4chan's Femboy Blackmail Cult

[Orlando Smooth]

FBI Warns About Extortion Schemes Targeting Boys

This article doesn't discuss 4chan or femboy blackmail specifically, instead describing it as "coercing minors into sending explicit photos of themselves," but it made me think of this thread nonetheless. Apparently it's more widespread than I had thought. From the article:

More than 7,000 reports of such plots have been made to law enforcement over the past year, the FBI said. There have been at least 3,000 victims, most of whom are boys, the agency said. More than a dozen of those victims have died by suicide, the FBI said.

I know, I know, don't trust glowie numbers. But even if it's only a quarter of that, that's still a lot of kids being targeted by this. Very fucked up.

 

[Xovi]

this is how that kid killed himself the one with the blue tarp. Some people want control, others are vulnerable. 4chan is where these people sadly have a chance to meet. I have a lot of vulnerable friends, and im a overthinker and a rather good manipulator; so I know what people would do with them if they let themselves be abused in such a manner. So I always told them do NOT go on 4chan boards that are /r9k/ /b/, and /lgbtq/. So this topic is near to me, because a lot of my online friends are quirky and LGBT+. These people are demented, sick, and freaks. I hate them, wholly, Its sickening, its disgusting, its demonic, I dont have any more adjectives but fuck.
Just the act of making someone cut themselves to write your name with the cut, what kind of fucking asshole does to that to people. What kind of sick control FREAK does that. WHY, I dont understand how some people are so fucked in the head. Im actually pissed off now lmfao.

 

[bnuungus]

this is how that kid killed himself the one with the blue tarp. Some people want control, others are vulnerable. 4chan is where these people sadly have a chance to meet. I have a lot of vulnerable friends, and im a overthinker and a rather good manipulator; so I know what people would do with them if they let themselves be abused in such a manner. So I always told them do NOT go on 4chan boards that are /r9k/ /b/, and /lgbtq/. So this topic is near to me, because a lot of my online friends are quirky and LGBT+. These people are demented, sick, and freaks. I hate them, wholly, Its sickening, its disgusting, its demonic, I dont have any more adjectives but fuck.
Just the act of making someone cut themselves to write your name with the cut, what kind of fucking asshole does to that to people. What kind of sick control FREAK does that. WHY, I dont understand how some people are so fucked in the head. Im actually pissed off now lmfao.

you said it yourself: it's demonic. the devil wants nothing more than to get us to hurt ourselves and others. misery doth love company

 

[capncrunch]

The worst thing about these stories is the way they repeat themselves again and again. There is no mechanism in place to stop it. This particular "cult" story is pretty isolated in scope, and I think most of the more damaging scenarios play out on much wider scales, but who can say.

I remember there being a widely publicized incident where a girl that posted a lot on r9k was murdered by another robot-- but what made that stand out to me and my friends was that we knew her. Only one of us knew her personally, but most of us weren't too many degrees away. She had a tumblr presence that I seem to remember devolving into drama before her r9k days, and one of my best friends at the time had spoken to her quite directly. It really took us aback, even though we weren't friends with her. Even though it wasn't someone that was well-liked on tumblr, or anywhere online, really, I feel like we recognized it as something that happened to an ordinary person-- someone that could've been one of us.

I think at least a few users here will also probably remember the tsuki/systemspace stuff which I think started during that era where, like, arisuchan still existed, etc. I think it was eventually confirmed that at least one person directly died as a result. That ended up being pretty well publicized too, in the news.

The list goes on and on.

To me, what's scarier than kids that are already in really bad places mentally putting themselves on boards and in communities filled with similarly unstable people is the way otherwise pretty normal kids get stuck on pol and on shit-ass YouTube or whatever, inhabit the same places, and still get radicalized. The mainstream media has long since caught on to the fact that this is happening, but it's rarely framed from the perspective of these kids and teenagers or how the internet tends to actually function, in general. It's all very victim-blamey and I've seen very little effort made to actually connect with the people that are vulnerable and attempt to understand what's going on from their perspective. I think tech corporations are maiiinly the ones responsible, but there are a lot of layers here.

