Canada will soon offer assisted suicide to the mentally ill

[DeathToMicroWaves]

Canada will soon offer doctor-assisted death to the mentally ill. Who should be eligible?

Canada is still determining who should be eligible for MAID for mental illness, but some experts say it could become the most permissive jurisdiction in the world

nationalpost.com

Found this kinda by chance this morning. I'm not sure how to feel about that. Even as someone who isn't having a great time right now.

On one hand I understand that some people are straight up untreatable and that, just like physical illnesses, sometimes it's just better to put an end to their misery... but on the other, I can't help but see a cop-out here. Why are these people mentally unwell in the first place? What is actually making them this way? Wouldn't they feel better if, for example, we didn't live in a capitalist hellscape? What if the news showed better things instead of catastrophe after another? What if we promoted a stable family model rather than the broken households pretty much every kid is born in now? What if women were more encouraged to stay at home and raise the kids for their own mental equilibrium rather than work and leave them to nanny after nanny, or straight up abandon them to iPads? What if salaries could be raised while the cost of life gets higher and higher? What if, hmm, there was more aid for families, for the mother (or maybe father, some want to be stay at home dads) to be able to stay at home? What if people didn't work bullshit jobs most of the time and weren't wage slaves? There is just so much stuff and just thinking about it feels utopian, but...

What if we improved people's lives instead of literally showing them the door? There is so much that could be done. Yet no. It's better to give them the alternative to kill themselves rather than, idk, make life a little more bearable for everyone else.

I definitely will never set a foot in Canada, not even to kill myself. I'd still rather cut my throat open with a boxcutter in the middle of nowhere and have the vultures feed on my dead body than ever touch this degenerate country with a ten foot pole.

Canada kinda based

 

[Civuyk]

You all are saying government could use that to eliminate rivals and political dissidents.

As if it that couldn't be possible of doing right now. We're all prisoners, we all have to struggle hard to build our own place in the society, the world, the life.

The major humanity weakness is fear to death. To Live is our natural tendency. There is no real free will when you're choosing between death or whatever else.

Everyone choose life. When you commit suicide you're breaking a barrier it shouldn't be broken. It's the most traumatic act. And it requires a lot of pain and suffering.

There's not an easy way to live. There is not an easy one to die neither.

To make it easier it would be a real revolution. If we could achieve first time in human history to allow people die in sweet no-painful conditions....



We don't choose to live, to be born. I consider a mayor step into the evolution of human race to be able of choose death, without fear, just because I don't wanna live anymore.



That pure form of freedom is what really scares, dead people aren't slaves anymore.

 

[Max Chill]

I never thought I'd see the day where we actually systematically gave up in the betterment of society. Assisted suicide? I can never wrap my head around that apart from the ethics of it to a degree.

 

[FreshSk8r]

The whole world already has assisted suicide, it's called enlisting in the army.

 

[Merry-Mania Dictatorship]

Sooo
Is it free?


Depression and bpd is not a suicide worth mental issue, imo
PTSD and schizophrenia - maybe?..

Anyway, I think euthanasia can be great.
As well as suicide. Not because it ends your life.
Hear me out:
You, as a human, has NO control of everything what happens to you
But the one and only thing where you have that control - is an ability to end your existence
It often soothes me. As in "well, if anything - I could just kms"
While I even don't want to die EVER

So I think you shouldn't stop anyone if they want to end themselves
That is if you are not willing to help and there is nothing you can possibly do
If you are and you can: prove it, do something aside of telling "oh lOoK aRoUnD it's not THAT bad, you should live" (what for?)

Yes, it is still killing people and morally should be perceived so.
But if there is absolutely no treatment and no possible recovery ever.
Why suffer. Just for living the life - the best gift of nature and because jesus died for your sins and you should be thankful and everything will be just fiiiiine.

 

[shroomish]

I have a lot of thoughts around this issue. I sometimes struggle with suicidal ideation and a few years ago, I got caught up in an evil forum on the Internet promoting the act, whose name I will not disclose. Having suicidal ideation is really difficult. For me, it was a compulsion, and it made me feel better in a twisted way.

I still struggle with ideation when I'm under a lot of stress. I also have PMDD, which is hell. For example, I recently had to go through the process of looking for a job, and between everything else, I started to feel the thoughts coming in again. It's a horrible compulsion for me and a very bad habit. I'm trying to work on doing other things than focus on those thoughts when it happens, easier said than done, though.

