Agoracraft - Minecraft Beta 1.7.3 Server, Better than Adventure

[Mew]

okay, i created this map from pieced together photo mode screenshots. according to your testimony, i created a rough draft of what agoralink would look like. the image includes the road, my network, gravel roads, and a rough square of what agoralink could look like that definitely misses some key areas. how far off the agora road do you want AgoraLink to go vs. my direct lines? here is the image.

Here is the GIMP project file inside a zip, the password is
Ag0r4r04d123!
in case you want to make changes.

https://file.io/rnY0ZUBALUsY

 

[Shogun_Mosquito]

@Mew @ビンス - I can make an updated map tomorrow night, along with sitting down and giving an in-depth response and brainstorm on the rail system. For a quick answer, I think the system can be done, but it would have to follow some of the ideas Mew started with so they can merge if necessary. Perhaps I can even find a way to make an existing railway map too.

I've been pretty busy the past few weeks with work and travel, but it's slowing down now Should be able to start keeping up to date maps again!

 

[ビンス]

okay, i created this map from pieced together photo mode screenshots. according to your testimony, i created a rough draft of what agoralink would look like. the image includes the road, my network, gravel roads, and a rough square of what agoralink could look like that definitely misses some key areas. how far off the agora road do you want AgoraLink to go vs. my direct lines? here is the image.
[IMAGE]
Here is the GIMP project file inside a zip, the password is
Ag0r4r04d123!
in case you want to make changes.

https://file.io/rnY0ZUBALUsY

Great work! I'll reply with my own additions in a bit. In my head the point of AgoraLink is to go in a loop like you have to provide an overarching rapid transit alternative to walking along the road. To reach the inner parts not hit by AgoraLink, little root-like rails would come out to service these place, sort of like your rail system now. Anywhere that AgoraLink and one of these minor rail lines meet will be called a "Central Station" and these will be larger underground stations with more than one track to allow people to switch lines. Any station that's only on one rail line will be smaller and just be called a station.

As an example, I'm planning a large station near the embassy so that people who spawn can get anywhere on the island right away. This will be called Embassy Central Station.

 

[Shogun_Mosquito]

Okay! That took a ton of time O.o But it was worth it. I present the updated maps:

There's been a decent amount of progress since the last map, and there's some super fun builds! I'm a huge fan of the [x-3] base coming along, and I LOVE the updated spawn! I didn't know that block existed, but it is fucking gorgeous and fits the Agora theme perfectly.

For anyone with a [x-#] location, please feel free to claim/name it so I can add it in the next update! Or if I missed a specific location not marked, screenshot where or provide coordinates so I can add it!

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@ビンス @Mew

I think similar to Mew's draft, hitting the four major "corners" of the Agora road would be great. But after making the map, I also have a potential alternative solution that gets around the depth/mining/etc issues: what if AgoraLink was a monorail? It could then fairly easily follow the road without having to worry about depth limitations, and the underground rail-lines still remain unique in their use. I downside with this is it loses the subway vibe, but I believe that a similar feeling can be experienced by slowly upgrading the existing stations (or consolidating where necessary).

On another (semi-related note): I vote the term "AgoraLink" stays (especially if a monorail), and the other lines be titled "Mµ-Line" (a play on Mew's name mixed with the vapor aesthetic).

 

[Mew]

Okay! That took a ton of time O.o But it was worth it. I present the updated maps:
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There's been a decent amount of progress since the last map, and there's some super fun builds! I'm a huge fan of the [x-3] base coming along, and I LOVE the updated spawn! I didn't know that block existed, but it is fucking gorgeous and fits the Agora theme perfectly.

For anyone with a [x-#] location, please feel free to claim/name it so I can add it in the next update! Or if I missed a specific location not marked, screenshot where or provide coordinates so I can add it!

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@ビンス @Mew

I think similar to Mew's draft, hitting the four major "corners" of the Agora road would be great. But after making the map, I also have a potential alternative solution that gets around the depth/mining/etc issues: what if AgoraLink was a monorail? It could then fairly easily follow the road without having to worry about depth limitations, and the underground rail-lines still remain unique in their use. I downside with this is it loses the subway vibe, but I believe that a similar feeling can be experienced by slowly upgrading the existing stations (or consolidating where necessary).