Internet safety education for children has not generally evolved from the original "don't talk to strangers online and don't give out your address" that has been in place since the early 2000's, and I feel like that's a mistake. I hate to say it, but the internet everywhere underwent a very strong shift in the mid 2010's and my developing brain would've been a lot better off without all of the bullshit that was essentially inescapable back then. What was bad prior, got exponentially worse. (The technology changed too.)

Not directly related but nobody has really solved the problem of 4chan's complete anonymity on most boards coming with an inherent unknowing of the actual quantity of people posting, if regulars exist, if there are patterns between posters, etc. Like, grooming still happens when pseudonyms are involved obviously, but the lack of understanding of scale on 4chan provides an interesting and unfortunate second dynamic. I think moot said in his retirement stream or whatever that the og anonymous movement on /b/ was only really a few people posting in very large quantities, but it seemed like it was a huge social movement on the boards which is what got people to show up to events mostly through external channels.

 

[AnHero]

I watched that video and did a bit more reading up, and honestly I feel like the whole thing was just a complicated troll. I mean,

-There's the ass backwards logic of the blackmail, which makes me question if anyone could actually go thru with it. ('If those crossdressing pics reach my parents, I'm screwed-- so let me do HRT and start growing tits!)
-The fact that the kid who killed himself is not conclusively tied to the situation
-The fact that there are not really that many shots of any of the Discord channels. Maybe that's just how the video was edited, but methinks that most of it was totally mundane shit, with the trapposting being planned for screenshots, meaning the screenshotter had to really zero in.
-The Supervillain tier monologues. To me they come off as somebody phoning it in for the screenshot. Some of them are copypasta, I swear.
-The fact that they kept doing these monologues even when it should have become apparent that their Discord chats were compromised and people were investigating them
-The fact that Reiko was so willing to do an interview to clear things up, and then immediately after brag about lying the whole time on Discord, apparently still not realizing that his chats are compromised.
-The fact that after this video came out he decided to do an interview with the video-maker. I haven't seen that interview yet, but frankly it comes off as wanting to further bask in the glory

Yeah, I genuinely believe this guy just did all this to ensure some kind of Internet legacy. It takes advantage of the fact that people these days are prone to take shit online Very Seriously-especially shit coming out of 4chan. It takes advantage of the whole tranny craze and the whole 'everything is a movement' stuff that has been big in the zeitgeist for years now, meaning a lot of people are apt to believe that someone is willing to do all this bullshit to start some minor revolution and score femboys. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't even like femboys and is just doing it for lolz

Not to mention there are people who claim to know this Reiko guy, and indeed confirm it's a joke. Like below. Though I suppose you can't confirm their accuracy. There are also a few people who claim to know people who got wrapped up in it--although I somewhat doubt those people's accuracy as well, since they're basically just confirming a story people already believe, thus haven't got any scrutiny on them.

 

[SaturnianWarlock]

i have an interesting story about a 4chan cult but it's unrelated to femboys. it's about e girls and pedophiles. i don't much want to give it it's own thread but i'll tell the story here if anyone is interested

I'm interested. Is it it to do with e-girls attempting to appeal to paedos?

 

[Orlando Smooth]

Porc liked some of my comments so I guess it's time to bump this old thread. Specifically:

It's all very victim-blamey and I've seen very little effort made to actually connect with the people that are vulnerable and attempt to understand what's going on from their perspective. I think tech corporations are maiiinly the ones responsible, but there are a lot of layers here.

Internet safety education for children has not generally evolved from the original "don't talk to strangers online and don't give out your address" that has been in place since the early 2000's

This is possibly the most interesting aspect of the thread to me: who is actually to blame and how can you prevent such things in the future?

