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Are there any goth/alternative subculture forums out there that are active?

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Thought I'd toss a line out into the road and see if anything bites- I'm curious if anyone here know of any hole in the wall forums/sites with goth (other other edgy derivatives) subculture at the focus?

I'm trying to find my perfect edgelord goth BFF and it's harder than it sounds. (If that's you applications are available to fill out in the back room)

Jokes aside I'm looking for a place I can discuss goth and obscure Japanese music and my unhealthy vampire obsession and I've hit a wall. Thought if anyone might know of a site it'd be a weary traveler of the ol Road.

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i dressed goth into my college once, since then my friends call me school shooter, is hard being a zoomer. :tou1:
I feel you friend. I used to exclusively wear black when i was younger. It didn't help that I naturally have dark bags under my eyes like I'm wearing eye shadow all the time.
 
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I always got along best with the goths and other outcasts in high school, but I never really got into the music or aesthetic to be honest (partially due to a strict upbringing.) These days I retain a business casual attire on the outside and an emo soul on the inside :lainburger:
 
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The thing about Goths, is a lot of people don't take them seriously. I also use goth and emo interchangeably(is this incorrect?) and I know a bloke who's a goth but he's an excellent friend. Dunno what all the hate and people taking the piss out of them is about.

I don't browse /mu/ on 4chan but I'd be surprised if there wasn't a goth/emo general thread, and I'd also be surprised if there's no other communities you can ask about in that thread.

Also your best bet for finding Goths irl, is probably just to go to a live session and make friends with the people who go there.
 
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i dressed goth into my college once, since then my friends call me school shooter, is hard being a zoomer. :tou1:
yeah see absolutely no offense meant but this post is why I think I'm too old for Agora- you don't dress goth, it's not a fashion. it's a lifestyle revolving primarily around the music. no one would think I'm a goth by looking at me 90% of the time- I work from home and I wear comfy shit and earth tones. It's my MIND that's wearing the black leather, you see.

The thing about Goths, is a lot of people don't take them seriously. I also use goth and emo interchangeably(is this incorrect?) and I know a bloke who's a goth but he's an excellent friend. Dunno what all the hate and people taking the piss out of them is about.

I don't browse /mu/ on 4chan but I'd be surprised if there wasn't a goth/emo general thread, and I'd also be surprised if there's no other communities you can ask about in that thread.

Also your best bet for finding Goths irl, is probably just to go to a live session and make friends with the people who go there.
it is incorrect to use the two interchangeably because they are separate subcultures pertaining to specific types of music. you can be both emo AND goth but not everyone is. you'd get some 90's goth in his spandex bat panties in a major twist if you called him an emo.

It's very unfashionable to be an edgelord right now, and that's likely why goths have been turned into a meme lately.

I think I'd rather cut out my own eyes and eat them than try to make a friend on 4chan, or have any semblance of meaningful encounters on there. as a woman I'm not looking to befriend an incel any time soon lul. And yes, I could I guess make a friend IRL but then I'd have to leave my cave and I like it here. There's a vampire club in my city but I'm too pussy to visit a bar as a non-drinker.

I spend a lot of time surfing old personal sites and webrings, and I miss that unapologetic f-you subcultures that used to be around in the alternative scene. Alternative shit has been completely usurped by idiots in clown makeup and striped shirts, listening to Billie Eilish like it's edgy.

TFW no big titty goth gf

dude this meme is revolting- I'm so sick of pornbrained Vtubers and onlyfans shit catering to this and making it a fetish. no dude who begs for a goth gf would be able to handle one. most legit goth women (not the ones cosplaying as them), myself included, are raging feminists and pagan weirdos. The big titty goth gf thing is just a fetish for women in alt bondage gear and black lipstick

real goth women want Pete Steele, and I suspect Twitter coomers are not gonna deliver (I knew a goth girl who paid $$$$ for a copy of the playgirl mag he was in)
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listen to some Paralyzed Age and Type 0 Negative and let the vibes wash over you
 
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I feel you friend. I used to exclusively wear black when i was younger. It didn't help that I naturally have dark bags under my eyes like I'm wearing eye shadow all the time.
I still wear pretty much only black clothes, I'm not goth but it's just the best colour.
 
