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Alex Jones AI Cover YT Channel and thoughts on AI Covers in general

With that interpretation from self proclaimed internet artist #2309842 and wagecuck programmer #32458; I would update it to "good artists copy, great artists steal, AI generates" because it is not copying to apply a technique, it is not stealing to make something inspired and new through its inspirations. It only generates through a set of rigid instructions
When I am "inspired" by gameboy games which came before, it is not just a remix of what I've witnessed, but a response and development of the conversation of design
- punp

alright, not gonna argue
found what we both can agree both, even than before, i was sceptical that there is no diff. between AI and brain, speaking of brain, capitalism copycat formula or "success formula"= copy-what-works.exe; but now i see - indeed, brain can copy or take inspiration - but npbpdy is "wired" the same, meaning that if you really put tears blood, sweat and creative insight (of lack of thereof), new things can be made, and not just soulless remixes w/o human insight...
 
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People in this thread acting like AI will be the death of creativity in film/TV when Hollywood has largely been creatively bankrupt for the last decade at least. If you get to the point where the average person/small scale team can generate movies that look like a big budget blockbuster and they start taking away business from Hollywood, the competition may whip Hollywood back into shape (maybe that's a pipe dream but still) imagine if someone could retroactively create the ideal sequel Star Wars trilogy using AI video generation, speech synthesis, etc. Yes, there's the ethical question of using deceased actors and blatant copyright infringement, but I could see the final product being a more creative output than what the humans at Disney churned out, as this technology evolves you're relinquishing large scale creative control from a large executive committee back to a small team of people.

As the technology progresses you'll be able to fine tune everything to your liking, even now we're getting there with tools like Photoshop's generative fill. You can be very hands on with tweaking AI outputs, it isn't as black and white as just 100% running with whatever default output your prompt gives you. In cases where you can't get the visual AI output just right you can still put in a little manual work to tweak it.

Most of the ill-will I see towards AI in this thread is misdirected frustration with human nature. You're blaming AI for the death of creativity and effort when for most people it's their initial lack of caring for these aspects that make slop movies and content farms so prominent/profitable. As of now AI could completely automatize YouTube video essays from script writing to even the video presenter themselves, sure there are a few people who stand out for their personalities and insight and they'll keep their niche, but you could replace 95% of the rest and I'd argue it'd make little difference in terms of the content's quality and the viewership numbers. Look at how popular those AI text to speech >redditcostanzayeahrightsmirk stories are on YouTube/TikTok (nevermind the stories themselves are usually fabrications to begin with) EVERYTHING is fake and gay, and to most it really doesn't matter, it's just about having something engaging to occupy the mind or reinforce a pre-existing bias. Most people simply want a pacifier, not something that challenges their preconceived notions.

All the major aspects of modern commodified society, from Hollywood, to YouTube, to even the stock market, is worshipping and chasing a machine learning algorithm as it is, the humanity in these productions was willingly removed by the participants well before the machines could physically do so as well.
 
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People in this thread acting like AI will be the death of creativity in film/TV...
Course they are, although it's not exclusive to here it's everywhere online. It's normal, I think anyone that has ever created anything has a thought like this clawing at the back of their head. It's fear, soulless automation reaching frontiers once thought unimaginable, plagiarizing the human soul itself. Luckily AI won't do jack shit, at least for anything that matters and in this form. It can't because it needs human content to learn and it's own AI content is pretty much poison for itself. It's ridiculous honestly that people think that this will kill anything, besides some jobs but jobs have been killed by automation for decades now so it's not really an argument, even if it is art.