I have no sympathy for tech companies and won't be a stan for them, but in situations like this I'm not even sure how to pin blame on them. First of all, I don't think anyone would generally consider 4chan to be a "tech company" in the way that Facebook, TikTok, or Google are. That's not a defense of 4chan either, but a recognition of the fact that they're playing by different rules than any startup or publicly traded company out of Silicon Valley.

As it relates to Discord, which is much more in line with the archetypical tech company, what can they do other than initiate some sort of snooping policy wherein they essentially wire tap every private server to listen for naughty things? And of course if they did do that, many people would leave for some other sort of service that doesn't snoop, so Discord is incentivized against doing so (or at least publicly admitting they do). I don't really know what big tech can do in the face of these hyper specific threats in the dark corners of the social internet. Which leaves us right back where we've always been, relying on personal responsibility amongst users and parents of young children. Even then though, as stated in the above quote, online safety protocol has barely evolved over the past 20 years. So even assuming you could get widespread adoption of these guidelines, they're outdated and only protect against the most blatantly obvious threats.

The questions becomes: What advice or rules would you give middle or high schooler to avoid these pitfalls? Is it possible to have edgy fun online without some percentage of kids from falling into these depths? Is there any level of healthy exposure, or is it all bad? And if it is all bad, how could you craft rules or legislation that prevent this behavior from festering in private chats (or similar non-indexable locations) without relying on tech companies or the government snooping on ALL private messages? These are the questions that seemingly need to be answered before any progress can be made, and to the best of my knowledge no one has ever put forth any such answers outside of total bans.

 

[Some_porcupine]

The questions becomes: What advice or rules would you give middle or high schooler to avoid these pitfalls? Is it possible to have edgy fun online without some percentage of kids from falling into these depths? Is there any level of healthy exposure, or is it all bad? And if it is all bad, how could you craft rules or legislation that prevent this behavior from festering in private chats (or similar non-indexable locations) without relying on tech companies or the government snooping on ALL private messages? These are the questions that seemingly need to be answered before any progress can be made, and to the best of my knowledge no one has ever put forth any such answers outside of total bans.

kid spaces. there used be ones, whatever happened to those?
it is because curiosity (killed the cat kid/its innocence)
like, maybe if you gotta have net, then if you got kids, they gotta lock up FAANGS spaces on it? or learn parents to lock it up? / it seems to boil up to parents ignoring needs of their kids that look for it elsewhere; but surely i dont say anything new, do i?
but we dont want gov in it because public is useless in this direction... sad

maybe iq test before enter?
or.... better... adults/parents responsibility classes with tricks and tips on these^ matters, self-gov groups... i guess there would be "bad apples" or those who want to their kids to "see it all", but most will want them to be safe i guess. pamplefts to "set your router", maybe? - or! fucking talk to your kid?
even if it dont want to, ask around, be interested! i know you might be tired, but once it will trust you and not throw you in with other "geezers", and not be "their friend"-type, but normal, then, - you can even chat with them, or add them there. and explain!
explain why! i know DEI-type wardorf and machiavelli type control tactics/schemes are bad, wrong, and do more harm than good - do it normal way!
what i mean is, talk! "why did andy told that? why you think...? i think..." try to find same interests!

idk just ideas, but i think myself they are trash and overspoken, even if id agree on them begrundgently... :/

what do you think? what am i missing?

 

[evenlymatched95]

What happened to imageboards, man.

 

[knowerofgnomes]

I'm interested. Is it it to do with e-girls attempting to appeal to paedos?

I'm assuming he's talking about those girls who post pictures of themselves on r9k. There's some weird discord they all gather, and I think a lot of them are underage. There was that one famous case of a 16 year old girl who overdosed on fentanyl or whatever who used to post there. /r9k/ really is terrible.

