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Vul Lord of the Spiders: it was ultra paranoid but its not like it came from nothing
Vul Lord of the Spiders: will pearl harbor is the reason that internement camps happened and not to defend them but can you really blame america for doing it
Vul Lord of the Spiders: at least most the people in those internement camps werent murdered in cold blood like what happened to the native americans
Some_porcupine: dont he made something... with that class, something other... heard something, forgot A moment ago
Vul Lord of the Spiders:
Creechan12 said:
ehhh, I got some problems with FDR even outside the whole Japanese internment camps
honestly the internenment camps werent even the worst thing we have done but i feel that people def forget it happened and it sorta sucks that covid has made it sorta made a comeback with new asian hate +1 A moment ago
Creechan12: Teddy Roosevelt was racist against Mexicans, but to be honest that wouldn't be anything new. +1 1 minute ago
Vul Lord of the Spiders: he also turned everyone against the lower class +1 1 minute ago
Creechan12: ehhh, I got some problems with FDR even outside the whole Japanese internment camps 2 minutes ago
Vul Lord of the Spiders: FDR came up with the new deal its fucking Reagan that nerfed is so hard that is virtually useless +1 2 minutes ago
Some_porcupine: fdr wasnt that bad either maybe, if he knew thatcher or reagan - or? 2 minutes ago
Vul Lord of the Spiders:
Creechan12 said:
honestly Teddy would probably make an excellent modern president
i agree he was def one of the better presidents im also a fan of FDR 3 minutes ago
Creechan12: honestly Teddy would probably make an excellent modern president 3 minutes ago
Some_porcupine:
Vul Lord of the Spiders said:
like as long as a group of people have a common goal humanity historically reaches that goal almost every time
i noticed people are against this sipid bullshitery recently, but they are learned to ignore it... they know, theyd love to do things, but they are either too dependant, or undirected.... 3 minutes ago
Creechan12: We need a new Teddy Roosevelt to hit billionaires with big sticks 4 minutes ago
Vul Lord of the Spiders:
Some_porcupine said:
"it is easier to i mmagine the end of thw world, than the end of the capitalism"
thats different tho you dont have to end capitalism to make life less shit its just the mechanics that need reworked +1 4 minutes ago
Some_porcupine:
Vul Lord of the Spiders said:
the point im trying to make here is we can will these things if we really really wanted them we would get together and make it happen
yes, but what would we want? like, we have most of what we want, but they have more and control our means 5 minutes ago
Some_porcupine:
Vul Lord of the Spiders said:
the point im trying to make here is we can will these things if we really really wanted them we would get together and make it happen
"it is easier to i mmagine the end of thw world, than the end of the capitalism" 5 minutes ago
Vul Lord of the Spiders: like as long as a group of people have a common goal humanity historically reaches that goal almost every time +1 5 minutes ago
Some_porcupine:
Vul Lord of the Spiders said:
and this was a boatful of people vs what is essentially a small town of people
F-U-D, divide and conquer tactic 6 minutes ago
Creechan12: Race wars were so last millenia, the new cool hip thing is class war 6 minutes ago
Vul Lord of the Spiders: the point im trying to make here is we can will these things if we really really wanted them we would get together and make it happen +1 6 minutes ago
Some_porcupine:
Vul Lord of the Spiders said:
like when people were racist in the 1400's they had a common enemy to them and they literally conquered an entire race
i feel you 6 minutes ago
Some_porcupine:
Vul Lord of the Spiders said:
part of the problem is there isnt enough people collectively going after a sigular goal to fix things
so step #1 eat the rich 6 minutes ago
Vul Lord of the Spiders: and this was a boatful of people vs what is essentially a small town of people +1 7 minutes ago
Some_porcupine:
Creechan12 said
I actual use Tumblr every so often, to be honest not nearly half as bad as >reddit, it's really easy to ignore the people you don't like
well yes. tumblr is simply, more honest. its like.... its theatre kids. >reddit is like "third place" where you must begrundgely go because there is then nowhere else to go.... 7 minutes ago
Vul Lord of the Spiders: like when people were racist in the 1400's they had a common enemy to them and they literally conquered an entire race +1 7 minutes ago
Some_porcupine:
Creechan12 said:
I mean, if they don't already have the mark of Satan already on them
so we cn invoe satan because they are fakes? or? i dont get you sorry 8 minutes ago