People forget that like with every tool to create something truly special a person needs to be creative themselves as well, people can make all the AI covers they want and AI generate generic artwork that will impress the lowest common denominator normalfag or someone just looking for a short dopamine burst but that's something that has always happened but instead of AI it was cash grabs, generic realistic portrait art on instagram, corporate music or whatever you know it we all know it. This applies tenfold to shitposty internet content, instead of hearing a poorly spliced audacity cover of Alex Jones now you have an AI cover of Alex Jones. No one who can think a damn thinks that anything created by AI is art and those that do, don't they're just saying that to piss you off. This is quick content to be consumed not to be held to high regard and this arguably applies to everything AI generated thus far and in my opinion should be ignored. Definitely not something that you should be mad at. Unless you're looking at appeasing normies, in that case I'm sorry.

If someone creates something truly wonderful with the help of AI (and not just have something shat out by the AI and claim is theirs) should be applauded and helped to nurture that talent and actually get them some talented human resources, not whatever the fuck the internet has been doing for the past year or two. People sperging out at AI content and especially at random people shitposting with AI content won't do jack shit except make you look like you browsed twitter a bit too hard for a bit too long. The fact is that people are getting accustomed to AI and those that give a damn about art and culture and/or are creatives should work on protecting "the industry" and making sure that the humans (them) stay on top of the creative process for things that actually mean something instead of sperging out online.

And if you're still worried, just think: how much AI content do you consume regularly even with all the crazy advancements that the tech has went through. I'm guessing it's in the ballpark of none at all.
 
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Luckily AI won't do jack shit, at least for anything that matters and in this form.
well yes
even HAL got neurosis
but idk if it was just smarter calculator, or if it was thinking for itself
because if it can imitate human, then, can it also "be"? how precise you have to be, to smudge the line?
ideas^?
 
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People in this thread acting like AI will be the death of creativity in film/TV when Hollywood...
Incorrect. People in this thread acting like AI is destroying the last bastions of creativity and wringing the last amount of cash out of anything and everything. This has been happening for decades, and now the tools are in the hands of the general public who have such low expectations from their media that everything is amazing.

the average person/small scale team can generate movies that look like a big budget blockbuster and they start taking away business from Hollywood
This has been possible for literally decades since the invention of the camcorder. It happens on a small scale, but it doesn't catch popularity because it's not algorithmically produced. Your magic AI tools are never going to be able to convincingly remake starwars in the near future, and when they eventually can they will be so expensive the only people using them will be the people with the money anyway. AI is not some liberating force come to save you from poverty and the low hanging fruit of the media. It is literally the embodiment of exclusive money and refusing to hire talent.

As the technology progresses you'll be able to fine tune everything to your liking
According to who? The speculative investors of the latest thing? This has been promised since it first came out.

frustration with human nature
Yes. Made easier by tools that make proliferation of shitty practice a toddler's job.




People sperging out at AI content and especially at random people shitposting with AI content won't do jack shit
I agree with everything up until this point. See everything shitty excluded from most internet circles: CSAM, beastiality, NFTs, crypto, gore. The majority of these are repulsed by clan-like gate keeping long before laws got their claws into them.

how much AI content do you consume regularly even with all the crazy advancements that the tech has went through. I'm guessing it's in the ballpark of none at all.
I think you'd be surprised. Photoshop tools are a given, but also iphone photo sorting, the youtube algorithm, google's algorithm, half of google images, content sites are AI aglomerations, google's initial search result summary, youtube videos are algorithmically produced with AI to aid in writing scripts and making thumbnails. Our data passes through several scraping algorithms on behalf of major governments as it moves through the internet. We are not in the age of 'maybe' any more.

if you're still worried
I'm worried in the same way that Mike Judge and Etan Cohen were when they wrote idiocracy. I'm not concerned for my own income streams, and I'm not concerned for my own art or its appreciation, it's just the enshittification of my web, my community, my media and my art circles that I have to endure day in and day out, mixed with people infiltrating my communities and jerking themselves off.
 
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I agree with everything up until this point. See everything shitty excluded from most internet circles: CSAM, beastiality, NFTs, crypto, gore. The majority of these are repulsed by clan-like gate keeping long before laws got their claws into them.
Not sure that CSAM and crypto are equivalent sins but I get what you're saying.