 

[Some_porcupine]

You've nailed it. 4chan's ever-evolving landscape is indeed a fascinating study in how ideas can shift from fringe to mainstream. The fluidity between mockery and genuine support is striking, and it's often hard to distinguish between the two.

Your point about the interplay between jokes and planned campaigns is spot on. It's a mix of both—organic growth and deliberate efforts. Determining the extent of external influence is a challenge, but it's clear that both elements contribute to the shifts we've witnessed.

The desire for clarity and transparency is understandable. Knowing the true origins and intentions behind these movements would offer valuable insight into how deeply ingrained certain ideologies have become. It's a complex web, and unraveling it would certainly be enlightening.

What are your thoughts on the potential impact of this transparency? Would it change how we perceive and engage with these ideas?

While it is sweet to see discussion want to go on, why
1/ you type like chatgpt
2/ and why are you like, a fed/glowie or sum?

 

[llillilll]

While it is sweet to see discussion want to go on, why
1/ you type like chatgpt
2/ and why are you like, a fed/glowie or sum?

you know shits fucked when porc says "you type like chatgpt"

 

[ĦĦĦ]

this reminds me of the 764 child extortion ring on telegram and on discord. the original creator of the 764 group was a 17 year old boy from Texas, on his file the police says that officers should be careful with him because he's dangerous or some shit like that. 764 is nowadays an umbrella term for these degenerate groups.

i think there were a few members of 764 who were members or were supportive of the Temple of Blood, an Order of the Nine Angels chapter operated by fbi informant Joshua Sutter. so fbi honeypots may even help and radicalize these people to do illegal shit. i don't think this would be out of the ordinary for US secret intelligence agencies to do because the US government also funded fascist groups in Italy and Turkey and in many other NATO member states under the name of "Operation Gladio" (this name only refers to the operation in Italy but now it's used as an umbrella term for this stay-behind opertaion, also it was operated by NATO but the US did help carry out this operation).

here are two videos talking about the 764 extortion ring and about Joshua Sutter, sadly the maker of the video hasn't linked any sources though you can see them shown through out the video

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJdoo33AnpU


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMfBZJ-HUxo

 

[Orlando Smooth]

so fbi honeypots may even help and radicalize these people

Truly, there is nothing new under the sun. Such honeypots contributed to January 6th, radicalization of domestic muslims during the GWOT, satanic/cult fears in the 90's, politically motivated terrorism and assassinations throughout the midcentury, and of course racial tensions of all flavors since the beureau's inception.

 

[nakadashi]

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[nakadashi]

What are your thoughts on people using social media, specifically -chan sites, to impact high-level societal change? The "wizard" from this recent video I watched is someone who seems to fulfill that role:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mME0NXRQHuc


I've personally noticed that some ideas that were heavily memed on 4chan in the late 2000s-early 2010s (such as the idea of 'femboys'/'traps'/'shemales') have transformed into true societal movements. It's especially strange to me since so much of it is fetishistic in nature. Besides the example of 'trans' becoming more mainstream, I would also argue that furries are a fetish-based example that has seemed to become more and more mainstream. It's an interesting conundrum for me: I don't inherently think these hobbies/fetishes are bad when practiced personally, but it's really hard to argue that some of these hobbies/fetishes are "good" for individuals who may not have encountered them otherwise. Additionally, I think with any 'idea' there is a group that forms behind it. It seems inevitable to me that these groups will have someone who has the mindset of "this ideology needs to be spread", resulting in groups like the ones in the YouTube video about this weird blackmailing cult.

I think you are giving way too much credit to the impact that 4chan can have. They could mobilize some people on their heyday but the public perception of them being hacktivists is pretty much unmerited. Nowadays most hackers would disclose their data dumps on >reddit or discord, or (more likely) specialized data breach forums, but I'm digressing.

As for the cultural impact they might have, IDK, I would rather attribute some of the influence they had on meatspace to meme-magic rather than some mastermind manipulating the scene from behind.