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glam rock, "teenage rampage", creatives? (to create new future visions)
Yeah, those are good- I don't mean at all to undersell or overlook the creative visions that Gen Z already has. Gen Z has a great deal of unique aphorisms, culture, etc. but it isn't understood or catalogued by older generations, who just dismiss it. Step one in building a healthy, functional generation might be recognizing the contributions to culture which have already been made. I'd say the biggest difference between Gen Z and previous generations is that we don't value the individual. We don't have any celebrities- at least not yet- who are distinct, recognizable people with unique outlooks. Moreso our culture is a collective soupy hodgepodge which places ideologies over individuals. That might not necessarily be unworkable, it might even lead to great results- but we need to refine and understand it.
 
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"[T]he Prussian Education System is beneficial to the vast majority of relatively normal people... but it leaves the creative few stuck."

I've read a fair amount of education literature (planning on homeschooling kiddos) including this theory and I don't totally agree with this. I think it's certainly a major contributing factor. But if you look at other education systems like Montessori and Waldorf, they come with their own problems. I think there will be issues with any schooling system because you are always going to benefit a majority of people while leaving some stuck no matter the system.

Like the post does say though, mentorship (focused attention) is the way. But that's infeasible in our current society.
Infeasible because libtards would shit bricks if we started investing in high outlier prospects at the cost of fewer programs for dem strugglin members of the communitay.

I've read all the different educational theorists and idealists and looked at the past successful systems. You know what the Prussian system and the British Grammars and Boarding Schools had in common? They were both systems built for purpose. These were education systems built with serious goals in mind which needed objective results which could be objectively measured. Their results were excellent by what we might consider general standards because they were serving rather high and excellent purposes. The Prussians wanted reliable and professional imperial stock for the survival and growth of their society against very real and immediate threats, with potential serious economic growth on the table as returns for hard and serious work. They worked towards that and got it. The British needed rulers and leaders for their global empire. These people had to be hard, capable, and superior, which demanded a certain level of humanist cultivation in addition to practical training and conditioning.

The British experiment with Grammar Schooling is of particular interest to me. The best of old standards, formerly a privilege of the higher classes, was opened up to all on the basis of merit (intelligence testing in childhood earning one a place in these schools). This had predictably great results in that a smart child from a dull family and community could be rescued and earn the mental tools to climb higher through society to a place that was a better fit for them. And there was a general proliferation of intelligence and culture through British society. A decent balance of excellent practical education and intellectual cultivation (top level british high school graduates were considered the equivalent of Americans who had completed undergraduate at college) with humanist teaching (these students learned their classics and history at a level we would consider impossible now) was creating a new general standard of human excellence in the broad upper fifth or so of society.

This was a brilliant system... but where did it go? Like pretty much everything that worked in England it was destroyed by an alliance of professional and empowered libtards from above and angry human garbage from below. Poorfags were mad that their children failed the test to get in, while libtards hated that they basically had a selective elite-cultivating institution in the centre of their society, where there should have been more global "GAYmer word" communism instead.

This thing obviously worked, but a lot of people disliked it, and the people for it were in the odd spot of not being able to make an urgent case for its continued existence. Obviously it's good, we have the statistics and so on, but if the other side is shrill and mean enough what can you do? Peter Hitchens, a man who laments the death of england for a living, wrote a book on the subject. The key line of his that he often repeats that I consider essential is that the grammar school trained boys for the management of an empire that no longer existed.

The primary reason grammar schooling could be destroyed was because there was no immediate practical need for human elites. No sense of urgent pressure from the world. Nothing anybody felt anxious about losing or eager to take. Britain's exhausting pyrhhic victory in WW2 left them comfortably hollowed out and disenfranchised on the world stage. You need big muscles if there's a fight you're planning on showing up at. But WW2 was in the eyes of many the last fight. From here what's left to do? What is a nation's strength in a world with no real fighting left? We're either waiting for marx's perfect social science predictions to kick in and bring in the new order, or we just kind of recognise we lost everything and america and the soviets are top dogs now and all we can aspire to is status and comfort.

And as for American education, the prussian inspired system was pursued and forced upon the American people so heavily because at one point America's elites were very purpose oriented. And that purpose was basically global communism. I agree with Moldbug that the American out of touch and oversocialised elites were the first and truest communists, with the bolshevik revolution being a retarded feral bastard-child they sort of inspired and felt obliged to try adopting and taming out of a mixture of guilt and naivete. Bolshevism is to yankee communism sort of like what Koreans do to Christianity to what we know.

Libertarian conspiracy theorist (and excellent teacher) John Gatto liked to talk about the prussianification of American schooling and how it was unpopular and forced. He liked this story for the heavy vindication of his own politics. The problem is too much reaching in from above. He was correct in general that heavy reaching in from above is a problem. But I believe America's education is actually far more top heavy, intrusive, and unnatural than any of the systems that inspired it. This being because it is an absolutely gigantic institution, which lost its reason for existence. Making it something which would naturally be overtaken by a combination of bureaucratic rot and the neurotic whims of said bureaucrats.