Where I stand with it is, it's in the human condition to want to live. It's also the human condition to be ambivalent about death.

I always thought that mental illness boiled down to an issue of, "Well, what can we do to make it better?". But the thing is that mental health, as a concept, implies a degree of "normalcy." And who is to say what defines normal? Mental health, according to whom? Mentally ill, according to whom? Where do rights for minorities in society begin, and is it right to define those rights as a standard compared to the norm?

I had a professor last year that was kind of a post-dark academia kind of person. I did one of my internships in school at a health clinic specialized in addictions and mental health issues, because I was interested in exploring the concept of mental health in a political way.

Summed up, and I agree with that analysis, is that some people are sick. I don't mean to say so by implying that it shouldn't be a political issue. It doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to raise standards in society and overlook capitalism's plight on how people can live their lives, but I think that there's so much in the world about trying to make everyone mentally healthy when the concept is defined by a lot of people who are part of the norm: i.e. straight, white, married, neurotypical, etc. We spend so much time trying to push the idea of "mental health" that I really think that things like assisted suicide are pushed as a resort to the ethical dilemma.

In short, it's just such an ambivalent issue. I'm glad I did not take my life the times that I wanted to. But I can't make that judgement for other people. I think people can only offer compassion and do what is in their control to be a friend, kind stranger, good family member to somebody who is struggling with severe depression, PTSD, BPD, PMDD, schizophrenia, addiction and other behavioral health disorders.

 

[Merry-Mania Dictatorship]

But the thing is that mental health, as a concept, implies a degree of "normalcy." And who is to say what defines normal? Mental health, according to whom? Mentally ill, according to whom?

I'd say if something's bothering oneself to the point of being unable to function and feeling pain - it's not normal.
If they are a threat - physically and mentally - to other people, then I'd say they are too not normal.

But I don't know how could we measure that pain and harm (if it's not physical)
I mean, there are two types of people: diagnosed and undiagnosed.
Sometimes a person is just fitting in certain mental illness image, because of their nature and their character. Does it bother them? I don't know: does neurotypicals living unbothered by their perception of the world and their decisions?

I solely believe, that it is unnatural for a human to be happy.
Do I feel myself normal?
No, I don't.
Do I believe, that everything will be just worse and there is nothing good for me in the future?
Absolutely.
Am I mentally healthy?
Yes, I know I am. they told me so

But if your brain tells you everybody wants to kill you and causes you running after your loved ones with an axe... Uh, maybe seek help.

 

[elavat0r]

I cannot help but have a terrible feeling whenever the state gets involved with something like this. I don't even think the problem would be the government going after political dissidents. My guess is that a few decades after this is implemented, someone will pull back the curtain to find overburdened government programs full of psychiatrists and social workers steering "irremediably mentally ill" members of the homeless or incarcerated population toward euthanasia. It wouldn't even need to be an explicit policy; it may just become the easiest and cheapest way to "handle" the most difficult cases.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe there would be enough legal safeguards to prevent that. Maybe anyone who is suffering does deserve a painless way out. But I don't ever see the motivations of the state as benevolent.

 

[punishedgnome]

I cannot help but have a terrible feeling whenever the state gets involved with something like this. exists.

Fixed

 

[deepfreeze]

Murder will be rebranded as mandatory assisted suicide

 

[Some_porcupine]

You all are saying government could use that to eliminate rivals and political dissidents.
As if it that couldn't be possible of doing right now. We're all prisoners, we all have to struggle hard to build our own place in the society, the world, the life.
The major humanity weakness is fear to death. To Live is our natural tendency. There is no real free will when you're choosing between death or whatever else.
Everyone choose life. When you commit suicide you're breaking a barrier it shouldn't be broken. It's the most traumatic act. And it requires a lot of pain and suffering.
There's not an easy way to live. There is not an easy one to die neither.
To make it easier it would be a real revolution. If we could achieve first time in human history to allow people die in sweet no-painful conditions....

We don't choose to live, to be born. I consider a mayor step into the evolution of human race to be able of choose death, without fear, just because I don't wanna live anymore.

That pure form of freedom is what really scares, dead people aren't slaves anymore.

As i see it, is - THEM (rich ones? how to know?) will make life so shit that only way off will be THIS, to say "yes" to IT, or to indulge in hedonistic orgy - or run away and do opposite. Then, too, you can (too) cope, ignore, inquire others on this - "Is what we do right? Does it make sense?..." (BNW, in short.)