Vul Lord of the Spiders: part of the problem is there isnt enough people collectively going after a sigular goal to fix things +1 8 minutes ago
Creechan12: I actual use Tumblr every so often, to be honest not nearly half as bad as >reddit, it's really easy to ignore the people you don't like +1 8 minutes ago
Some_porcupine:
Vul Lord of the Spiders said:
ok and but like one ant cant kill a man but if you get like a trillion of them covering your body biting you we can probably assume your fucked
then by this logic putin and his dudes would be walked over by whole russia. they got methods to get with it, places to hide... 8 minutes ago
Vul Lord of the Spiders: or like i can kill one rat but if i saw a group of rats come at me id back off they literally cant take us all on 9 minutes ago
Creechan12: I mean, if they don't already have the mark of Satan already on them 9 minutes ago
Some_porcupine:
Creechan12 said:
and thank god they do, they are predestined by god to own that 80 percent or more.
so it is their demise? 9 minutes ago
Creechan12: ah ok 9 minutes ago
Vul Lord of the Spiders:
Some_porcupine said:
but those 1% own 80%...
ok and but like one ant cant kill a man but if you get like a trillion of them covering your body biting you we can probably assume your fucked 9 minutes ago
Some_porcupine:
Creechan12 said:
I'll be honest your speaking Greek to me
it is joke about "millenial liberals from ivory tower from tumblr", if you get me 9 minutes ago
Creechan12: and thank god they do, they are predestined by god to own that 80 percent or more. 10 minutes ago
Some_porcupine:
Vul Lord of the Spiders said:
everyone forgets 99% > 1%
but those 1% own 80%... 10 minutes ago
Creechan12:
Some_porcupine said:
metamodern heteronormative maladaptive sipid demisexualism XD
I'll be honest your speaking Greek to me 10 minutes ago
Some_porcupine:
Vul Lord of the Spiders said:
well as an american what we need is more parties to rise instead of our two party system even if its rigged if you can convince everyone to avoid voting for two parties the whole thing would break even if you fake the numbers like everyone similtaniously withdrawing all their money from a bank
europe getting alt-right, and all populist. why america always export political shi(f)t 11 minutes ago
Vul Lord of the Spiders:
Creechan12 said:
I love the electoral college it does great things
everyone forgets 99% > 1% +1 11 minutes ago
Some_porcupine:
Creechan12 said:
dang didn't work
beftiful cat 11 minutes ago
Some_porcupine:
Creechan12 said:
It's dumb I hate it
metamodern heteronormative maladaptive sipid demisexualism XD 11 minutes ago
Creechan12: I love the electoral college it does great things 12 minutes ago
Vul Lord of the Spiders: well as an american what we need is more parties to rise instead of our two party system even if its rigged if you can convince everyone to avoid voting for two parties the whole thing would break even if you fake the numbers like everyone similtaniously withdrawing all their money from a bank +1 12 minutes ago
Creechan12: dang didn't work 12 minutes ago
Some_porcupine: *cranky 13 minutes ago
Some_porcupine: if you dont have actual problems, your head will make some shit up instead to be moody about 13 minutes ago
Some_porcupine: it went from important stuff, to fictional ones 14 minutes ago
Creechan12: It's dumb I hate it 14 minutes ago
Creechan12: the culture war has degraded actual policies we need to make for the continued survival of all of civilization into politicized talking points. +1 14 minutes ago
Some_porcupine:
Vul Lord of the Spiders said:
now it seems philosophy has left polotics all together
i seen "tumblr" philosophy, but it is the one, you know, the disableist moralizing, "i cant do shit because it will hurt people in africa", no dude you dont have yacht or aeroplane to flood venice or netherlands, stop it at once 14 minutes ago
Vul Lord of the Spiders: i was gonna say its all hive minded bs but same thing +1 15 minutes ago
Some_porcupine:
Vul Lord of the Spiders said:
i sorta vaugely remember a time in the pre 2010s when politics had at least some sort of philospophical morals which now have been degraded to nothing but talking points
yup 15 minutes ago
Some_porcupine: like... they live in differnet reality... in technocratic one, where lower classes are just worker ants, controllable... 16 minutes ago
Vul Lord of the Spiders: now it seems philosophy has left polotics all together +1 16 minutes ago
Vul Lord of the Spiders: i sorta vaugely remember a time in the pre 2010s when politics had at least some sort of philospophical morals which now have been degraded to nothing but talking points +1 16 minutes ago
Some_porcupine:
Vul Lord of the Spiders said:
i think the cia is just a bunch of evil dudes who want to do really fucked sciance projects