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revolving primarily around the music
Idk man, I was into Edgar Allan Poe and Berserk and dressing in black years before i got into Siouxsie. The vibe has seeped into the culture enough that music isn't the only thing that encapsulates the subculture anymore. The melancholy aspect of it is a disposition of the soul.

I spend a lot of time surfing old personal sites and webrings, and I miss that unapologetic f-you subcultures that used to be around in the alternative scene. Alternative shit has been completely usurped by idiots in clown makeup and striped shirts, listening to Billie Eilish like it's edgy.
most legit goth women (not the ones cosplaying as them), myself included, are raging feminists and pagan weirdos
Its hard still being the counterculture when all the values the niche is built on are being espoused by the establishment. No offense but its almost parody to complain about how watered down alt stuff is as a feminist. When RATM has the same values as the CIA there is no counterculture. How are you sticking it to the man when you're trapped in his paradigm?

I'm so sick of pornbrained Vtubers and onlyfans shit catering to this and making it a fetish
I can kinda agree with you on this though. The goth gf thing is no different than the clussy meme.

I still wear pretty much only black clothes, I'm not goth but it's just the best colour.
Its a shame how hard it is to pair with black. A slight difference in shade ruins the whole outfit.
 
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The melancholy aspect of it is a disposition of the soul.
I absolutely agree with you on this, don't get me wrong. However, I think an all black wardrobe doesn't make a goth, which is what I was referencing. It absolutely is a culture that encompasses a mindset and and practices. I think what made goth so intriguing to people back in the day was that there was a lot of room for shit-talking and disagreeing on what makes a goth. You liked the music, it resonated with you, and then you get to hang out with other weirdos who felt the same way.

No offense but its almost parody to complain about how watered down alt stuff is as a feminist. When RATM has the same values as the CIA there is no counterculture. How are you sticking it to the man when you're trapped in his paradigm?
I think what makes a feminist varies wildly depending on what kind you are talking to. I have a very oldschool wiccan outlook on feminism- not a separatist or a libfem. I'm not really one of those stick it to the man free the nipple types. Being an anti sex work goddess worship feminist is a weird line to walk these days. It makes a lot of normie dudes recoil and a lot of women don't like it because it's not PC.

I am a pro-gatekeeping weirdo, and I do think that the alt scene is absolutely, 100% flooded with materialistic corporate bullshit. Kids these days don't give a fuck about reading, let alone meticulously curating their interests. Check the goth tag on Instagram and find 50% onlyfans filth, 50% kids wearing fast fashion Chinese sweatshop clothing from the same 3 brands and deep fried memes.

I think we've started to see an era where subcultures are melding into a big fat amalgam fed by algorithms that want people to spend spend spend and little else. Who gives a shit if you're into clowncore or cottagecore or vampirecore or fairycore? It's all valid and we're all special. You've got data, we want to sell it, and you've got money we want you to spend. So make some more TikToks doing a dance in some KillStar clothes that'll fall apart next washing cycle and pretend you've got tourette's for clout or get off the internet.

2022 is year of goth dad me. so are there any forums or not?

this question has yet been unanswered. I keep digging and I can't find anything, apparently all the goths are hanging out in Facebook groups so we're fucked.
 
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this question has yet been unanswered. I keep digging and I can't find anything, apparently all the goths are hanging out in Facebook groups so we're fucked.
IRL subcultures don't tend to have much online space in general I find. There are FB and R*ddit groups for most things but those sites suck.
From doing a quick search it seems a lot of "goth" stuff has a strong political angle, which is offputting if you want to focus on music and aesthetic.
 
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2022 is year of goth dad me. so are there any forums or not?
this question has yet been unanswered. I keep digging and I can't find anything, apparently all the goths are hanging out in Facebook groups so we're fucked.
Check the goth thread on KF. Maybe they'll be able to help out. Either you find a forum or you get a bigger thread than you'll get here. The OG goths are at least in their mid 40s rn so idk if they maintain websites.