Prussia was teaching for its local empire. America was teaching for its new global one. But the dream of the global neutered barracks-planet died with the realisation that Stalin was too feral to tame and that humanity had too many intractable problems for unification to be so clean or easy or within reach. But the machine kept rolling, losing focus and parts as idealistic weirdos realised piece by piece that certain parts no longer had any point. Why bother with classics and heavy humanism? We've given up on any unique or distinct culture worth bearing, so fuck it, "GAYmer word" studies is a university degree and teaching latin is racist. The inertia of WW2 (heavy high stakes era) and The Cold War provided strong incentives to keep up with STEM, but as that fizzles down and eventually ends we lose more incentive. What do we need a powerful engineer class for? Math makes L'Jarius feel bad about himself. And so on.

Where I disagree with Gatto and his libertarianism is that I don't reject all planning and subjugation. I don't reject the idea of hard human enculturation. He is right in his own approach. Subjection to a pointless, boring, vestigial bureaucratic process is not good for the development of human mind and character. His kind of free-form distributed mentorship approach worked excellently wherever he applied it. If we were a kind of open hearted society with no greater concerns, trying to produce more Gattos and give one to everyone could be a great idea.

But I don't know if we are. Or if that's possible. My point is that you can't have schooling without a notion of a social mission. And despite being a kind of Libertarian Gatto did in fact have one. For one he was a libertarian. He valued human freedom and empowerment. And for another he was a Roman Catholic. He believed in the sacraments of the church, and believed in creating people worthy of them. Because Gatto was an intelligent and good natured white man his standards were very broad. I believe that part of Catholicism's appeal to good and intelligent people is that it believes everyone can make it and belong together.

Soft natured men of the right have been pitching variations on this angle for some time now, with the standard response from the left being something along the lines of "ARRRGHHHHHHH STOP RAPING ME GLOBAL SOUTH AFRICA NOW AHHHHHHHHHH".

There is not going to be a good mass program without anything short of some kind of revolution after which the phenomena of "leftism" mortifyingly evil in the mass mind. We are never coming to good terms with these people.

America's educational standards are incoherent and mostly dominated by bad forces because America's mission as an entity is incoherent and increasingly dominated by bad forces. Why does American schooling exist? In any sane state that question should have the same answer as "why does America exist?" Ask yourself this about any society, "why does it exist?" Do things start making sense from here?

As for mentorship and private tutouring, same question on an individual scale. If you are going to teach one child, we go further than "what is child?", we should ask "why does this child exist?" Is anybody even brave enough to ask that anymore? I doubt it. Is it even legal to ask such questions anymore?

Perhaps you follow The Discourse on twitter. Did you see the phrase "the purpose of a system is what it does" take off as a meme?
 
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America's educational standards are incoherent and mostly dominated by bad forces because America's mission as an entity is incoherent and increasingly dominated by bad forces. Why does American schooling exist? In any sane state that question should have the same answer as "why does America exist?" Ask yourself this about any society, "why does it exist?" Do things start making sense from here?
but isnt this what brought us these libtards, critics, CRT, Frankfurt school and all the gender-id? they were first to ask (well, after Plato and those) "why is it there?". and when they started to question reality they lived in and practice what they preached (humanity wasnt ready for this), it lead to group of beatniks and later 60s sex revoultion and first LGBT+++ people started to come out publicly, but were shun in and it goes in in circles. they criticized gender vs sex ideology. right-wing hate them because they see them as jews, but i don care. would happen anytime anyways, you cant stop what was always there - the questions had to be answered sooner, or later...

(i made all this all up)
 
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from related thread about Young men, and, Videogames...
lot of young men have realized that they're being fucked over even if they didn't have the education to understand how or why they were fucked, and that their refusal to play the rigged game of late-stage capitalism in favor of more comprehensible games that more reliably provided the rewards they promised was justifiable.

shift in culture (How old are you/Age range Thread) :
There's something my friend and I have kind of been calling the "boomer world", which we're approaching the end of. Culturally it can be defined by televised mass broadcast media and conventional media distribution centers (buying/renting movies, brick and mortar record stores etc.). There's a consistent frame of references available in mass culture, which is heavily drawn on in things like the Simpsons, a Gen X phenomenon. Gen X, I believe, drew heavily on and considered itself a part of the boomerworld continuity. They DO have reverence for what came before, Bob Dylan, Lou Reed etc. that sort of thing, what Gen X was doing culturally was part of this continuity, their rock groups were their own answer to Jimi Hendrix and Led Zeppelin. Being interviewed in Rolling Stone would be a mark of legitimacy to a Gen X artist, as it would have to a boomer era artist, but now rock'n'roll no longer exists. Rolling Stone magazine means absolutely nothing to Gen Z (and why would it).

Millennials are a transitional generation between boomerworld continuity and Gen Z, who largely do not view themselves as having anything at all to do with this cultural continuity and mostly don't respect it. Which makes sense, since growing up millennials had one foot in the old world and one foot in the digital world (I listened to Jimi Hendrix and Zeppelin CDs while posting on AOL instant messenger). Gen Z grew up in a world of largely digital reference points. They do not give a shit about Bob Dylan and rightly so. But something can of course be said for continuity. Gen X, as beneficiaries of it had an incredibly robust and impressive culture industry because boomerworld was still in place (you went to buy your Cocteau Twins or Prodigy records at the local record store still) despite being the smaller generation in terms of population. They had mass culture to draw on as participants (MTV) or to use as a vehicle for ridicule and parody (Simpsons, Seinfeld etc). Nearly every modern genre of music from rap to black metal to every single type of electronic music was invented by Gen X.

