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Anime has become a pipeline into degeneracy: How I grew to dislike anime.

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Anime has always been more risque than US animation. Japan did not have the same value system as the west. However in modern times, it has become more and more degenerate. More and more sexual content, fan service, and honestly, cringe.

In the 1990s: Anime had sexually oriented gags, of course, Japan being Japan, Dragonball for example Goku/Bulma in Dragonball. My point is that they were so far and few in between, and many of the day flat out didn't have them at all. Now Japan always had doujinshi, and other degenerate sexual content, like hentai, but these were uncommon outside of Japan and shops specializing in these types of adult rentals. There was a strong focus on the story. Many of the greatest works of all time come out during this era.

In the 2000s, Anime starts to get more oriented towards fan service, more and more sexualization of characters, instead of allusions to sexuality or even the pantsu gag. The frequency increases, and then this new thing that I think is the start of the awful rot present in Anime occurs. "Moe". Grown men and women obsession of cute girlish representations, even chibi. There are still iconic animes being produced. Eureka Seven, Gurren Laggan, still so much good.

In the 2010s, Anime openly has many popular series that were constantly sexualizing underage characters, or focused on 'love' interests of grade schoolers... or even promote relationships between underage and adult, Denkigai, NGNL, etc. Moe in the west quickly goes from innocent and cute to gross weebs talking about clearly child characters as 'their waifus' and put them on dakimakura body pillows. Anime like Konosuba has characters non-stop sexual every two seconds. Anime has become about the sex gag, fan service, instead of stories and universes. The amount of iconic anime has slowed greatly. It's so many forgettable hs-age drama at this point. Too much sexualization. Few iconic animes are produced during this time.

2020s+ We now have children watching pro LGBT fan service anime that are glorifying a life of crossdressing, sex transition, furry, and same sex relationships. Every other anime is dialed up to 11 on non-stop sexuality. Nothing iconic has been made so far. A good example of whether or not an anime is iconic, is when you would buy the boxed dvd/bluray set.

I honestly think Anime has become a degeneracy pipeline. I feel like once you are older than 20 ; it becomes a hard sell to watch 'fan service' about literal underage characters; high schoolers, even fantasy setting stuff. It's too much. So I honestly grew to dislike anime. It gets worse every year. Anime always produced weebs that wished they looked cool, or could have a real life contemporary of X-san, when they were like 15, but we have half of twitter/x trans and the majority of those furries with anime avatars too. It's increasingly a pipeline into degeneracy.

Point of order: Full Metal Alchemist

- had a few gags about Winry
- We clearly know that Eric loved Winry
- A few gag about Homonculi, etc.

FMA wouldn't sell in today's market. Dragonball Super has a hard time in this market.
 
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That has been a thing since anime was invented, you are looking at mainstream audience focused marketable animes, there is anime from the 50s with gay sex gags.

Japanese culture has always had a degeneracy duality to it. People just exploited what its popular with the young people as they always do, it happened with everything that was popular with young people post ww2.
Videogames, Skateboarding, Comic books, Tv series, hip hop, punk rock, The Internet, ETC. Its just the way things b man its not an anime thing.
 
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That has been a thing since anime was invented, you are looking at mainstream audience focused marketable animes, there is anime from the 50s with gay sex gags.
I love the homoerotic relationship between kira and Ryo in the 70s manga.
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I read a blog post about western movies from the 80's and now and their sexuality. It discussed how actors were less hot, but way more sexual. And now they've become more hot, but less sexual. I'm explaining it cause I can't find it, but it was a little interesting. I'll link if I do.

I also mentioned in another thread, but I've been enjoying reading cabbagesorter's manga and anime reviews particularly because it's from the perspective of a generally non-targeted anime consumer. And, I feel, it can really shed some light / bring-in outsider contexts, ideas and interpretations.

I agree with @housepoopr general sentiment and I disagree with disregarding the issue too strongly like @Boxerdog says, though it's a valid point.
 