do you think what i think? (we should... i would copy chat into Lost hopes thread) 16 minutes ago
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Vul Lord of the Spiders said:
blm got commodfied so hard its just a tagline most of communism got commodfied the internet got commodfied like i could write a whole list of movements being commodofied
It's all just people trying to be morally superior to anyone they disagree with +1 17 minutes ago
Some_porcupine: it is easier to comodify movement, than to make counter one, or make false campaigns.... so lazy, subverting things 17 minutes ago
Vul Lord of the Spiders: i think the cia is just a bunch of evil dudes who want to do really fucked sciance projects +1 17 minutes ago
Some_porcupine:
Vul Lord of the Spiders said:
blm got commodfied so hard its just a tagline most of communism got commodfied the internet got commodfied like i could write a whole list of movements being commodofied
yes... darn cia, they even cant cia properly 18 minutes ago
Vul Lord of the Spiders: blm got commodfied so hard its just a tagline most of communism got commodfied the internet got commodfied like i could write a whole list of movements being commodofied +1 18 minutes ago
GENOSAD: they look nice 19 minutes ago
GENOSAD: I just like the 90s GT models +1 19 minutes ago
Some_porcupine:
Vul Lord of the Spiders said:
if greed had no role to play i sorta wonder if we could have gotten that future part of what has and is ruining the internet is addiction manufactured from greed its just a shame we cant go back and fruteger areor will be religated to just an artstyle
we got memphis color blobs now, but it is not a speck of ingenuity in it - we grew old from cotton candy veil on our eyes 19 minutes ago
Captain: Modern cars look like shit +1 19 minutes ago
Captain: Modern cars do not have the same bulbous designs as Y2K +1 19 minutes ago
Vul Lord of the Spiders: im learning that most movements have the issue of being so commodified that even anticapitalistic ideas get turned into capitolist machines +1 19 minutes ago
Some_porcupine:
Vul Lord of the Spiders said:
if greed had no role to play i sorta wonder if we could have gotten that future part of what has and is ruining the internet is addiction manufactured from greed its just a shame we cant go back and fruteger areor will be religated to just an artstyle
internet was too good in that form to be true.... it was anticapitalistic 20 minutes ago
Creechan12: I hate the bulbous designs in modern cars so so much 20 minutes ago
Creechan12: its awful 20 minutes ago
Creechan12: We already have that in cars 20 minutes ago
Captain: I want my translucent bulbous electronics 21 minutes ago
Some_porcupine: frutiger eco/corporate eco... and you see, it feels now, it took too long and was just... in aspect of past and present - just the same promise as now the e-cars or flying car, tech-zine fads are, and journobros with "scientists found out...." - if you get me 21 minutes ago
Vul Lord of the Spiders: and companies abandoning it could subconsciously imply companies have given up on the future +1 21 minutes ago
Vul Lord of the Spiders: if greed had no role to play i sorta wonder if we could have gotten that future part of what has and is ruining the internet is addiction manufactured from greed its just a shame we cant go back and fruteger areor will be religated to just an artstyle +1 21 minutes ago
Creechan12: for it just being corporate pandering for raising hopes, it did a damn good job at doing it +1 21 minutes ago
Captain: Y2K promised better things that Fruit Vista 22 minutes ago
Creechan12: I do love me some Frutiger Areo, even if the images are fucking crazy as shit, it just looks and feels refreshing for whatever reason +1 22 minutes ago
Some_porcupine:
Vul Lord of the Spiders said:
like do we long to return to the past
well yes. i think it is answer to how "frutiger aero promises" were just... false ad for "better future" - sad we dont have this, a least, tech-optimism, as we used to have; even if it was fake.... now we got any 23 minutes ago
Captain: I desire a future that never came +1 23 minutes ago
Vul Lord of the Spiders: wtf is vaporwave in that reguard 24 minutes ago
Vul Lord of the Spiders: or desire a future that never came 24 minutes ago
Some_porcupine: i wonder if anyone did it before, but even if, so does many sampled 2010s pop... or not. lets see 24 minutes ago
Vul Lord of the Spiders: like do we long to return to the past 24 minutes ago
Vul Lord of the Spiders: vaporwave is so weird now that i think about it 24 minutes ago
Creechan12: I don't see why not, it's not like Bill Gates and his Epstein ghouls will barge down your door +1 25 minutes ago
Some_porcupine: found the song that been future-funked. straiight outta funk -