As boomerworld began to start fading, you have the reluctant and awkward emergence of millennial culture, which is quite insecure and has a tendency toward a generic mean (MGMT, Mumford & Son, Imagine Dragons and other lameass millennial cringe). Less soulless iterations of millennial culture might be indie pop and glitchtronica, which still exhibit conscious awkwardness. Without the benefit of this previous mass infrastructure culture naturally floundered. There's also a general tendency of the millennial generation, especially with the rise of online distribution, toward "unmainstreaming". An all encompassing mainstream culture doesn't exist anymore, so zoomer cultural output is incredibly atomized, which by its nature leads to a high degree of parasociality, simply as a means of survival if nothing else. Like millennials, they are tasked with having to re-invent the wheel, albeit one that doesn't need to try to fit the chassis of the old system. So in relation to previous eras of culture and self-conception within cultural production, these 3 groups are quite distinct, even if they can be lumped into "old world" (Boomers, Gen X) and "new world" (Millennials, Gen Z) categories.

Every day it seems I read about some vestige of boomerworld, which growing up seemed like a permanent fixture, going extinct. This is happening rapidly right now especially in the realm of publishing, with former pillars of reliable, multigenerational stability like National Geographic or MAD magazine closing operations.

If ever one needed evidence for the reality of a deep and pervasive cultural crisis, anti-natalism and the generalized benefits of non-existence as philosophical and ethical positions are it. It's like a kind of insanity. I sincerely hope no one takes them as anything other than diversionary thought experiments. If not, fuck me, we are fucked up. (Of course, there's nothing wrong with not wanting kids on an individual level.)

So ends my stunning philosophical insight.
 
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I've noticed this sentiment when I've read or watched commentary on films like "500 Days of Summer" and "Scott Pilgrim vs. the World". For some reason people interpert these film as anti-romantic, saying things like "both Scott and Ramona are terrible people", "Tom is selfish". And it's funny, because in both of these stories characters overcome all the prejudices and find the true love.
And how a lot of people hate "boomer" music like The Beatles, because of the love songs and their unrealistic expectations on relationship.
It is just that romantic love and it's thrill and passion is one of many things that we are getting robbed by our conformal and materialistic culture. It seems that the things that in the past was treated as nobel and spiritual are just the matter of psychiatry nowdays.

Yes stole m

yes you stole my words
Its as if tried to excuse art or existence by these science bs
How can we tell speak preach science when
Nature dont need that ´ it just is
If universe works in our meagible sorts of POV
it is then extra stupid or evil or either have bo emotions
We have all ´ but there is nothing to prove here
We sex and we have urges etc but it is who we are ´ it was there first
No reason no excuse
If man teied to do man as universé god dis it´ we wont be movin anywheré esp in this hypermoralist´ cult elitist´ stupid philosophical ´´all has meaning´´ new reality
Feels fake and psyop imho...
 
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I would consider Gen Z gentle or retarded giants. Imagine the power they wield and how much more will come after the inverse birth pyramid will die out. Most of us grow up in one of the most peaceful times in the history of mankind.
The schools aren't adapted to handle that. (So a silent reform is taking place.) Another rise of the politicalized classroom, the propagating teacher, war mongrels and profiteers. But my view on this matter could be influenced by the recent watching of 1864. So I mostly agree with Antoine.

As Einstein puts it: Education is what isn't forgotten. My take on schools is: You get everything needed for most jobs and can forget the things you don't at the door. But I'm frustrated about how much time everything takes/needs and try my best to simply accelerate things.
We require a better way to introduce change into the "schooling pipeline"... To give citizens more options on how to engage schooling would bring us more and faster results than to ruin one generation after another. The beloved term diversity would apply here.
The only system I trust, is the one where I can make up my own options. (Server rules; If god forbids, it would not be possible)

(It's always impossible until someone does it)
I believe, most generations look fearful into the future. Until some pioneers (influencers) come back and explain, most won't know what to do. They sit and sulk, grinding in the machine. New ideas arrive rapidly but only apply slowly, waiting for the old ones to die out. So why even bother? Do you see how you become the villain?

Yeah, those are good- I don't mean at all to undersell or overlook the creative visions that Gen Z already has. Gen Z has a great deal of unique aphorisms, culture, etc. but it isn't understood or catalogued by older generations, who just dismiss it. Step one in building a healthy, functional generation might be recognizing the contributions to culture which have already been made. I'd say the biggest difference between Gen Z and previous generations is that we don't value the individual. We don't have any celebrities- at least not yet- who are distinct, recognizable people with unique outlooks. Moreso our culture is a collective soupy hodgepodge which places ideologies over individuals. That might not necessarily be unworkable, it might even lead to great results- but we need to refine and understand it.
Since god is dead, we kill idols (influencers) at an alarming rate.
I heard a quote similar to:"A wise man sees a young man struggling with the same challenges he once faced, knowing that through overcoming them, the young man will grow wiser."
Do the older ones push us to add strength, to form our character or is it really just Machiavellian tendencies?