I am a pro-gatekeeping weirdo, and I do think that the alt scene is absolutely, 100% flooded with materialistic corporate bullshit. Kids these days don't give a fuck about reading, let alone meticulously curating their interests. Check the goth tag on Instagram and find 50% onlyfans filth, 50% kids wearing fast fashion Chinese sweatshop clothing from the same 3 brands and deep fried memes.

I think we've started to see an era where subcultures are melding into a big fat amalgam fed by algorithms that want people to spend spend spend and little else. Who gives a shit if you're into clowncore or cottagecore or vampirecore or fairycore? It's all valid and we're all special. You've got data, we want to sell it, and you've got money we want you to spend. So make some more TikToks doing a dance in some KillStar clothes that'll fall apart next washing cycle and pretend you've got tourette's for clout or get off the internet.
The dystopian living corpse of western society is much easier to tolerate when you accept everything is dead. Its not gonna get better until the hellspawn at the top quit their necromancy and let it rest.

I think what makes a feminist varies wildly depending on what kind you are talking to. I have a very oldschool wiccan outlook on feminism- not a separatist or a libfem. I'm not really one of those stick it to the man free the nipple types. Being an anti sex work goddess worship feminist is a weird line to walk these days. It makes a lot of normie dudes recoil and a lot of women don't like it because it's not PC.
Its unique yes, but still rootless and spiritually bankrupt and easy to subvert. The system is already promoting a "do what thou wilt" flavored Gnosticism. Hollow spiritualism and magic is an apple that falls close to the demonic tree.

should this just be a general goth thread?
I vote yes, though im not sure how general we want to get with it
 
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Its unique yes, but still rootless and spiritually bankrupt and easy to subvert. The system is already promoting a "do what thou wilt" flavored Gnosticism. Hollow spiritualism and magic is an apple that falls close to the demonic tree.

what's an example of a stance that isn't spiritually bankrupt in your eyes? I don't really think you could categorize my belief system as hollow without knowing me first.
 
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Looks like my post got axed in the hacks. Was it you @Outer Heaven who responded to what I said about commodified subcultures being gatekeeped with progressive politics/social engineered in a similar manner as industry plants in the music scene? If so, I appreciated how you brought up the CIA's funding of subversive modern art, and I wanted to add to your point of the radical progressives getting absorbed into the system by mentioning the Weather Underground.

Could you possibly restate your point about progressive ideals lacking independent agency despite the supposedly diverse groups championing it? I felt it really hit the mark on my biggest gripes with these supposed "counter cultures" but I've always had a difficult time properly expressing it.
 
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Could you possibly restate your point about progressive ideals lacking independent agency despite the supposedly diverse groups championing it? I felt it really hit the mark on my biggest gripes with these supposed "counter cultures" but I've always had a difficult time properly expressing it.
Sure. Progressivism is the chosen ideology of the global liberal elite. While progressivism champions diversity, the diversity it promotes is ultimately hollow because it is diversity of appearance rather than diversity of essence. In a progressive place, you can get multiculturalism but everyone no matter their heritage or ethnicity ultimately believes in the same progressive values. This is doubly true for identities that are unbound by language or race such as being a nerd, geek, goth, punk etc since anyone can identify with them. This homogenisation is ultimately to the benefit of the financial elite who want to control you and sell you product because it is much easier to cater to and control a consumer base that shares the same values. In our current capitalist system, the only thing that distinguishes one person from another is the marketable identity they put on and the products they consume. None of these identities have any authentic roots or ideals that differentiate them from any other liberal identity.

When it comes to alt movements this watering down is by design as many of them had tendencies that were destructive to the financial class. Regardless of whether you think leftist ideas are right or wrong its undeniable that the more revolutionary segment of the left that was willing to burn down buildings and start riots was a liability. For this reason, their revolutionary energy was coopted by the elite to form the current set of progressive values that the state itself employs. This subversion encompasses everything from political activists to artists on the left. A similar thing was done with the far right on the political level to form the neoconservative republican party we have today, channelling nationalist energy into pro business libertarianism. Ultimately all of this benefits "big business" or capital or the financial elite or the people who own the banks or whatever you want to call them.
 
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