To make living so bad, so vile, so boring, or so hard on psyche - news, mili-drugs-complex, under-funded schools, healthcare, ...
- disappearance of common sense - "if you dont like t h i s, you made enemy." - no questions...

I might go crazy, or is it really how it goes. Make it "choice", then make "ad" to it, how "perfect, necessary, how much sense it makes"...
- it - whatever the wind, might be.

Idea behind this is:

1. pressure on "stuff, problem" by "high brass - them" (whoever it is)
2. reaction on "s. , p. " from common populace
3. "them" feeding it back to populace in News, soc.media etc.
4. watching populace's opinion
5. using pop. as means of change ("this is what you wanted") *
   
   1. 5b. reaction of com. pop. (yes/no)
      1. 5b1. yes: DONE! (if you dont like it >>> guilt, blame-trip)
      2. 5b2. no: repeat 3. with diff. tactics >>> 5b1.
6. repeat, step 1.
   

* also: using "what you wanted", in way of only yes -or- no, really w/o any midsteps, any reconsideration for all tints between all ideas, philosophies...

 

[Blockhead]

Yeah I fucking hate this

 

[remember_summer_days]

Perhaps my most schizo belief is that the world may be so fucked because of divine justice and/or retribution, and instead of repenting, we just double down on our rebellion and thus the punishment continues. This patter is described and repeated in the Bible, God gives nations to lesser beings and lets them suffer the consequences of idolatry. This is all metaphysical speculation. We see literal suicide propaganda, how can you say this isn't demonic?

 

[bnuungus]

We see literal suicide propaganda, how can you say this isn't demonic?

you cant, it just straight up is demonic

 

[SELCOUTH]

Depopulation agenda. I didn't think about this, tbh, but it does make sense... and it's viewed as voluntary. Perfect cover-up.

Seems more like a tool to kill dissenters to me. It would prove difficult to kill hundreds of thousands of people en masse in a suicide machine without some sort of conflict that impedes it arising. This isn't Batman forever where the riddler brainwashes people instantaneously to do his bidding. Even the most retarded people have some sense of self preservation. Unless you had some way to create a real life version of "the happening" I think it's safe to put the outlandish theories to rest and be a bit more realistic. The biggest problem with the conspiracy theory community is that outlandish doomsday theories like this one detract from the real ones.

 

[Onryō]

Canada? The same globalist who larps as a leftist paradise while secretly assaulting the third world for lithium, water and other important resources? Taking a part in pushing the whole mainstream narrative of normalizing mental illness for zoomers and other mentally vulnerable people then changing it to assisted suicide for said mentally ill, after feeding them mental poison through social media since teenage years?

Unpredictable, am I right?

 

[Some_porcupine]

Canada? The same globalist who larps as a leftist paradise while secretly assaulting the third world for lithium, water and other important resources? Taking a part in pushing the whole mainstream narrative of normalizing mental illness for zoomers other vulnerable people then changing it to assisted suicide for said mentally ill, after feeding them mental poison through social media since teenage years?

Totally unpredictable, right?

cant agree nor deny. but if that hapens, it will be damn late... (and i hate it)

 

[RisingThumb]

A study of the effects of Maple Syrup upon the mind.
Authors: Federal Agents

Abstract:
Maple syrup is a concoction of CIA fluorescent trees that secrete their orange glows into bottles. Given to people it warps their perspective of the world and fills them with delusions like "Mentally ill people who are not of sound mind can have suicide assisted for them".

Jokes aside... Pleading mentally ill in Court can sometimes let you get away with crimes as you were not of sound mind and could not evaluate a situation properly. If this is done, there's cognitive dissonance between the Justice System and the Healthcare system.

 

[aster]

Everyone sees "The hand of the state" behind this, but I think you no longer have a state, there are only interest groups and multinationals, your only big business, you also get rid of the system's waste, the "b" products of the current civilization, giving the appearance of clean surfaces.
I also foresee some organ harvesting and trafficking, complete legal of course since it comes from people who died voluntarily.
It is completely unconstitutional for a mentally ill person to decide to die, and that decision is taken as valid consent.

 

[-SteampunkTraveler-]

Pretty much what I just thought...
I also felt like there was a bit of a "the weak ones will just off themselves" kinda thing. I can also see something coming. Political dissidents being dismissed as mentally ill and driven to suicide. This may be a tad on the paranoid side, but that kind of stuff is just a MAJOR slippery slope.

Bro tbh this feels like social darwinism right now, your point sheds a light on it especially the "weak killing themselves"