Infeasible because libtards would shit bricks if we started investing in high outlier prospects at the cost of fewer programs for dem strugglin members of the communitay.

I've read all the different educational theorists and idealists and looked at the past successful systems. You know what the Prussian system and the British Grammars and Boarding Schools had in common? They were both systems built for purpose. These were education systems built with serious goals in mind which needed objective results which could be objectively measured. Their results were excellent by what we might consider general standards because they were serving rather high and excellent purposes. The Prussians wanted reliable and professional imperial stock for the survival and growth of their society against very real and immediate threats, with potential serious economic growth on the table as returns for hard and serious work. They worked towards that and got it. The British needed rulers and leaders for their global empire. These people had to be hard, capable, and superior, which demanded a certain level of humanist cultivation in addition to practical training and conditioning.

The British experiment with Grammar Schooling is of particular interest to me. The best of old standards, formerly a privilege of the higher classes, was opened up to all on the basis of merit (intelligence testing in childhood earning one a place in these schools). This had predictably great results in that a smart child from a dull family and community could be rescued and earn the mental tools to climb higher through society to a place that was a better fit for them. And there was a general proliferation of intelligence and culture through British society. A decent balance of excellent practical education and intellectual cultivation (top level british high school graduates were considered the equivalent of Americans who had completed undergraduate at college) with humanist teaching (these students learned their classics and history at a level we would consider impossible now) was creating a new general standard of human excellence in the broad upper fifth or so of society.

This was a brilliant system... but where did it go? Like pretty much everything that worked in England it was destroyed by an alliance of professional and empowered libtards from above and angry human garbage from below. Poorfags were mad that their children failed the test to get in, while libtards hated that they basically had a selective elite-cultivating institution in the centre of their society, where there should have been more global "GAYmer word" communism instead.

This thing obviously worked, but a lot of people disliked it, and the people for it were in the odd spot of not being able to make an urgent case for its continued existence. Obviously it's good, we have the statistics and so on, but if the other side is shrill and mean enough what can you do? Peter Hitchens, a man who laments the death of england for a living, wrote a book on the subject. The key line of his that he often repeats that I consider essential is that the grammar school trained boys for the management of an empire that no longer existed.

The primary reason grammar schooling could be destroyed was because there was no immediate practical need for human elites. No sense of urgent pressure from the world. Nothing anybody felt anxious about losing or eager to take. Britain's exhausting pyrhhic victory in WW2 left them comfortably hollowed out and disenfranchised on the world stage. You need big muscles if there's a fight you're planning on showing up at. But WW2 was in the eyes of many the last fight. From here what's left to do? What is a nation's strength in a world with no real fighting left? We're either waiting for marx's perfect social science predictions to kick in and bring in the new order, or we just kind of recognise we lost everything and america and the soviets are top dogs now and all we can aspire to is status and comfort.

And as for American education, the prussian inspired system was pursued and forced upon the American people so heavily because at one point America's elites were very purpose oriented. And that purpose was basically global communism. I agree with Moldbug that the American out of touch and oversocialised elites were the first and truest communists, with the bolshevik revolution being a retarded feral bastard-child they sort of inspired and felt obliged to try adopting and taming out of a mixture of guilt and naivete. Bolshevism is to yankee communism sort of like what Koreans do to Christianity to what we know.

Libertarian conspiracy theorist (and excellent teacher) John Gatto liked to talk about the prussianification of American schooling and how it was unpopular and forced. He liked this story for the heavy vindication of his own politics. The problem is too much reaching in from above. He was correct in general that heavy reaching in from above is a problem. But I believe America's education is actually far more top heavy, intrusive, and unnatural than any of the systems that inspired it. This being because it is an absolutely gigantic institution, which lost its reason for existence. Making it something which would naturally be overtaken by a combination of bureaucratic rot and the neurotic whims of said bureaucrats.

Prussia was teaching for its local empire. America was teaching for its new global one. But the dream of the global neutered barracks-planet died with the realisation that Stalin was too feral to tame and that humanity had too many intractable problems for unification to be so clean or easy or within reach. But the machine kept rolling, losing focus and parts as idealistic weirdos realised piece by piece that certain parts no longer had any point. Why bother with classics and heavy humanism? We've given up on any unique or distinct culture worth bearing, so fuck it, "GAYmer word" studies is a university degree and teaching latin is racist. The inertia of WW2 (heavy high stakes era) and The Cold War provided strong incentives to keep up with STEM, but as that fizzles down and eventually ends we lose more incentive. What do we need a powerful engineer class for? Math makes L'Jarius feel bad about himself. And so on.

Where I disagree with Gatto and his libertarianism is that I don't reject all planning and subjugation. I don't reject the idea of hard human enculturation. He is right in his own approach. Subjection to a pointless, boring, vestigial bureaucratic process is not good for the development of human mind and character. His kind of free-form distributed mentorship approach worked excellently wherever he applied it. If we were a kind of open hearted society with no greater concerns, trying to produce more Gattos and give one to everyone could be a great idea.