On another (semi-related note): I vote the term "AgoraLink" stays (especially if a monorail), and the other lines be titled "Mµ-Line" (a play on Mew's name mixed with the vapor aesthetic).

wait a minute, "city mall"? that's my city hall, why is there another one?

in any case, wonderful work, far better than i ever could have done with photo mode. we should start putting together a table of coordinates that we want the road to meet at, and also some coordinates for stations. stuff like corners, central stations, personal stations for road adjacent residence, underground stations where mu lines branch from, etc.

also, the height. all my lines were supposed to be standardized at y125, and most are. i think that's good enough for most applications, as i only really had to go down for water. if we want to make it lower in order to be smoother, that's fine by me. in fact, we might have to because if we make agoralink 125 it would clash with some of my preexisting lines. what do you think?

 

[Shogun_Mosquito]

wait a minute, "city mall"? that's my city hall, why is there another one?

Whoops - I misread your sign. Totally thought it said "mall". I'll change that in my next update. Dropped off some goodies in the chests and added some name suggestions.

For the other "hall", maybe we can convert it to a temple or something? It's gorgeous, but Mew's right - there's already a city hall.

Re: Rails - The more I think on all this, the more I think AgoraLink being a monorail makes the most sense (and makes the process cheaper). Regardless, I made a draft of what I think would work well for consolidation and paths.

 

[ビンス]

First of all, thanks for all your hard work on the maps! They're super helpful and I know it's a pain.

For anyone with a [x-#] location, please feel free to claim/name it so I can add it in the next update! Or if I missed a specific location not marked, screenshot where or provide coordinates so I can add it!

[x-4] is the dock I made for my boats, it's not its own thing. I wanna make a yacht club attached to it at some point but not yet.

Re: Rails - The more I think on all this, the more I think AgoraLink being a monorail makes the most sense (and makes the process cheaper). Regardless, I made a draft of what I think would work well for consolidation and paths.

I get what you're saying, but I feel like a subway would be a more elegant solution, idk. Also I already started building a station attached to my basement (it's in almost the exact spot that you labeled "West Cove Station" so that worked out nicely).

I don't mind digging the tunnels or gathering the materials. Can you do me a favor though and give me the coords for each corner in your suggested loop? It'll help me make sure I'm following the plan.

 

[Shogun_Mosquito]

[x-4] is the dock I made for my boats

Sorry - not the dock, but there's a building in the side of the hill near that dock.

I get what you're saying, but I feel like a subway would be a more elegant solution, idk. Also I already started building a station attached to my basement (it's in almost the exact spot that you labeled "West Cove Station" so that worked out nicely).

I don't mind digging the tunnels or gathering the materials. Can you do me a favor though and give me the coords for each corner in your suggested loop? It'll help me make sure I'm following the plan.

Not a problem! Either way works However - if we're going underground, then that can remove two of the corners (not having to account for above-ground areas. It could also (theoretically) remove the diagonal between Cherry Hill and the Agoran Embassy.

Anyways, here's your (VERY ROUGH) coordinates. No harm if you find a place that might work better! Of course, you'll have to decide the Y level.

If you need me to help clear out space, feel free to let me know how big you need the tunnel, and where you have some of it started. I can just sit back and bore when I have the time.

 

[GENOSAD]

So, I tried to get on the server last week and it said that the server was down. I figured it was, so I came back a few days later. Still down. I came back today. Still down.

No idea what the problem could be; I tried updating it through the BTA Updater, thinking that I might have a version mismatch, but still nothing. Anyone else run into this problem?

 

[Shogun_Mosquito]

So, I tried to get on the server last week and it said that the server was down. I figured it was, so I came back a few days later. Still down. I came back today. Still down.

No idea what the problem could be; I tried updating it through the BTA Updater, thinking that I might have a version mismatch, but still nothing. Anyone else run into this problem?

Did you use port :25565?

 

[GENOSAD]

Did you use port :25565?

Yeah, next time I'll read the thread before asking questions lol.

 

[oldboy]

Couldn't log in for a while now. Life's got a little busy Hope to be back sometime soon and really liking the AgoraLink project! Should make navigation around the island much less of a Labyrinth!

 

[GENOSAD]

Just so you know, this "Joe Bidome" guy is currently greifing the server.

MOOOOOODS!!

 

[Shogun_Mosquito]

Well, that was a waste of time this evening. Thanks "Joe Bidome" (and kindly go fuck yourself with a rusty iron pitchfork). Essentally, most things wooden within the valley were damaged by fire.

So the downside with this modded server config: there's a lot of plugins (that we often take for granted) that simply don't exist. Yay.

On top of that, the automatic backups that were set up previously... weren't working well. Meaning the last full backup we have is over a week old. For whatever reason, they just quit backing up the full way.