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The anime defense force has arrived to point out 0.1% in previous years justifies 70% in modern years. Anime avatars get half credit on defense here. @Jackal "iM nOt ReAdInG tHaT" >> Replies to thread to shill degenerate anime. Classic.
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...okay?
Six whole paragraphs just to say "this has stuff me no like, no good"
I know right, is so weird, agorians tends to do 20 on average to just say something that can be summarized as "i don't like this and this" kinda like a power of chronically online autism. :tou3:
 
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but these were uncommon outside of Japan and shops specializing in these types of adult rentals
Maybe because until like the mid 00´s anime was niche outside of Japan? And even then, from my understanding, it wasn´t all mainstream either.
In the 2000s, Anime starts to get more oriented towards fan service, more and more sexualization of characters, instead of allusions to sexuality or even the pantsu gag. The frequency increases, and then this new thing that I think is the start of the awful rot present in Anime occurs. "Moe". Grown men and women obsession of cute girlish representations, even chibi. There are still iconic animes being produced. Eureka Seven, Gurren Laggan, still so much good.

In the 2010s, Anime openly has many popular series that were constantly sexualizing underage characters, or focused on 'love' interests of grade schoolers... or even promote relationships between underage and adult, Denkigai, NGNL, etc. Moe in the west quickly goes from innocent and cute to gross weebs talking about clearly child characters as 'their waifus' and put them on dakimakura body pillows. Anime like Konosuba has characters non-stop sexual every two seconds. Anime has become about the sex gag, fan service, instead of stories and universes. The amount of iconic anime has slowed greatly. It's so many forgettable hs-age drama at this point. Too much sexualization. Few iconic animes are produced during this time.
I mean, I agree on the wider point. A lot of anime is just a sex gag and fanservice instead of having anything worthwhile to say. Then again, I think that´s an issue with most media in general. But can you show that this transition actually happened? You´re putting on yourself a big, big burden of proof. "Few iconic animes being produced" is a very subjective point of view to take as evidence for the decadence of anime.
We now have children watching pro LGBT fan service anime that are glorifying a life of crossdressing, sex transition, furry, and same sex relationships. Every other anime is dialed up to 11 on non-stop sexuality. Nothing iconic has been made so far. A good example of whether or not an anime is iconic, is when you would buy the boxed dvd/bluray set.
Got any examples for the sort of anime you´re describing here? Also, anime being about buying BD and DVD´s has always being a thing and it was worse in the past. The industry in Japan works by getting weebs to buy overpriced and collective volumes of their favorite anime on BD, and I´m not sure how this is tied to degeneracy.
degeneracy pipeline
Couldn´t it be that degens are attracted to degen anime in the first place? The casual relation in these sort of situations is really hard to prove. But I do think it´s not a good thing to have products that validate the fantasies of degenerates. And for those who are trying to overcome their sinful desires, having so much of a product available is harmful.
FMA wouldn't sell in today's market. Dragonball Super has a hard time in this market.
Again, source?

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...okay?
Six whole paragraphs just to say "this has stuff me no like, no good"
I think his point is that anime is making society worse by making anime consumers more degenerate. He´s not giving a personal opinion. Though with how little evidence he provides it doesn´t help his case
 
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The anime defense force has arrived to point out 0.1% in previous years justifies 70% in modern years. Anime avatars get half credit on defense here. @Jackal "iM nOt ReAdInG tHaT" >> Replies to thread to shill degenerate anime. Classic.

Try 40%. Or 80% pre astroboy(1963) after the fame of astro boy anime if anything became more tame than what it was in the 50s.


particularly because it's from the perspective of a generally non-targeted anime consumer. And, I feel, it can really shed some light / bring-in outsider contexts, ideas and interpretations.
When you are into something its easy to see the decline on it because you are a part of it and it is a part of you, nobody cares about the decline of magic tricks of ye old, except for magicians, the same thing happened to it but nobody cares because people who are into magic are a more narrow type of autist than the ones into anime which are significantly more therefore the decline its more noticeable. When was the last time you though that magic really declined from houdini locking himself underwater and appearing in the audience to college experimental dance being considered a "magic" show because they are transfering energy or whatever? Anime just has a bigger blanket than magic therefore its more noticiable but both have had the same thing happened to them, so did everyting else, you're(royal) just not that into extreme sports or ham radios to notice it the cultural differences just the face value of what you're presented to(through media), people still think ham radios its the domain of schizos and truckers when that reality has been long gone.
 