But I don't know if we are. Or if that's possible. My point is that you can't have schooling without a notion of a social mission. And despite being a kind of Libertarian Gatto did in fact have one. For one he was a libertarian. He valued human freedom and empowerment. And for another he was a Roman Catholic. He believed in the sacraments of the church, and believed in creating people worthy of them. Because Gatto was an intelligent and good natured white man his standards were very broad. I believe that part of Catholicism's appeal to good and intelligent people is that it believes everyone can make it and belong together.

Soft natured men of the right have been pitching variations on this angle for some time now, with the standard response from the left being something along the lines of "ARRRGHHHHHHH STOP RAPING ME GLOBAL SOUTH AFRICA NOW AHHHHHHHHHH".

There is not going to be a good mass program without anything short of some kind of revolution after which the phenomena of "leftism" mortifyingly evil in the mass mind. We are never coming to good terms with these people.

America's educational standards are incoherent and mostly dominated by bad forces because America's mission as an entity is incoherent and increasingly dominated by bad forces. Why does American schooling exist? In any sane state that question should have the same answer as "why does America exist?" Ask yourself this about any society, "why does it exist?" Do things start making sense from here?

As for mentorship and private tutouring, same question on an individual scale. If you are going to teach one child, we go further than "what is child?", we should ask "why does this child exist?" Is anybody even brave enough to ask that anymore? I doubt it. Is it even legal to ask such questions anymore?

Perhaps you follow The Discourse on twitter. Did you see the phrase "the purpose of a system is what it does" take off as a meme?
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Perhaps you are right. I'm interested in your solution of a new globalistic school. What does the world need now!?

I believe that if exclusion and choice became protected rights a number of potentially brilliant solutions might start emerging. Several schools which exclude via money and location are able to do better. British elite Private Schooling is still quite solid. The Grammars weren't allowed to discriminate on merit, but british leftists tolerate good schools excluding on money.

As I kind of alluded to in the Steiner thread, I think it'd be great if people could just make their own schools and we let the results speak for themselves. A spread of purpose oriented educations. Some already exist. We see fundamentalist islamist schooling for example. It produces human garbage. Fundamentalist Jew education. Human garbage. Steiner Schools. Weirdos. Christian Homeschooling communes. Weirdos who turn into gigahicklibs in reaction and then set themselves on fire for tiktok memes. Let humanity keep trying and someone will get it right.

You could say allowing so many potentially horrific failures to proliferate would be cruel. But my answer, the standard solution is already horrific. I would prefer free market insanity to top-down imposed monoculture insanity.

This is of course my solution for what we'll euphemistically call open societies of the 21st century. If any real country wanted to stabilise itself and operate as a national project again my answer would probably be to just recreate british grammar schooling and its peers.
 
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I would consider Gen Z gentle or retarded giants. Imagine the power they wield and how much more will come after the inverse birth pyramid will die out. Most of us grow up in one of the most peaceful times in the history of mankind.
The schools aren't adapted to handle that. (So a silent reform is taking place.) Another rise of the politicalized classroom, the propagating teacher, war mongrels and profiteers. But my view on this matter could be influenced by the recent watching of 1864. So I mostly agree with Antoine.

As Einstein puts it: Education is what isn't forgotten. My take on schools is: You get everything needed for most jobs and can forget the things you don't at the door. But I'm frustrated about how much time everything takes/needs and try my best to simply accelerate things.
We require a better way to introduce change into the "schooling pipeline"... To give citizens more options on how to engage schooling would bring us more and faster results than to ruin one generation after another. The beloved term diversity would apply here.
The only system I trust, is the one where I can make up my own options. (Server rules; If god forbids, it would not be possible)

(It's always impossible until someone does it)
I believe, most generations look fearful into the future. Until some pioneers (influencers) come back and explain, most won't know what to do. They sit and sulk, grinding in the machine. New ideas arrive rapidly but only apply slowly, waiting for the old ones to die out. So why even bother? Do you see how you become the villain?


Since god is dead, we kill idols (influencers) at an alarming rate.
I heard a quote similar to:"A wise man sees a young man struggling with the same challenges he once faced, knowing that through overcoming them, the young man will grow wiser."
Do the older ones push us to add strength, to form our character or is it really just Machiavellian tendencies?


Perhaps you are right. I'm interested in your solution of a new globalistic school. What does the world need now!?

I don't see why killing God would necessitate the loss of individual human celebrities. After all, if we slaughter Yahweh, we can worship all the false idols we want. This is why I think it's very important to espouse the values of Secular Humanism among the young crowd, such that they understand it's OK to appreciate the output of real human beings.
 
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Yeah, those are good- I don't mean at all to undersell or overlook the creative visions that Gen Z already has. Gen Z has a great deal of unique aphorisms, culture, etc. but it isn't understood or catalogued by older generations, who just dismiss it. Step one in building a healthy, functional generation might be recognizing the contributions to culture which have already been made. I'd say the biggest difference between Gen Z and previous generations is that we don't value the individual. We don't have any celebrities- at least not yet- who are distinct, recognizable people with unique outlooks. Moreso our culture is a collective soupy hodgepodge which places ideologies over individuals. That might not necessarily be unworkable, it might even lead to great results- but we need to refine and understand it.
I'm not sure a "healthy, functional generation" can really exist, since they, as invented by Karl Mannheim, only are really defined by bad or disruptive things happening to a cohort of people, in turn affecting future generations based on how they react. Perhaps the healthiest generation is one that doesn't screw up the world bad enough to create further generation-defining events.