So, I've implemented two solutions moving forward (and will be looking at other options as time goes on):

1. I've rented a new server from the same host, but this time managed specifically for minecraft instead of a VPS. With this, they will be automatically backing up everything as necessary (and I've paid a bit extra for full server backup history just in case). It also provides unlimited storage and I get a few webui features that may be helpful vs straight terminal.

The new IP is: 198.55.127.237:25599

2. The Agoran Server Overlords dropped off a support package in the valley to help with rebuilding anything lost (materials, can't replace words ). I spent some time trying to build some stuff, but I don't have enough time.

I am additionally considering implementing a username or IP whitelist. The problem with IP level is they can change depending on your internet host. A username level helps a decent degree but isn't perfect. The most extreme option is implementing a mandatory account, which helps a ton, but many people seem against it. Just in case I somehow remember all this wrong, MC is on sale right now.

Anyways, sorry about this disruption, and hopefully the changes made today helps mitigate future attempts. Unfortunately, there's always going to be some asshole out there.

 

[GLOCKLIT BUNTOTER]

1. I've rented a new server from the same host, but this time managed specifically for minecraft instead of a VPS. With this, they will be automatically backing up everything as necessary (and I've paid a bit extra for full server backup history just in case).

I think properly working backups will be enough of a safeguard, at least for now. If you will accept donos for server costs, I have no issue chipping in

I'll be hopping back on tomorrow to replant some trees and stuff (also want to finally fix my fugly ass lighthouse). This lil rebuild will be no sweat for us busy bees

 

[selfKaiHarness]

i can tell the entire forest behind the cliffside is fuckin' burned down. But luckily, i have some saplings that i put down just to restore what's left of the area. I believe we'll rebuild the forest given enough effort on replanting saplings in the area. I'm glad backups are just as important now, because without them we would be starting all over which it's unfortunate.

I'd say i've been thinking of building a big statue of Agora-chan to ward off any potential griefers in the server, kinda like a warning sign for those who would destroy something beautifully built.

 

[vulonkaaz]

So the downside with this modded server config: there's a lot of plugins (that we often take for granted) that simply don't exist. Yay.

There is a simple auth plugin https://github.com/Zaraz7/SimplifiedAuth

that plus username whitelist should be enough to secure the server i guess

 

[Shogun_Mosquito]

I think properly working backups will be enough of a safeguard, at least for now. If you will accept donos for server costs, I have no issue chipping in

I'll be hopping back on tomorrow to replant some trees and stuff (also want to finally fix my fugly ass lighthouse). This lil rebuild will be no sweat for us busy bees

I appreciate the offer! The server honestly costs about ~$13/mo, so it's not a big issue. But if you really want I can send you some form of details. You could also send that towards AgoraRoad itself - they have some cool mugs and stickers :D

i can tell the entire forest behind the cliffside is fuckin' burned down. But luckily, i have some saplings that i put down just to restore what's left of the area. I believe we'll rebuild the forest given enough effort on replanting saplings in the area. I'm glad backups are just as important now, because without them we would be starting all over which it's unfortunate.

I'd say i've been thinking of building a big statue of Agora-chan to ward off any potential griefers in the server, kinda like a warning sign for those who would destroy something beautifully built.

There are some spare saplings and bone meal in one of those emergency chests to help too! Feel free to use them!

There is a simple auth plugin https://github.com/Zaraz7/SimplifiedAuth

that plus username whitelist should be enough to secure the server i guess

This is one of the plugins that I was looking at! Also... one of the only auth-related plugins that exist for BTA. I will probably be going this route as I get more time to sort it all out and make sure it works as intended. (I miss CoreProtect...)

 

[ビンス]

I am additionally considering implementing a username or IP whitelist. The problem with IP level is they can change depending on your internet host. A username level helps a decent degree but isn't perfect. The most extreme option is implementing a mandatory account, which helps a ton, but many people seem against it. Just in case I somehow remember all this wrong, MC is on sale right now.

Given the server is cracked, couldn't a username whitelist be bypassed by just spoofing someone's username? I think an IP whitelist would work best.

 

[Shogun_Mosquito]

Given the server is cracked, couldn't a username whitelist be bypassed by just spoofing someone's username? I think an IP whitelist would work best.

Technically, yes. Problem with an IP level whitelist is some ISPs constantly rotate them. Theoretically, using both an username whitelist AND internal auth, it would still require a password only the real "Slim Shady" would know.