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Some_porcupine: sorry for music posts... when i am in shit i cant stop 25 minutes ago
Some_porcupine: should i sample windows vista music? as vaporwave? those tracks were my early childhood

 

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Infeasible because libtards would shit bricks if we started investing in high outlier prospects at the cost of fewer programs for dem strugglin members of the communitay.

I've read all the different educational theorists and idealists and looked at the past successful systems. You know what the Prussian system and the British Grammars and Boarding Schools had in common? They were both systems built for purpose. These were education systems built with serious goals in mind which needed objective results which could be objectively measured. Their results were excellent by what we might consider general standards because they were serving rather high and excellent purposes. The Prussians wanted reliable and professional imperial stock for the survival and growth of their society against very real and immediate threats, with potential serious economic growth on the table as returns for hard and serious work. They worked towards that and got it. The British needed rulers and leaders for their global empire. These people had to be hard, capable, and superior, which demanded a certain level of humanist cultivation in addition to practical training and conditioning.

The British experiment with Grammar Schooling is of particular interest to me. The best of old standards, formerly a privilege of the higher classes, was opened up to all on the basis of merit (intelligence testing in childhood earning one a place in these schools). This had predictably great results in that a smart child from a dull family and community could be rescued and earn the mental tools to climb higher through society to a place that was a better fit for them. And there was a general proliferation of intelligence and culture through British society. A decent balance of excellent practical education and intellectual cultivation (top level british high school graduates were considered the equivalent of Americans who had completed undergraduate at college) with humanist teaching (these students learned their classics and history at a level we would consider impossible now) was creating a new general standard of human excellence in the broad upper fifth or so of society.

This was a brilliant system... but where did it go? Like pretty much everything that worked in England it was destroyed by an alliance of professional and empowered libtards from above and angry human garbage from below. Poorfags were mad that their children failed the test to get in, while libtards hated that they basically had a selective elite-cultivating institution in the centre of their society, where there should have been more global "GAYmer word" communism instead.

This thing obviously worked, but a lot of people disliked it, and the people for it were in the odd spot of not being able to make an urgent case for its continued existence. Obviously it's good, we have the statistics and so on, but if the other side is shrill and mean enough what can you do? Peter Hitchens, a man who laments the death of england for a living, wrote a book on the subject. The key line of his that he often repeats that I consider essential is that the grammar school trained boys for the management of an empire that no longer existed.

The primary reason grammar schooling could be destroyed was because there was no immediate practical need for human elites. No sense of urgent pressure from the world. Nothing anybody felt anxious about losing or eager to take. Britain's exhausting pyrhhic victory in WW2 left them comfortably hollowed out and disenfranchised on the world stage. You need big muscles if there's a fight you're planning on showing up at. But WW2 was in the eyes of many the last fight. From here what's left to do? What is a nation's strength in a world with no real fighting left? We're either waiting for marx's perfect social science predictions to kick in and bring in the new order, or we just kind of recognise we lost everything and america and the soviets are top dogs now and all we can aspire to is status and comfort.

And as for American education, the prussian inspired system was pursued and forced upon the American people so heavily because at one point America's elites were very purpose oriented. And that purpose was basically global communism. I agree with Moldbug that the American out of touch and oversocialised elites were the first and truest communists, with the bolshevik revolution being a retarded feral bastard-child they sort of inspired and felt obliged to try adopting and taming out of a mixture of guilt and naivete. Bolshevism is to yankee communism sort of like what Koreans do to Christianity to what we know.

Libertarian conspiracy theorist (and excellent teacher) John Gatto liked to talk about the prussianification of American schooling and how it was unpopular and forced. He liked this story for the heavy vindication of his own politics. The problem is too much reaching in from above. He was correct in general that heavy reaching in from above is a problem. But I believe America's education is actually far more top heavy, intrusive, and unnatural than any of the systems that inspired it. This being because it is an absolutely gigantic institution, which lost its reason for existence. Making it something which would naturally be overtaken by a combination of bureaucratic rot and the neurotic whims of said bureaucrats.

Prussia was teaching for its local empire. America was teaching for its new global one. But the dream of the global neutered barracks-planet died with the realisation that Stalin was too feral to tame and that humanity had too many intractable problems for unification to be so clean or easy or within reach. But the machine kept rolling, losing focus and parts as idealistic weirdos realised piece by piece that certain parts no longer had any point. Why bother with classics and heavy humanism? We've given up on any unique or distinct culture worth bearing, so fuck it, "GAYmer word" studies is a university degree and teaching latin is racist. The inertia of WW2 (heavy high stakes era) and The Cold War provided strong incentives to keep up with STEM, but as that fizzles down and eventually ends we lose more incentive. What do we need a powerful engineer class for? Math makes L'Jarius feel bad about himself. And so on.

Where I disagree with Gatto and his libertarianism is that I don't reject all planning and subjugation. I don't reject the idea of hard human enculturation. He is right in his own approach. Subjection to a pointless, boring, vestigial bureaucratic process is not good for the development of human mind and character. His kind of free-form distributed mentorship approach worked excellently wherever he applied it. If we were a kind of open hearted society with no greater concerns, trying to produce more Gattos and give one to everyone could be a great idea.

But I don't know if we are. Or if that's possible. My point is that you can't have schooling without a notion of a social mission. And despite being a kind of Libertarian Gatto did in fact have one. For one he was a libertarian. He valued human freedom and empowerment. And for another he was a Roman Catholic. He believed in the sacraments of the church, and believed in creating people worthy of them. Because Gatto was an intelligent and good natured white man his standards were very broad. I believe that part of Catholicism's appeal to good and intelligent people is that it believes everyone can make it and belong together.

