Anyone else just exhausted of seeing AI stuff everywhere?

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In particular, AI art really. Like I get it, a lot of it is pretty damn funny, but holy hell I swear to god it takes up like, 80% of any of the social media websites I use now. Even people on my facebook are posting AI art they have been toying with. It just all feels exhausting by this point. I don't think its going to kill the artist, but damn i'm getting tiring of seeing it take up my feed for every damn website I use. I'm even seeing it in my school newspaper now.

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People love the next new gimmick. Especially boomers who can barely tell the difference between real and AI art or just don't care. I personally don't care if AI replaces artists, which it won't if the art its trying to replicate holds any value (it will mostly replace deviantart level slop). But regardless it disgusts me when I see it on forums. And its always so obvious, regardless of how 'perfect' the image is. I don't know if its uncanny valley or just a general intuitive sense of art having 'soul,' but it annoys me seeing AI art of any kind, in any context.
 

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In particular, AI art really. Like I get it, a lot of it is pretty damn funny, but holy hell I swear to god it takes up like, 80% of any of the social media websites I use now. Even people on my facebook are posting AI art they have been toying with. It just all feels exhausting by this point. I don't think its going to kill the artist, but damn i'm getting tiring of seeing it take up my feed for every damn website I use. I'm even seeing it in my school newspaper now.

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No, not at all!
 
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And its always so obvious, regardless of how 'perfect' the image is. I don't know if its uncanny valley or just a general intuitive sense of art having 'soul,' but it annoys me seeing AI art of any kind, in any context.
Pretty much this.
I kind of hope AI will get better so I will not need to learn to draw and still will be able to give the images in my head some sort of physical form, but at this point AI art induces only some kind of irrational hate from me.
Maybe it's all the buzz that surrounds it, I don't know, but I find it hard to support this technology, even if I want it to succeed and get better.
 
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I just ignore it. Nothing about it is worth exploring and none of it will be remembered in 10 years- it's complete filler, so it can't tire me out.
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Alot of hype, and AI hysteria. I would say is that looking at the details, and I would believe that AI will not fully replace regular artist as they have to model it off of varying sources so they do not create anything original/new. Also, as a note, it cannot mesh together anything ugly or otherwise disgusting, it can only create pretty/beautiful things, which is quite limiting. But, yeah it does induce eye rolling to the point of rolling all the way to the back of my head.
 
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AI art just looks uncanny and un-human. Its too "perfect". It has a role in that it can be used to generate quick things but you still need a human to precisely generate what you want or at least get very close. I don't predict that we'll completely automate away drawing at least not in the short term as barely anyone wants to bother with setting up a local AI instance to generate images by entering a gazillion tags. Someone will do it eventually one day. Same with coding, turns out the AIs are just spitting out junk that is barely comprehensible and tends to churn a lot.

Only thing that it has done well so far is managed to print out reasonably decent text so now school kids can avoid writing junk essays all the time. Seems like thats about it for viable uses so far despite all the hype. Even all the job killing hysteria hasn't come to fruition though it could possibly still be underway. I would like to see a machine try to automate my job. Its very dynamic and I don't do the same thing every day. Each day is unique and has special challenges that a machine can't handle just yet.

Hasn't stopped mega-corps from jumping on the train too early and getting splattered. Wasn't IBM trying to cut the number of staffers and replace a certain amount of them with AI? I heard that they want to replace HR with AI. Sounds like a terrible idea, but IBM is kind of circling the drain nowadays. Did a little bit of research and they are stagnant and essentially only in the business space after selling off all the consumer business.

And I have yet to see an AI produce something truly unique and original that isn't just more derivative bullshit.
 
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The interesting part of this cycle is how fast it landed in boomer/kid/luddite hands. It used to be an easy guage as I got older: if my relatives and coworkers were talking about it, it was too late to buy in (normieville).
 