I don't think Gen-Z can really contribute to "culture" because there is no longer anything common to bind people except living in the same economic zone called a "country". There are absolutely no pressures on me to start saying "on Jah" and listening to Lil Uzi because good taste is in a complete anarchic state right now, and the old institutions that used to have the monopoly on what people did, watched, read, etc. barely even exist. Instead, algorithms tell us to embrace hyper-specific interests that makes everyone a foreigner to everyone else. The downfall of the celebrity is from people no longer all caring about one thing together. Can zoomerkids still create works of art? Yes, but they won't be universally popular. Instead of a return to the 20th Century monoculture I find it more likely there will be fracturing, as small weird identities gain traction and fight with each other.
 

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Your first mistake was thinking that you're entitled to anything. Culture has always been the top dogs' bitch. You can see this in the transformation of "culture" from the feudalists' impotent baroque masturbation to the even more insufferable wank that was early bourgeois nationalism, to the even more insufferable wank that was impressionism etc. etc... Since the late 1800s "culture" has been a consoomer's shitfuck to be bought and sold to the proto-hitlerite "middle class", and that process of consoomifying art has only snowballed. "Art" and "culture" no longer have any pretentious dickwad value in and of themselves, but only value in how much they sell for. That's why we've recently seen the total obliteration of what little specks of joy could be found in this nightmare called the internet, because the pedophilic masturbatory death march of the bourgeois has begun metaphorically pissing and shitting hot steamy liquid over any old frameworks; buying up domains, consolidating the flow of information between a few large partners. It isn't right to call it "technofeudalism" because we aren't even allowed to slack off as much as feudal peasants did; the internet is slowly being absorbed into a few massive cybercartels. These cartels' castrated public forums strip away individuality to a profile picture and handle, flood the user with a mindless sewage spill of "content", and don't allow them the time or resources to think for a while, just keep scrolling... Yes, the modern cartel is designed to provoke aggression in its users, the drawing of battle lines, the psychic train of addiction through petty likes and follows, we know, we've all seen the sheer brainlessness of the average Xitter user, who has staked out lines on le Culture War issue of the day, the same bloodlust showing as the smug androids that run these shitholes collect their money from idiots. The technocratic cartels of today obey the same principles as those of early-1900s Germany— Phoebus' lightbulb killings and the like— and like Phoebus they march towards war, because that's where the money is. And these won't be the chudjak manly trad wars of Macedon or Rome, no, these wars will be automated on ChatGPT-9/11 and shitcoin deposits as the bunch of fat bastards that are the ringleaders smoke pot and masturbate, observing a field of infant corpses, their soldiers.
 
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A quick google search of this question gives a resounding answer: "No, IDIOT!"

The reason given for why the economy isn't zero sum is "wealth creation", a nebulous ill-defined concept which I'm not entirely sure exists, at least not in the way it's usually touted. A common explanation of why wealth creation ensures a positive sum world usually sounds like this:

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Human ingenuity created something out of nothing which made all of our lives better. Hooray! Your average prole has access to technological wonders that Henry VIII and Louis XIV could only dream of. Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed in a Honda Civic.

This conveniently ignores what it costs, and to me seems motivated by ideological adherence to the American religion of Fordism.

Many free market ideologies tend to have a big blind spot (no pun intended!): roads. Never mentioned is the incredible expenditure on road infrastructure by governments, AKA taxpayers, who have to both build and maintain them in order for there to be anything to drive on. In the US this amounts to something like 218 billion annually, and since many states are expanding their highway systems, building and maintenance costs only rise. Many cities in the US, especially small, remote and poor ones, have exhausted their budgets trying to maintain this infrastructure, and very crucially it comes at the expense of mass transit systems, which extremely few cities in the US manage to invest in. The budget for roads and transit both have to come from the limited coffers of the department of transportation.

How car-centric planning changes cities can be seen in this photo of Houston. But it's happened all over the country.
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Accomodating motorists with parking lots and ever increasing lanes ends up destroying dense, efficient, functional plans and turns them into stripmall wastelands. Sprawl becomes inevitable, wasting valuable real estate (a finite resource) and increasing travel times between locations as well as congestion.

The congestion question is an important one, because the average US worker spends about an hour a day commuting to and from work. That's an hour of unpaid work-related activity that comes directly out of their free time. As congestion has increased the time commuted has gone up 27% since 1980. Unlike a long commute on a train, the driver has to pay attention to the road, whereas a transit commuter can read, watch something on his phone, shitpost on agora road etc. So the quality of the time spent in this type of commute should also be taken into consideration.

The cost of car ownership and maintenance has continued to rise, and since so much of US infrastructure all but requires a vehicle, these effects are felt disproportionately based on income. Not all jobsites will be serviced by transit, and walking isn't really an option.

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Many newly manufactured cars are designed in such a way that they require expensive specialized repair.