I think you'd be surprised. Photoshop tools are a given, but also iphone photo sorting, the youtube algorithm, google's algorithm, half of google images, content sites are AI aglomerations, google's initial search result summary, youtube videos are algorithmically produced with AI to aid in writing scripts and making thumbnails. Our data passes through several scraping algorithms on behalf of major governments as it moves through the internet. We are not in the age of 'maybe' any more.
You aren't wrong, I was thinking more of content that is solely AI. Slop like that is plenty but I would bet most don't consume any of it. People are of course going to use AI wherever they can to help them pump out content and especially when there's money involved. No amount of scorn is going to halt profit seeking.

I'm worried in the same way that Mike Judge and Etan Cohen were when they wrote idiocracy. I'm not concerned for my own income streams, and I'm not concerned for my own art or its appreciation, it's just the enshittification of my web, my community, my media and my art circles that I have to endure day in and day out, mixed with people infiltrating my communities and jerking themselves off.
I respect that, rarely anyone takes the community aspect in mind when talking about AI. Luckily from what I've seen most communities are good at filtering these out, unless it's something really cool or a shitpost.
 
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If artists haven't driven art into the ground and made it so that everything can be art no matter how shitty it is and made it so that a banana taped to a white background can be considered high art i wouldnt have a problem, but artists dug their own grave when art became every thing and anything.



If random splashes on canvas are art then some retard on a computer pressing buttons is also an artist. Same thing for writers and anything ai. If your slop netflix series is enough to give you accolades as a writer then the retard on the pc writing waifu fiction its also a writer because in the end his product is better, regardless of creative input or not.


This is an art gallery, that image could be ai generated and it would make no difference.

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Wow, there's been a ton of comments in here and I got *NO* notifications for any of them. Bonkers.
Anyway...Now that I've finally gotten some decent nights sleep after a few weeks of godawful rest I finally have the brain cells to rub together to respond. Apologies for the delay.

@Punp I'm going to deviate from direct response to discuss what I've been thinking about, namely Effort

I feel like your real problem with all of this (less of a feeling since you've been obvious) is this:

it's just the enshittification of my web, my community, my media and my art circles that I have to endure day in and day out, mixed with people infiltrating my communities and jerking themselves off.

It's the lack of effort required to churn out empty but visually appealing garbage, and being swarmed with tons of it. If AI functioned that it somehow took a human tons of hours to get a 'perfect' output and somehow otherwise churned out unusuable garbage I don't think you'd have nearly the same problem. Namely it wasn't a problem when it was churning out garbage. (There was an old thread with the old crappy AI art, I'll edit with a link when I find it)

There are several AI cover channels that simply run the voice through the AI and upload it to Youtube with whatever's the first image they can get out of Bing. Hell, even he AIHub discord encourages this with a bot that will do literally 100% of that work for you. I'm sure in your arts circles you're getting flooded with useless AI art. One of my friends has complained her crochet communities are getting overwhelmed with people asking how to do AI-generated crochet project art when it's clearly impossible. AI is quickly becoming the spam calling of creative media. I've stopped answering my phone to unknown numbers and I expect something to the equivalent is going to happen in online communities. (I'm personally not seeing any spam since all my "social media" is here, some Element channels, and Hacker News so I'm going off others' experiences. First real instance of AI spam I've personally seen was porc in IlluminatiPirate's status the other day. If that's what everyone is seeing in their own internet bubbles I could see why you'd get pissed.)

There's no putting the genie back in the bottle now though. This isn't like bestiality or incest where we find it instinctively abhorrent and will push it away. This is more like bronies or furries where some people will be disgusted, some people won't care, and others will wank to it. We can only figure out ways to mitigate it, and I think the answer is like the rest of the ills of the internet: small, tight-knit communities that don't let spam or bots in.