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Lust is lucrative. It would be il-lust-rative to show you how the majority of internet use is dominated by pornography. Softcore, hardcore, implied, alluded to... whatever.
If you're going to make an argument that lust is degenerate, attraction is based on lust... procreation is based on lust... life and propelling advantageous genes is based on procreation. As a result, what successfully satiates a man and woman's lust will do well-- in the past this meant physically appealing women, but it's only in the last 100 years that we've had widescale physical copies to "bust one out to" of women. The passion of lust, has been warped by the technology that satiates it- the same as the passion of gluttony. Gluttony can also be a gluttony of *just right* taste. There is even a gluttony of lust... This is why any appeal to the 7 deadly sins is successful on the internet... Pride? Culture war(all participants). Wrath? Social media outrage. Sloth? Distractionware. Greed? YouTuber subscriber, viewer, like, sponsor, dollar counts. Envy is self-evident, unfortuantely unconscious to the many-too-many. Solomon's demons have wicked ways around the 7 deadly sins, and even I am a sinner. I hold true to my passions, my virtue, my good, my heroism, my highest hopes.
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Maybe because until like the mid 00´s anime was niche outside of Japan? And even then, from my understanding, it wasn´t all mainstream either.
Many shonen and shojou anime were already present on mainstream networks in 1998 in the USA at least. We used to watch anime on cartoon network in like 1997. Sailor Moon was on us televisions in the mid 90s, as was pokemon in 1997.

There was less anime; but it was present and Toonami made me a huge fan of multiple franchises.

I mean, I agree on the wider point. A lot of anime is just a sex gag and fanservice instead of having anything worthwhile to say. Then again, I think that´s an issue with most media in general. But can you show that this transition actually happened? You´re putting on yourself a big, big burden of proof. "Few iconic animes being produced" is a very subjective point of view to take as evidence for the decadence of anime.

I mean genre defining and genre redefining animes. For instance Gurren Laggan, Sword Art brought the whole VR proto Isekai thing. Eureka Seven was a cult classic instantly; a Mecha far more personally relatable than the already iconic Gundam series. It's hard to argue when an anime OVERALL captures so much of the attention and critical praise, even if subjectively; individuals may not like it. How many people hated Gurren Laggan, but loved Kotoura San? See my point? Same thing with SAO in 2012; people were obsessed with it; even if gatekeeper weebs attackd it later on. SAO wasn't crazy fan service; it was just good. Just like Gurren Laggann, had way less fan service than the Kill La Kill which was insanely sexualized.

Got any examples for the sort of anime you´re describing here? Also, anime being about buying BD and DVD´s has always being a thing and it was worse in the past. The industry in Japan works by getting weebs to buy overpriced and collective volumes of their favorite anime on BD, and I´m not sure how this is tied to degeneracy.

BD sales are a good example of popularity.

Couldn´t it be that degens are attracted to degen anime in the first place? The casual relation in these sort of situations is really hard to prove.

Fans get fan sevice; yes. The problem is the delta between 30 yo men buying dakimakura, scale figurines, and other lecherous stuff as whales vs the dude who has a nendoroid of Cap'n Luffy. One spends thousands a year on anime related collectibles and the other not so much.

But I do think it´s not a good thing to have products that validate the fantasies of degenerates. And for those who are trying to overcome their sinful desires, having so much of a product available is harmful.

Children and depictions of children are not for this and shouldn't be portrayed as such a thing. The main problem is that it's 90+% about high school kods. The healthiest thing you can do if you have such an affliction is to not feed that. Flee from it and live a life appreciating women who are adults. A man attracted to his coworker shouldn't spend time with or dwell on it.

Again, source?