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Anyone who has seriously put in work learning to draw/paint (I'm talking like 10,000 hours+), will have realized that the outcome of art *is* the process. When I pick up a pencil and sketch it's an extension of my thoughts. And through the process of thinking with a pencil a drawing is produced. AI promises to bypass the process entirely, but in so doing eliminates the point of making art in the first place. I'll give an example from two great paintings.

Here's a painting I saw in the impressionist wing of the Art Institute of Chicago, Pardon in Brittany by Gaston La Touche, painted in 1896. The late 19th century was a golden age for the art of painting, where impressionism had gained enough acceptance and influence that people could really build on its ideas.

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The pardon in question is a catholic processional ceremony native to Brittany in western France. The artist has not only depicted this in a representational way, but he's also allowed us, the viewer, to take part in this ceremony as well. There's a type of gradation of detail happening from left to right, where there are distinct recognizable faces at the start which gradually melt into a heavily abstracted field of color. So we experience the individual dissolve into the mass of collective unity that religious ritual allows us to experience.

The second painting is one of the greatest of this second wave of impressionists, John Singer Sargent (and it's a pretty powered up generation of artists, his contemporaries were Anders Zorn and Joaquin Sorolla). Although landscape painting was his first love, he made a career out of being a society portraitist. The Daughters of Edward Darley Boit is a painting which wasn't much remarked in its time, but has become celebrated for its enigmatic mood and psychological complexity.

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Sargent employs a similar technique of a gradating dissolution of detail, although instead of side to side it goes front to back. The daughters are spatially ordered by age, and as they recede into the darkness of the hall their attitude towards the viewer begins to change. As one ages from childhood into adolescence one develops more and more of an interior life, and often becomes withdrawn and perhaps inscrutable to one's parents in many ways. The dismissive, infantilizing thing to call this is being a "moody teenager", but Sargent takes these emotions quite seriously in this painting. The eldest sister has the most melancholy pose, not engaging the viewer at all but peering off into a world of her own thoughts. Has she left childhood behind? Internalized the inevitability and injustice of mortality and heartbreak? The placement of the portrait subjects is off balance, so that the eye zig zags through the entirety of a childhood before settling on the eldest leaning against the porcelain vase, the repetition of dress enforces this actually rather complex reading order. It's a painting that respects the experience and psychology of children and adolescents in a way far ahead of its time, and really, our own time as well.

Both of these compositions are so replete with deliberate, thoughtful applications of all the techniques of painting that they both end up being much more than just the sum of their parts. They aren't just pretty pictures but statements which communicate something deeply felt.

I just don't see how you could ever arrive at something like that with the push of a computer button. You can end up with a picture, but never a meaningful one in any way.
 
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In particular, AI art really. Like I get it, a lot of it is pretty damn funny, but holy hell I swear to god it takes up like, 80% of any of the social media websites I use now. Even people on my facebook are posting AI art they have been toying with. It just all feels exhausting by this point. I don't think its going to kill the artist, but damn i'm getting tiring of seeing it take up my feed for every damn website I use. I'm even seeing it in my school newspaper now.
Yes. Mostly because it all looks the same and it's always the same uncreative topics, turns out not even having the ability to generate anything can save you from not being creative. Seriously if you've seen SD you can tell it's SD, if you've seen bingAI you can tell it's bingAI every time. Or it's that garbage AI that morphs an image so that it talks, or it's SD configured to make people into anime. It's impossible to escape because it's just good enough for the average normie and it's free. I've been lucky to mostly avoid it since I'm not on social media anymore but it always sneaks back in on occasion.

Especially boomers who can barely tell the difference between real and AI art or just don't care.
Boomers can't tell between real life and Arma 3 gameplay lmao. Scammers have been making bank on them even before AI and it just supercharged their scamming operations.
 

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I just don't see how you could ever arrive at something like that with the push of a computer button. You can end up with a picture, but never a meaningful one in any way.
Well, as someone who can't draw, I definitely do see how can one arrive at something like that with a press of a button. It's all in my head either way. I've been thinking all over it for years, just without a pencil.
The problem is that AI simply can't look into my thoughts at this point. And it's not even an I to start with - it's just a somewhat sophisticated algorithm.
 