Soft natured men of the right have been pitching variations on this angle for some time now, with the standard response from the left being something along the lines of "ARRRGHHHHHHH STOP RAPING ME GLOBAL SOUTH AFRICA NOW AHHHHHHHHHH".

There is not going to be a good mass program without anything short of some kind of revolution after which the phenomena of "leftism" mortifyingly evil in the mass mind. We are never coming to good terms with these people.

America's educational standards are incoherent and mostly dominated by bad forces because America's mission as an entity is incoherent and increasingly dominated by bad forces. Why does American schooling exist? In any sane state that question should have the same answer as "why does America exist?" Ask yourself this about any society, "why does it exist?" Do things start making sense from here?

As for mentorship and private tutouring, same question on an individual scale. If you are going to teach one child, we go further than "what is child?", we should ask "why does this child exist?" Is anybody even brave enough to ask that anymore? I doubt it. Is it even legal to ask such questions anymore?

Perhaps you follow The Discourse on twitter. Did you see the phrase "the purpose of a system is what it does" take off as a meme?

in english, IQ that talk down?

 

[Antoine]

in english, IQ that talk down?

Schools have been allowed to fall apart to such an extent because they no longer have a strong positive reason to exist anymore. In a pointless society we don't have any good reason to expect anything to work. Nobody can even say what a school is supposed to do with any confidence anymore.

If we can answer that question we're getting somewhere. But questions that serious raise serious issues a lot of people would rather leave be, letting more generations rot every time we kick the can down the road.

 

[Some_porcupine]

If we can answer that question we're getting somewhere. But questions that serious raise serious issues a lot of people would rather leave be, letting more generations rot every time we kick the can down the road.

oh boy, you dont go out with family much dont you... can only recomm...
this is the post-modern bias you would get rid of - you wait for others to tell you what to do? what is stopping us? if we are right, then nothing - i mean... who has the say what is right or wrong nowadays - as you said in your paragraph above, they have no reason to be, anymore - then, what should we teach, should we let children learn by themselves? they are useless, we are going to be - either way (read 21 competences fro 21st century to be in WEF's wet dream)...

 

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Utopistic Nostalgias

Lost/Stolen Future[1] [2]

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View: https://www.tumblr.com/millenial-net-utopia-2010/747648247217176576


what "we had"

 

[Some_porcupine]

in other thought bubble...

1. guys, is there such thing as (multiple names fro the same thing) (broadly (emotions, not visual-wise much)) "millenial web dream(/cringe)" (buzzfeedification), "millenial media mirages", "zillenial hipster (edgy startup) revolutionary" - " "HD" Hipster Hustler " ? (ecomp. such things as "millenial revolution" or "milenials are ending [add bussiness]") ? i am talking about "we will change world" , people who were coerced into thinking, by soc media and fast-paced bussiness bubble in 2010s!
   
   
   
   
   
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   i know it is stereotype and it connects to hipsters and 2010s web (the positivness/fakeness/facade of it) - everyone wanted to be "someone", to go big on youtube back then (so is now, but back then people were naiive... and kids about it)
   
   
   
   
   
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Why do people always assume that anything they interacted with while you were young/not yet born is some sort of arcane knowledge that you're locked out of?
Example: I make some joke about "Hot or Not" around my mother and she proceeds to tell me what the Hot or Not website was all about as if I hadn't just fucking referenced it.
Example 2: I say to someone in my workshop, "This reminds me a bit of Blade Runner, did you take inspiration from that?" and my professor says "Damn, that's old school, I'm surprised you know about it!" as if it's not one of the most influential sci-fi movies in history.