Emissions are well understood as a pollutor, unless you for ideological reason decide to believe that it's impossible for the burning of billions of tons of fuel to have any effect on the atmosphere. There are types of emissions that are less widely perceived. For instance, CO2 forms carbonic acid that ends up in the ocean, raising its pH level. Tire wear accounts for 6 million tons of microplastics pollution annually, accounting for almost 80% of the microplastic pollution in the ocean.

Lastly, the world's crudes oil reserves are a cost as well, since they're a finite resource, indispensable to our modern way of life. Around 2006-ish people were introduced to the idea that we might have reached peak oil production. This turned out to not be the case, since deregulation of fracking and horizontal well drilling meant the US could not only continue but increase its fossil fuel extraction. But this doesn't disprove the idea of peak oil, there's only so much in those wells, even if change in regulation allows for new (and riskier) types of drilling. A debate very much like the one 15 years ago is going on currently, but it seems inevitable that at some point we will reach the point where the energy cost of extracting oil exceeds the value of the energy extracted. Free marketists will say that the market will compensate for this by making oil extremely expensive so we'll be able to continue extracting it, which is probably true, but inexpensive reserves of efficient fuel is the entire basis of modern civilization, so crisis seems inevitable.

Now I'm not writing all of this because I hate cars (although I pretty much do), it's just one example of how facile the idea of wealth creation is, at least in this common example. It seems that the invention of the internal combustion engine has "created wealth" by:
1. forcing taxpayers to invest gargantuan sums of money in infrastructure, in many places at the expense of public transit
2. forcing citizens to cede their communities to accommodate motorists through car-centric urban planning
3. taxing worker's limited leisure time by making them commute using this infrastructure
4. taxing worker's money with ownership and maintenance costs
5. taxing future generations with catastrophic environmental problems
6. depleting the world's only reserve of fossil fuel

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Has wealth really been created here? Or are we in actuality all left footing a large bill? Some people got rich off of these developments of course, but collectively there seems to be a pretty hefty price tag. The convenience has come with a great deal of inconvenience, and the wealth has been saddled with considerable costs. There's an idea that the pie can continue to grow infinitely, but ours is a world of limits. We don't live in minecraft.

That the economy is "positive-sum" and works for everyone's benefit seems dubious when you take into account the wealth transfer happening under everyone's noses right now. Not only is the wealth of billionaires growing, but so is their number. And for the first time since statistics of this kind have been recorded, more are getting their wealth by inheritance than by wealth creation. And of all the wealth created, it seems a record amount is going to the richest anyway. This is happening during a cost-of-living crisis and what's widely being called the Death of the Middle Class. Could the two possibly be connected? As pointed out in the Gospel of Matthew "For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away." We're told that one person's gain doesn't come at another person's loss, but everyday experience, going all the way back to the time of Matthew the Evangelist and beyond, seems to paint a different picture. Free market absolutists like Hayek consider losses to be as important to the economy as gains, they're two sides of the same coin according to him.

Am I going crazy here? Are we all being gaslit? In a world of finite resources and where increase in the money supply always results in inflation it just seems inevitable that one person's gain has to occur at someone else's loss. According to every google result, this is a profoundly ignorant and even outright dangerous sour grapes attitude but I'm not so sure...

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I've been in the back of a few board rooms - both real and virtual - and I've learned that advertising is exploitative and sociopathic (duh).

Here are some examples, mostly from gamedev.

The average phone/browser has a unique ad id which tracks users between sites (like insta/youtube) and apps.

They use this to work out whether their ad campaign was successful (i.e. did customer 1 see our ad and then download the app?).

They also use analytics provided by google to know audience interests. i.e. their market may be in the venn diagram of mountaineering and tamagotchi. Weirdly the game theme rarely matches to interests.

They may also use browser profiling (i.e. what plugins you do/don't have, what settings are on, etc to identify an individual), and I've spoken with people who actively lament privacy implementations because they hamper their hokey business model.

Most games are made based on the success of what came before.

This seems like an obvious one, but most companies aren't innovating new designs. They just see what has sold previously and make more of that. Remember Minecraft and the open world crafters that came afterwards? Remember "souls-like" games?

In a recent meeting my game was decided to be "too new and weird" and instead they showed me their flagship game about a kid and his dog with awful art made using a game template and declared it the best of that genre.

Original research and development is reserved for actual indie developers so they can take all the risk. Then the companies swoop down with a bigger ad budget and take the ideas wholesale.

Game marketers aim to be "just one of you".

Well, not one of you. A bottle of turps, a learning disorder and religious parents is all they'd need for emulating the standard Agoran.

No, this particular advice is for advertising on rebbit and Twitter etc where they encourage indie devs to talk about """their experience""" making a game and carefully hand pick the most flashy screenshots and video. All of it is fake, from the persona of the struggling artist to the carefully crafted title and the people who come in later asking for a link to the game. They'll gather a few upvotes from their employees when the post launches to make sure it starts off well.

When the quarterly profits need to look good they fire a few people.