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Well, as someone who can't draw, I definitely do see how can one arrive at something like that with a press of a button. It's all in my head either way. I've been thinking all over it for years, just without a pencil.
The problem is that AI simply can't look into my thoughts at this point. And it's not even an I to start with - it's just a somewhat sophisticated algorithm.
No one generating AI pictures knows what edge control is (concept I avoided using the proper name for in the post, bc it's jargon to non-painters). And if they did know what it was and how to effectively use it, they'd have only gotten it from learning how to paint, so they wouldn't need to sit in front of the trial and error slot machine in the first place. The more you advance at painting the more complex things you can articulate using the medium. One of the core reasons AI art is so easy to spot is because of how vapid and conceptually shallow it all it is. Drawing, sketching, painting are all ways to train your mind visually.
 
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No one generating AI pictures knows what edge control is (concept I avoided using the proper name for in the post, bc it's jargon to non-painters). And if they did know what it was and how to effectively use it, they'd have only gotten it from learning how to paint, so they wouldn't need to sit in front of the trial and error slot machine in the first place. The more you advance at painting the more complex things you can articulate using the medium. One of the core reasons AI art is so easy to spot is because of how vapid and conceptually shallow it all it is. Drawing, sketching, painting are all ways to train your mind visually.
But you surely can train your mind visually with something like AI without actually drawing. Read a couple books on theory and then get on to it - provided we will one day actually have an instrument that is able to transfer thoughts onto images... like, in a meaningful way.
It is hard to draw a parallel here, but let me try it with this one: like, you can efficiently operate an OS with an UI. You do not really need command line to do that. Knowing command line will definitely upgrade your skills and will give you some very useful inner knowledge, but it is not, like, 100% needed.
Or, like, if you are DJing and never touched the real wax, you will likely never develop the special soft touch that is unnecessary for the timecode discs, but you still will be a DJ, as fair and square as possible.
Both of those are a bit far-fetched, but I hope you can see what I'm thinking about here. Theoretically, you can read stuff about composition, perspective, what not - and that apply that knowledge with a software rather than pencil. Provided that software is coherent enough to react to the minor changes of your mind - and provided that you actually possess self-criticism to find flaws in the generated works and actually understand what you need to improve - it surely can be done.
Now, when exactly will we get a software like that is another question.
 
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But you surely can train your mind visually with something like AI without actually drawing. Read a couple books on theory and then get on to it
Corny famous rebuttal: "in theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they are not".

I see what you're getting at, but it's wrong. Because the point of AI is to bypass the entire process by which visual acuity is developed in the first place. No free lunch!
 
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I see what you're getting at, but it's wrong. Because the point of AI is to bypass the entire process by which visual acuity is developed in the first place. No free lunch!
Well, I really can't be so sure. In my eyes I see a lot of examples where bypasses surely worked just fine.
Once again: DJing. It bypassed the whole process of creating music by composing it. Instead, it created a completely new, different, never-seen-before style of creating music by samples.
Maybe a proper AI will lead us somewhere that way. A completely new, different, never-seen-before style of creating images.
 
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Honestly, I don't think AI is capable of making real art. It's designed to generate the most average/unoriginal image possible given the prompt and thus the result is always uninspired and feels like a mix of other works. AI is incapable of coming up with its own art style or original designs since it can only produce what it has been fed. AI can definitely be used to generate images of pre-established stuff but unless your art is extremely uninspired, you should be able to tell the difference. In order to come up with anything new and original, you still need actual artists.
 

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holy hell I swear to god it takes up like, 80% of any of the social media websites I use now
Now? More than now. AI's always been 80% of social media.
Once again: DJing.
I agree. AI art is looking in the wrong area, with the focus of the devs being mass producing art (but then it's not art, art is not a mass produceable item by my definition). The only good use of algorithmic intelligence I can see is for composing an image. Basically making better photoshop art which could be classified as art. Non-photorealistic photoshop art type stuff.