If I ever catch myself condescendingly explaining what an iPhone is to my kids, I'm fucking killing myself on the spot; childhood trauma be damned.
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first case ur mom may be condescending but it's not something to be mad ab, maybe she just forgot, maybe she wants to talk, etc
second case, the professor is probably assuming that as even tho it's famous a lot of younger ppl don't give a shit, and he must have had experience w such frustration, like The Beatles or even Michael Jackson now, so famous isn't that much these days. Dune, the father of all Sci Fis, is well know today bc they put famous gen Z actors, not bc it's a legendary book
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Dune, the father of all Sci Fis
Damn, you're just gonna do Metropolis dirty like that?
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I see you've found out about arcane knowledge you're locked out of, I'm surprised you know about that.
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I mean, nothing bad about Example 2. It might not be that surprising here in the web, given that I try to go into circles where people know about old stuff, but if someone on the street would've told me he knows about - well, alright, not Blade Runner, but, say, Metropolis, I'd be darn surprised. Among my friends I am frequently the portal to all kinds of old school stuff.
Which is surprising on its own, frankly. Internet is right here, just dig in. But somehow I'm the only one who does.
Though on the other hand... Internet might be right here, but some of my friends do not know english, so go figure...
Though they do not know much about soviet old classics either... Arguably, even those who do not know english know more about western classics rather than soviet ones...
Eh, it's a long discussion, but, in two words: nothing bad about Example 2. Take stuff like that as a compliment, if anything.
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i used to have that mentality as a child to feel like everything made before me was that obscure distant foreign stuff but now i grew up and i realised that most stuff my sisters interact with were made long before they were born so that mindset completely went away
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I did take it as a compliment, but after the fact it just kind of bugged me. I don't think about Blade Runner in terms of "old school" in the slightest, I just think of it as a cool movie that people like.
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I once had to help out with a school tour of a history museum where the guide made a big deal of being surprised that the kids didn't know what a butter churn was, as if it were something that was really relevant to her life. Infuriating.
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Well, given that a new Blade Runner movie came out not so long ago, I think it can be seen as relatively new by most people... or something. So I guess I get what you mean. But at the same time, your particular example sounds like you were discussing something specific, so I think I understand the person from the Example 2 as well. I mean, it's one thing to understand that people are aware about original Blade Runner movie and another to find someone who actually understands a specific homage to it.
And - though it might be just my opinion - the world moves on hypersonic speeds nowadays. And people are bombarded with absolute tons of information. As a result, everything that is as much as 5 years old is a thing of the past, mostly forgotten, unless it was really an anchor. If anything, 4chan's /vr/ board considers everything before december 2007 as retro. And, in my experience, same people play XBox 360 and Sega Genesis.
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That being said... Blade Runner is more than 40 years old. I think it qualifies as "old school". Like, cool or not, it's more than 3 decades old, so it's old.
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I would have called out the professor for not specifying which version of Blade Runner he thinks is the canonical one
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[Yabba]

You are definitely a bot

 

[Some_porcupine]

You are definitely a bot

no, just very npc

 

[Some_porcupine]

new thread

I remember watching this channel called moon back in 2022, I mostly agreed with what they were saying but then I realized that every video they uploaded was the same shit. They would copy paste their old videos and post them again just with new visuals in the "newer" video. I no longer agree with those videos made by moon but I keep seeing those types of videos on youtube. Titles like "x and y countries will go to war" or the 1000th "China's economy will fall" video.
I think these types of videos give a false sense of intellectual supremacy to the viewer but I also think that it also creates a sense of paranoia to the person watching. These types of videos just explote the fears of the modern human being just for a quick buck.

TL;DR facebook conspiracy theory like videos are popping up on youtube and I hate it

 

[Some_porcupine]

new obsservation

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HealthyGamerGG
pred 18 hodinami
Why don't people want to work anymore? Is it because they're lazy? Do people want more money for doing less?Decades ago, one person could work 40 hours a week and afford a house and car, support their family, and have time for hobbies.Now? Some people are working two or three jobs just to make ends meet.Gen Z is labeled as "lazy", but many of them are simply refusing to work in toxic environments. Teachers are quitting in droves because they're burnt out and only get paid a meager salary.People with degrees are sending out dozens of applications to minimum wage jobs because they don't have any other option.Our traditional institutions are broken–the way things have been done isn't working for the majority of people anymore.Meanwhile, executives are only making more money while everyone else is struggling to make a livable wage. So if your parents or grandparents tell you that the younger generation is lazy and they simply need to work harder, tell them it's a lot more complicated than that!
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@ghostratsarah​

pred 17 hodinami
I remember being a kid being anxious about the phenomenon of "overqualified" or "wrong field". The 'don't get an art degree it'll get in the way'. that was early 2000's. now it doesn't even matter what degree you have, to work anywhere they want you to have at least a bachelors. It doesn't even need to be a relevant job, just prove you wasted 4 years of your life and threw yourself into endless debt, then you can be allowed to get $8-15/h, if that. It really lessens the quilt I feel for being disabled- it wouldn't matter if I magically got better, I'd never get a job that could pay rent (outside of a red light district)

(good posts i missed along the way i misclicked)

@oSamiSrzo​

pred 15 hodinami
7.25 an hour just isn't viable anymore. The cost of the world around us is going up, while the money stays the same. Gen Z knows they can't afford a car, house, or even a dog, without working 4 jobs at once, while still in school, and with crippling mental instability over the stress of it all. We don't avoid working because we're lazy. We avoid working because it's crushing our souls, and it's the only escape. And then to top it off, most high paying jobs aren't hiring, or don't want the new generation working for them. My sister's been actively looking for a job for 5 years and only found success with summer work (fast food, retail, ect..) So even IF we wanted to work, nobody wants us.

@cephalosjr.1835​

pred 17 hodinami
Actually, the economy is doing really well and people in Gen Z do want to work and are working.No, the reason people are complaining about how people don't want to work any more is that people are refusing to work at the crappy jobs the people complaining are putting out, whether by not applying, quitting, or striking.Which really sounds like an issue they can and should fix themselves to me.

