can to a digital world like metaverse since this ensures absolute control and tyranny against all of humanity. This video portrays it quite well:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpkNESGZhbc&t=2s

The metaverse will be the cruelest regime in human history. It's just pure mental torture.

We should've shoved Mark Zuckerberg into the lockers while we still had the chance....

 

[LeVil_78]

We live in a cyberpunk world, just without the neon.

even the cool parts of the hell on earth welive in have to be cut down and destroyed

 

[manpaint]

The world was asunder.

As the elites digged into the depths of the world, they uncovered the abyss.

Within that abyss there was a monolith.

"At the end of the spiral of time, there is only death" it said.

The message was clear.

Only through eternity are we closest to utopia.

Seeking to propagate wisdom, they went back to the surface.

But the world was no more, only ashes remained.

- Ilcareth 126u

 

[Natalia Simp]

Although, I don't know if that outcome is actually inevitable given that megacorps are a very new issue.

Megacorporations are not new at all, The British East India Company was so powerful, it bought entire princedoms accross Africa and South Asia, and built and crewed a fleet of warships from scratch to protect their assets. The Royal Navy is a direct descendent of their fleet, the Crown decreed it to be under their control; the British Raj began as land holdings of the Company. There are similar entities in the Dutch, Sweden and Portugal city-states, and Venice.

The wet dream of the megacorporations is to move as much as humanity as it can to a digital world like metaverse since this ensures absolute control and tyranny against all of humanity.

Oh, they'd love it. I actually believe we're already there, CBDCs will cement the reality that we don't really own anything at all. When you get your wage, it'll now come with an expiry date. It'll be sold as an anti-corruption/anti-money-laundering feature to keep the NPCs in check.

Do we really need all of this?

Any new segment of the economy that was created post-2008 is largely useless. The 2008 recession is still going strong, the fed has been printing money to pretend that everything is just fine. Free money for the donor and investment class meant that there wasn't any real risk to investing, and nepotism led to useless tash getting advertised as essential; NPCs love advertisements.

The OpenSSL developer story is a large indication of this problem. OpenSSL is large part of the backbone of digital trust we rely on in the internet: every single company on the planet, and every individual on the internet needs OpenSSL, usually for HTTPS. The lead developer was living in a trash dump of a house with leaky celings because nobody bothered to chip in. All those trillions of dollars in companies went to stockholders, directors, and none to the one individual who actually needs money.