I was told by a director that if a game wasn't going to increase its profit that year they were considering firing the team so they could retain profits for themselves and their stakeholders instead of putting it into the developers. This is mostly because they've got investor cash and the investors must be appeased. Essentially investors make an investment (duh) and want to see a return (increase) on that investment.

Attention retention is the name of the game.

A metric for success in games is how long the game is running on the target machine. As you can imagine this can lead to all kinds of fuckabouts including bigger assets to make the game take longer to load, making gameplay purposefully addictive or the odds of winning much lower.

Weirdly enough this is also a metric for success in dating apps - the longer they can leave customers dangling at the end of the hook the longer they'll be on the app, thus the more premiums they pay as they get more desperate for success.

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This is the end of my little shot of misery. Things haven't been going great for me in game dev this month and it's made me incredibly bitter, so if you want to check out and wishlist my game on Steam you can find a link here.

Of course not, you idiot. This is exactly what I warned you about. Just. One. Of. You.


I always found videos like this to just be an exaggeration of what the internet and what our ancestors went through. Yes, previous generations had it easier finding love, a family, a house even but that's due to the fact they were practically bombarded with various wars from WWII to Vietnam and the constant anxiety that the world could end at any moment with the Cold War. Profits were down because of the baby boomers and later generations prior to Gen Z but much like a website on the internet, the well of good people and opportunities dry up as more and more people use it. Soon it'll just be corporatized and controlled ironically like that Moon video (which really kinda just shows to me more about the modern state of YouTube more than anything and how corporate the community has gotten in a sense but that's off topic). It is really part of how the internet controls us really. The quick access of knowledge and ideologies leads to a over complexity of life and this doomer mentality that we will all fail and this generation has no foot to stand on due to the wells of success drying up. Its manipulation to never get you to move, to grow, to love because people will feel like it's impossible to change the status even with a movement when they never realize things take time. Sometimes we'll never even see the fruit of our labors until its too late. The world responds shockingly enough and people have acknowledged it. I have faith in this generation and the future generations to come.

You're absolutely right about this. Eventually, one day, the world will realize how shit the internet has become and will either leave or start a new service or world or even spread out. We're are no longer in the age of Web 2.0 and Web 3.0 is not some crypto scam bullshit or "metaverse". It's bullshit to trick us all into believing its some corporate bullshit. Its really all of us. Leaving these major websites, hell even leaving the Web. Growing our own communites and circles, of course at the cost of many other older communites, we're already seeing the effects of it.

>fediverse
>people moving to more underground communites and suddenly those communites getting much higher interaction than normal
>even nostalgia for the days of the early 2000s and yesterweb

Everything is changing before our eyes. We're moving back to what we lost or gaining back what we lost. We're trying to go back to a day before the internet was controlled by various profiteering groups. Back before when some dumb fuck wanted to start a patreon and we all fucking jumped the dumb fuck for even thinking about profiting off his channel. Back to *maybe* geunine human, non-algorithmic human interaction. Sure, it may never happen, but deep down I feel it. The world is changing before maybe to better world and we'll see the end of it in a new hope.

Or we all turn schizo and nuke each other after twitter users finally gain access to government postions and nuke us all to the ground because we said racial slur at some point. (I'm joking of course)
 
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Step one in building a healthy, functional generation might be recognizing the contributions to culture which have already been made.
That would require Gen Z to understand those contributions and archive them as such. It will take some time but it can happen
 
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Your first mistake was thinking that you're entitled to anything. Culture has always been the top dogs' bitch. You can see this in the transformation of "culture" from the feudalists' impotent baroque masturbation to the even more insufferable wank that was early bourgeois nationalism, to the even more insufferable wank that was impressionism etc. etc... Since the late 1800s "culture" has been a consoomer's shitfuck to be bought and sold to the proto-hitlerite "middle class", and that process of consoomifying art has only snowballed. "Art" and "culture" no longer have any pretentious dickwad value in and of themselves, but only value in how much they sell for. That's why we've recently seen the total obliteration of what little specks of joy could be found in this nightmare called the internet, because the pedophilic masturbatory death march of the bourgeois has begun metaphorically pissing and shitting hot steamy liquid over any old frameworks; buying up domains, consolidating the flow of information between a few large partners. It isn't right to call it "technofeudalism" because we aren't even allowed to slack off as much as feudal peasants did; the internet is slowly being absorbed into a few massive cybercartels. These cartels' castrated public forums strip away individuality to a profile picture and handle, flood the user with a mindless sewage spill of "content", and don't allow them the time or resources to think for a while, just keep scrolling... Yes, the modern cartel is designed to provoke aggression in its users, the drawing of battle lines, the psychic train of addiction through petty likes and follows, we know, we've all seen the sheer brainlessness of the average Xitter user, who has staked out lines on le Culture War issue of the day, the same bloodlust showing as the smug androids that run these shitholes collect their money from idiots. The technocratic cartels of today obey the same principles as those of early-1900s Germany— Phoebus' lightbulb killings and the like— and like Phoebus they march towards war, because that's where the money is. And these won't be the chudjak manly trad wars of Macedon or Rome, no, these wars will be automated on ChatGPT-9/11 and shitcoin deposits as the bunch of fat bastards that are the ringleaders smoke pot and masturbate, observing a field of infant corpses, their soldiers.
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