@anna9072​

pred 15 hodinami
One thing you didn't mention is that a lot of businesses are making many jobs part-time, to avoid having to offer benefits. But a part time job can't pay the bills, so you have to get a second part time job. But part-time is generally 6 hours a day, 30 per week, so if you have two jobs you end up working 12 hour days or 60 hours a week, plus the stress of trying to juggle schedules between two different employers. And you probably still aren't making enough to make it comfortably from one paycheck to the next.
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@marcavus1​

pred 14 hodinami
Minimum wage adjusred for inflation should be $30 an hour based on $1.19 minimum wage in 1964.

@Lily-cx1vo​

pred 12 hodinami
On "Last Week Tonight with Jamie Oliver" he did a segment on student loans. In it he mentioned that 2/3rds of the jobs available today are asking for applicants with Bachelor's Degrees for positions like administrative assistants, customer service phone support, IT support, basic, entry level positions, only needed required an Associates degree 10 years ago. I had such a job. I have an associates degree. I have 10 years of experience in the role. I got laid off, company "restructuring." Completely out of my control. Today I put in my 600th application. 600. Not an exaggeration. I am virtually unhirable for an entry level position because I am "overqualified" in experience and at the same time filtered out of many roles because I "under-qualified" without a meaningless, ridiculously expensive piece of paper. I want a job. I was getting by, loving frugally but getting by, and now...can't get paid at all. These positions want a bachelor's degree and to pay me $1-$5 LESS an hour than I made starting out 10 years ago.
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@DayrusBPB​

pred 7 hodinami
It's not just about getting paid less money, benefits, working longer hours (single without a traditional supportive partner due to not being able to raise a family on a single income), but also not having any mentor, not getting taught the skills and experience to get promoted or hired to then get a better pay, not being able to be independent.

@Bf26fge​

pred 13 hodinami (upravené)
Ive watched the changes over the last 20 years. Any "excess" costs have been cut to the bone. If someone goes on vacation there arent enough employees to take up the slack anymore and the vacationing employee has all the delayed work waiting for him. A lot of worker productivity gain was the result of no longer having lunch breaks and having to work uncompensated additional hours and/or work the jobs of two or more people. My guestimate is pushing people harder is probably responsible for half of worker productivity gains in the last 20 years or so. We have some significant problems with the way worker productivity is calculated and how gdp and inflation are calculated. Hedonic substitution is just a joke, but there are more problems than that with the calculation of gdp.
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@clerk-555​

pred 1 hodinou
I think people want to work, they just don't go above and beyond for a company or organization that is more than willing to use and abuse them.

@ZJCitricAcidGraf.E.T.​

pred 14 hodinami
As long as the 'financial news'/stocks exist, then money and profits will ALWAYS be the priority over people and their struggles But if major corporations themselves start shifting the narrative to how much they're helping their own employees rather than always making more gains than the previous quarters, then maybe, just maybe, we'll be ok..but I doubt thisHell, at a point when fast food minimum wage is now $20/hr but they're also replacing humans with automation, I'm becoming more and more in favor for the idea of (state-given) monthly allowances.Universities and colleges charging for degrees that doesn't 'guarantee' a well-paying job, thus the outrageous student debtC'mon, don't try to tell me that schools aren't a scam in this way

@TheKoloradoShow​

pred 2 hodinami
Exactly it feels like a game that I'd rather not be forced to partake in. But then I'm most likely perceived as entitled or lazy

@rayceo4477​

pred 7 hodinami
My dad's entire career has been like this. He has worked A LOT of jobs, and has gotten a ton of experience. He's worked in the medical field for years, worked at an airport, and even worked for the government. Then he got laid off and had to find employment elsewhere. He's sent hundreds of applications, and only landed a few interviews. In every interview he's attended, they always point out the same thing: "wow, you're really overqualified. Why apply here?" Because no other place will hire him. He has so much experience, but the best job he could land was an elementary school janitor. That's obviously not enough to support a family, so my mom's working, I'm working, and we all share a cleaning job on the side. Even now, we're still just barely making ends meet. It's really sad because, with all this work, there's no time for family or hobbies. We don't do anything anymore. We just work to live because there's no time or money for anything else. Sorry to make you read all this. You probably don't care. It's just on my mind.
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@TBrizzle​

pred 4 hodinami (upravené)
I think people are just tired of getting shafted repeatedly. I'm an auto worker for one of the big 3 and our wages had only gone up a few dollars over the last 16 years. It took us going on strike for several months before we saw any real progress. Wages haven't kept up with the cost of living whatsoever and I feel that a lot of people are checked out, as they've lost the hope of securing financial prosperity.