You´re making me defend anime man xD

I don't know if I'm misreading you here. I don't think it's neccesary to give a source on why fan service about underage characters is not healthy, I really have to give you the benefit of the doubt here, can you clairify; given the statement immediately preceeding this: what are you defending here by suggesting need for a source? General degeneracy or other?
 

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Try 40%. Or 80% pre astroboy(1963) after the fame of astro boy anime if anything became more tame than what it was in the 50s.

You are exaggerating. The amount of fan service is the problem; not that it's present. The animes lean on degeneracy outright instead of story and it's sickening when the characters are underage; nor would it bw healthy to promote those things at any rate.

When you are into something its easy to see the decline on it...
Sure. I agree.
... people still think ham radios its the domain of schizos and truckers when that reality has been long gone.
At what point does anime become looked on as lecherous, becuase 30 and 40 year old men are obsessed with 16 yo kokousei shrine priestess Tanaka Hana, who is a flirtateous crossdressing [throws dart at board] furry lgbt getting into mischeif (adult situations) with 19 yo Isekai'd protagonist with ( who represents neets ) as a failure? Alongside obsessed with protagonist middle school aged girl. What in the flying fork happened to anime... how many bottle popping jizz spray gags about an underage character falling in the lap of a [clearly a neet stand-in] is tolerable? It's become gratuitous and gross imo.

Anime went down a path I couldn't stand by 2016 and so I had to leave it; even though I grew up loving it.
 

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I think it's pretty simple.

Sex sells. The weirder the sex, the more it sells for.

The biggest customer of sex content?
The lonely man.

Who in anime's biggest customer?
The lonely (sometimes crazy) man.

Why is anime perfect for the lonely man?
He can be into his animated pornography and to others he just looks like a normal person. Just enjoying the normal persons interpretation of anime.

Why is anime going the way of over sexualization?
They need to keep lonely man hooked and coming back for more.

So TLDR; $$$
 
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don't think it's neccesary to give a source on why fan service about underage characters is not healthy,
Yeah I agree it would be queer to ask for a source showing that loli fanfservice isn't healthy. Please read my post again. I was asking for a source on your claim that DBZ and FMA are not marketable today. Which to be fair, it's kind of unfair to ask a source for a negative claim. Still, do you have any sort of data that those anime are having a hard time in today's anime market? Isn't anime like Boku no Hero similar to Dragon Ball and killing it rn? >Anecdotal evidence, but I see DBZ stuff sold in Targets and Walmarts still.

SAO wasn't crazy fan service; it was just good
Agree to disagree lol. SAO has plenty of fanservice and I don't think it's any good.
BD sales are a good example of popularity.
OKay but which degen anime are having great BD sales though? The sort of anime that has good BD and includes the following: "We now have children watching pro LGBT fan service anime that are glorifying a life of crossdressing, sex transition, furry, and same sex relationships. Every other anime is dialed up to 11 on non-stop sexuality." I mean you can find examples of popular degen anime like Citruss, but are those the main forces in the market right now instead of a niche? That's what I'm asking you to show, that these degen animes are leading in anime popularity. If the claim that some anime has degen products, then that's quite a trivial thing to say.
Children and depictions of children are not for this and shouldn't be portrayed as such a thing. The main problem is that it's 90+% about high school kods. The healthiest thing you can do if you have such an affliction is to not feed that. Flee from it and live a life appreciating women who are adults. A man attracted to his coworker shouldn't spend time with or dwell on it.
Agree, though I gotta wonder if those animes aren't marketed for horny teens? Even then, I wouldn't want a teenager feeding those desires. Yet it's not as bad as an adult who lust after animated HS girls. But if it's a product meant to be consumed by teens, I think there's a relevant difference.
 
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Yeah but, you know, modern anime is actually still good, whereas a large sum of modern western media has turned into far-left propaganda.
Good Western media is still coming out. Better Call Saul ended last year and we've just got Oppenheimer. Also there's Arcane. Whereas I can't name a good anime that has came out in the 2020s. Of course the obvious answer is that I just haven't seen many anime, and is true I haven't, but then by principle of charity we could say the same about western media. Anyone here is still actively consuming as much western shows as they watch anime?
 
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