But I think we're all caught up in the end product here. Furry art was never meant to be 'art', it was meant to express an idea of what the furry wanted but struggled to express to others without visual media. If someone posts an event with a stock image, it's not meant to be 'art', it's meant to convey the idea of the event quickly and efficiently to a viewer since we are visual creatures. Same for icons, porn, powerpoint images...Regardless of enshittification there are already areas where the 'art' isn't art, it's just a tool to achieve a purpose. I think AI will be incredibly useful to free artists from creating that garbage. It will rob them of income streams, yes, but they can stop prostituting their souls to create media nobody considered art anyway. It's not just visual media either, corporate jingles can be created by AI because it was garbage anyway.


We are entering an era where the value of the art will shift from its immediate end-product appeal to the process itself. Human-made art will have more 'value' because it meant someone wanted to put in the effort to create it in lieu of generating it. They will choose to create instead of being focused on the appeal of the end product. They will want to create things that nobody else could ever think of, nothing an AI could mash up. I think that unlocks the potential for more human beauty.

It also means the creator can focus on what they're personally good at and use the AI to cover areas they would never be good at. I'm personally hopeful AI voices kill death/black metal vocals because the music itself is creative and interesting, but in many cases' the growling is compensation for the artists' lack of masculine singing voices and I can't Stockholm Syndrome myself into liking it. (inb4 trve kvlt metalhead cope) I hope future musicians who lack the deep, dark voices they need for their music for will modify their voices with AI to create the atmosphere they want. I'm also expecting they use AI to name songs to free up brain power for work.

For me, I'm finding I use AI to work on small stupid projects where the visual media is an enhancement to the work I'm doing. This usually means generating art to make a shitpost. It's also enabled me to finally make a flipbook of the particular D&D setting I like running to show new players the highlights of the setting. It handles mashup concepts with ease (tribal halflings riding dinosaurs, undead elves captaining pirate ships) but struggles with the unique concepts of the setting (non-victorian-style elemental airships and the particular art of Warforged). In the AI's defense, the reason I'm turning to AI is that fanartists and even official D&D has betrayed the uniqueness of the setting to turn the interesting arcane-industrial Eberron into Bog Standard Generic Steampunk. If I fight the AI enough I can get warforged-as-living-construct art, where if you go on the average subreddit you'll see tons of "warforged" depicted as unimaginative fantasy robot churn because the artists are as unable to get out of their trained data as the fucking AI. </tangent>

The point here is that AI generated content can still become art as long as the purpose of the art goes beyond what the end generation of the AI is. Transformative work has to be done on the generated content to have it become art, because human effort is what makes art more than just its end-product. Using AI to create art is the modern form of Collage. Recently with the Agora-chan thing, I think we all could see it's not "art" because it was some prompts put in to Bing and then posted. Even if you massage the prompts, it's only about as much effort as a child's drawing of a house. It also goes against the spirit of the forum to use generated media as a icon.

I'm now envisioning a handmade Agora-chan crudely shopped bashing in the skull of an AI-generated Agora-chan. That'd be a cool depiction of the forum.
 
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The forum broke and backed up, good thing i can just post ai images in 5 mins instead of having to spend 3 hours doing it a single one, Artists pwned.

They killed their medium now we fest on their corpse, it is entirely their fault.

You exercise your right to "freedom withing art" and this is the result, The different cardinal truths neither clash nor mesh. No one is invalidated, but nobody is right. Who is going to wade through the sea of garbage you people produce, retrieve valuable truths and even interpret their meaning for later generations?
In this era of ready-made 'truths', "art" is just something used to preserve those positive emotions that you occasionally feel...Another possibility is that "art" is a concept you conveniently borrowed under the logic that it would endow you with some sense of strength...
Ironic that although "art" is something that you yourself fashioned, every time something goes wrong, you turn around and place the blame on something else.
Not even natural selection can take place here. The world is being engulfed in "art."
In denial, you simply resort to looking for another, more convenient "truth" in order to make yourself feel better.
Leaving behind in an instant the so-called "art" you once embraced.
That's the proof of thier incompetence, right there. They lack the qualifications to define art.
Should someone like that be able to decide what is "art"?