@Artofcarissa​

pred 7 hodinami
Companies need to get penalized for making fake job listings and should be forced to train/hire more people

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[Some_porcupine]

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PCtpYTiyoP0?feature=share
("it is all fake"...)

Yeah, instead of star-trek future, we get boring cyberpunk neofeudal dystopia.
I don't speak commie, except acid one...
Like, make banks local and don't connect, that's the way to fuck up things...
And do things fo others, not for its own sake, FFS...

 

[Some_porcupine]

what grinds my gears, and happen so very often:

short post, and just for my blog (here just to have place to input it in)

0/27, 17/04/24 Random thoughts

many intenrnet posts about "how people love..." to be awake at 1-5am, "just to be in..." dark and silence, alone, with their thoughts - when one person pinpoints it, it is romantic for a while. but then, it starts to (get popular,) feel sacharine and there are copycats andcomments to it. makes one wonder ?how so?"

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what to do? it feels like the best era already happened, and we live in the last era - last juice of past glory - pastiche of it. '97-'15 peak (/before big-media...). after that, culture and society went to era of "meta-criticism", being critical about why [it] is so critical... - gives me the same "vibes" as if... your dreams came true, - but then , as if - you start to feel guilty, lied to (sorts of "suffering from success"), weird ("and now what!") - similar to about any [post-revolution] (brainfog) zeitgeist -
you got what you want(ed), - but how to assure this wont repeat, that [*this*] will not be took for granted (...), forgotten, and bagatelized - (new-)normalized, - simplified, and >> used in (some, pol.) future campaign , and or used in some form of (pol., soc.) coercion?!! -
- just *another* status quo, "without" history!

 

[Some_porcupine]

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Apocylypes Now youtube channels

I remember watching this channel called moon back in 2022, I mostly agreed with what they were saying but then I realized that every video they uploaded was the same shit. They would copy paste their old videos and post them again just with new visuals in the "newer" video. I no longer agree...

forum.agoraroad.com

 

[Some_porcupine]

i hate it

View: https://youtu.be/0iM7cQukgAg

 

[Some_porcupine]

aka on-par of "societal changes you noticed" thread; repost/quote from "Incel thread" that resonates with reason making this thread, - documenting societal changes

I've thought of this a lot as well, as I spent far too much of my teen years on r9k and saw firsthand this terminology slowly become adopted and redefined by the broader public. Words that were once quite specific within incel groups became very different words.
Many people have said this already across Agora, but the word incel, once a guy part of that subculture of terminally online people with specific backgrounds, KH(H)V, lonely, pessimistic, and misanthropic. Now, incel can just be 'creepy looking guy' or 'guy I don't like'.
Chad was once a typical materialistic jacked guy who scores left and right despite being an awful person. Through memes the word has come to be a way to describe someone positively and sometimes as masculine.
Currently, the meta has decided that 'based' is a stupid word that just came to mean 'I agree', which is true now but was not always. I think originally, it was used when somebody did something which they stood behind with incredible confidence, that even if you might not 'agree' with you still admire the confidence. Maybe 'confidence' isn't quite right, but it's close to it. I saw it used for some time, as typical of r9k, to commend violence and other despicable acts, and thereafter was used sarcastically, but when the word came into general it started out with a definition similar to the original, but I think the 'commendation' part superseded the other fine details, leading it to it becoming a boring dead word.
Also, 'unironically' is now Gen Zs 'literally'. I remember channers prefaced their sentences when they wanted to emphasize their sincerity. To be fair, it was probably the channers who then gutted this with phrases like 'unironically kill yourself', which spread to the general population, who now use the word in this way.
That's all I can kind of think of that has gone into popular use, not counting the -pilled words because they were also used outside of the specific incel circles, such as MGTOW. A lot of other incel terminology are just variations of concepts, such as 'Stacey' the female equivelant of Chad, femcel as in female-incel. There was 'roastie', a derogatory word for promiscuous women, and then just women, but it was too derogatory to become widespread. The meaning of KHV/KHHV is too specific for people to bastardize it. I can't think of many other important ones.

 

[【ｄｉｅｔ ｄｅｉｔｙ】]

what people need is a new landmass. just a big abundant brand spankin' new continent that doesn't belong to anybody yet. that would be fun, and violent, and so on, but I think it also might renew the color in the world for at least a few hundred million people.

 

[Chuffed]

what people need is a new landmass. just a big abundant brand spankin' new continent that doesn't belong to anybody yet. that would be fun, and violent, and so on, but I think it also might renew the color in the world for at least a few hundred million people.

I'm waiting on the first nation to pull the trigger on Antarctica. India or China should get on that.

 

[LostintheCycle]

what people need is a new landmass. just a big abundant brand spankin' new continent that doesn't belong to anybody yet. that would be fun, and violent, and so on, but I think it also might renew the color in the world for at least a few hundred million people.

This is literally what Australia was.