I don't know, but the ai art is serviceable and mid tier and 99.7% of artists are mid tier or below, that is the reality, no matter how much soul they put into it.

Send them back to call arts

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The forum broke and backed up, good thing i can just post ai images in 5 mins instead of having to spend 3 hours doing it a single one, Artists pwned.

They killed their medium now we fest on their corpse, it is entirely their fault.

You exercise your right to "freedom withing art" and this is the result, The different cardinal truths neither clash nor mesh. No one is invalidated, but nobody is right. Who is going to wade through the sea of garbage you people produce, retrieve valuable truths and even interpret their meaning for later generations?
In this era of ready-made 'truths', "art" is just something used to preserve those positive emotions that you occasionally feel...Another possibility is that "art" is a concept you conveniently borrowed under the logic that it would endow you with some sense of strength...
Ironic that although "art" is something that you yourself fashioned, every time something goes wrong, you turn around and place the blame on something else.
Not even natural selection can take place here. The world is being engulfed in "art."
vfIn denial, you simply resort to looking for another, more convenient "truth" in order to make yourself feel better.
Leaving behind in an instant the so-called "art" you once embraced.
Should someone like that be able to decide what is "art"?
That's the proof of thier incompetence, right there. They lack the qualifications to exercise thier free will in regards to art.
Should someone like that even have the right to decide?


I don't know, but the ai art is serviceable and mid tier and 99.7% of artists are mid tier or below, that is the reality, no matter how much soul they put into it.

Send them back to call arts

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Hey are you just pretending to be retarded or do you actually believe the things you post?
Because if you're being serious then I think you're just as gay as the the phantoms you're trying to scream at.
You literally made another spite post just because the site shit the bed.
Seriously, what point are you actually trying to prove by doing this?
 
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Hey are you just pretending to be retarded or do you actually believe the things you post?
Because if you're being serious then I think you're just as gay as the the phantoms you're trying to scream at.
You literally made another spite post just because the site shit the bed.
Seriously, what point are you actually trying to prove by doing this?
This is the mgs2 copypasta genius
 
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This is the msg2 copypasta genius
You still felt the need to make the post.
You still decided to prompt more generic art to prove a point everyone is well aware of.
You still went and sprinkled in comments reflecting your thoughts that are not part of the copypasta.
You still based it on your disingenuous hyperbole argument that every single artist is a pretentious cal-arts/abstractionist art show faggot.
You're still making posts that go against the civil discussion that was going on within the thread in some inane effort to spite people simply because they don't share the same opinions or perspective as yours.
 
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I don't remember who posted this before the site pooped but I'm grateful to whoever it is for introducing me to this:


Very reminiscent of the Infinite Seinfeld...or, well, the Infinite Sitcom Previously Known As Infinite Seinfeld

View: https://www.twitch.tv/watchmeforever


This definitely gets into derivative content to becoming its own art. Sitcoms being so predictable, you can have an AI do it and it's basically the same thing. Brilliant commentary even if unintentional.
 
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You still felt the need to make the post.
You still decided to prompt more generic art to prove a point everyone is well aware of
You still went and sprinkled in comments reflecting your thoughts that are not part of the copypasta.
You still based it on your disingenuous hyperbole argument that every single artist is a pretentious cal-arts/abstractionist art show faggot.

I understand your need for jannying and keeping the streets clean but posting a copypasta, feeling the need to post and doing hyperbole is not against any forum rules as far as i am aware

You're still making posts that go against the civil discussion that was going on within the thread in some inane effort to spite people just because don't share the same opinions or perspective as you.
This ^



Is complete fiction.

I made a shitpost with images that were saved on bing lol


Seriously, what point are you actually trying to prove by doing this?
This is the mgs2 copypasta genius

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