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This weekend I am leaving for a road trip to travel back to Florida where I'll be seeing Manson live at Daytona on the 18th. I am so excited and the happiest I've been in years since before the pandemic. It feels good to travel across states again. I miss living in Florida and hope to move back there eventually. No internet access during this vacation period. Only bringing the bare necessities and my cameras to take photos along the way.

While preparing for this show, I am reliving the glory when Manson was the biggest rock star in the world and remains the last important one to come out of the US. There hasn't been another rock artist since him who tapped into the cultural osmosis of the west. His lyrics reflect American culture in a way that is still very relevant today. Pick up one of the 3 important albums of the triptych and go through them. You'll find that he predicted much of what we're living in today. I'd recommend Holy Wood if you want a glimpse at where we're headed in the future (pay close attention to the Fall of Adam). Mechanical Animals shows the crazed Huxley fever dream we've been living in for the past decade. Antichrist Superstar represents the worm that is in all of us.

As someone who followed this man and the band for most of my life, this is the best he has sounded since the early 2000s. It's the closest to his prime years now that he's clean and sober. I can't wait for this show. I have not seen him live since 2012 when he was a drunk mess with a forgettable band. I had seen Manson as a mess prior to that around 2009 where his vocals were so blown out he sounded hoarse. This time around, my expectations could not be higher since the first time I saw him back in 1998 when he was at the top of his game. Don't care about anything else in life. We got Manson back at a high level, that's good enough for me.


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What's that? I can't hear you, speak up! What? Dream Theater sucks? Sorry, can't hear you...

Well, you got a Whoracle avatar, mate... everybody knows In Flames got generic after Subterranean. Sure, The Jester Race wasn't completely soulless, but it certainly had the whiff of artistic rot.

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To be honest, I was quite the Dream Theater fanboy 10~15 years ago (even saw them live), and I still think they got some good material lost inside the meandering noodling (at least before A Dramatic Turn of Events), but artistically, I never felt anything from them; it's truly music made for musicians, by musicians. Awake and A Change of Seasons are probably their peaks.
 

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Well, you got a Whoracle avatar, mate... everybody knows In Flames got generic after Subterranean. Sure, The Jester Race wasn't completely soulless, but it certainly had the whiff of artistic rot.
A lot of my favorite bands do absolutely nothing new and just stick with the old and do it well. It's only really when a band that had an unbelievably unique debut becoming generic that I'm disappointed (see At the Gates). In Flames is another, but honestly turning on their albums from Jester Race to Colony, I just wanna hear some US power metal riffs with harsh vocals. I like Gothenburg melodeath for that reason; without the vocal melody it makes the guitars need to do a lot more work.

The County Medical Examiners' "Olidous Operettas" is one example: goregrind done Carcass style with absolutely zero additions. They've admitted to basically taking Carcass riffs and playing them backwards, and you can hear the remnants of Carcass's actual songs in their music (plagiarism, lol?). "Necrotic Apologues" sounds like "Exhume to Consume", "Casper's Dictum" sounds like "Corporeal Jigsore Quandary", et cetera, ec cetera.

Excuse the pedantry, but I like distinguishing melodeath (the Gothenburg sound with its various hallmarks and stereotypes) with melodic death metal (death metal that sounds like death metal with more diatonic riffing). I prefer the latter variety despite its much smaller size. Intestine Baalism, Impaled, Lipoma, Vehemence, Axis of Advance (war metal), Gridlink (grindcore), etc.

To be honest, I was quite the Dream Theater fanboy 10~15 years ago (even saw them live), and I still think they got some good material lost inside the meandering noodling (at least before A Dramatic Turn of Events), but artistically, I never felt anything from them; it's truly music made for musicians, by musicians. Awake and A Change of Seasons are probably their peaks.
I consider myself somewhat on the soulless side tbh. When I think of a song I like it's more about "Oh damn, that's an interesting rhythm/progression/melodic line". I enjoy Behold the Arctopus, for one, which is like Dream Theater stripped of all of the soul, leaving only meandering noodling. Just because I like how it tingles my ears. I think Watchtower and Blotted Science does it better with a lot more interesting songwriting but eh, sometimes I just want to go dumb to some retardedly complex music.

Awake's a good choice for a peak, I may say it's also mine. Kevin Moore's atmospheric playing made the difference. Kind of sad how he really doesn't want anything to do with DT anymore, but eh.
 

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Excuse the pedantry, but I like distinguishing melodeath (the Gothenburg sound with its various hallmarks and stereotypes) with melodic death metal (death metal that sounds like death metal with more diatonic riffing). I prefer the latter variety despite its much smaller size. Intestine Baalism, Impaled, Lipoma, Vehemence, Axis of Advance (war metal), Gridlink (grindcore), etc.

I ought to listen to some of the latter, because Baalism are one of the few melodeath bands I particularly liked alongside Carcass. I can't tell you how disappointing it was to hear Heartwork, love it, and find nothing else that comes close to it. It made great company for my late nights working on uni assignments.

 

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I ought to listen to some of the latter, because Baalism are one of the few melodeath bands I particularly liked alongside Carcass. I can't tell you how disappointing it was to hear Heartwork, love it, and find nothing else that comes close to it. It made great company for my late nights working on uni assignments.


Funny you say that, I actually never gave post-Necroticism Carcass a proper chance and I just got Heartwork on FLAC so I'm listening to it right now. Damn, why have I avoided this? This is 100% what I was looking for with the latter. It still sounds like Carcass, which is the best part. Even though they took a few detours from their first album in 87 they still retained a Carcass sound if that makes sense.
 

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Funny you say that, I actually never gave post-Necroticism Carcass a proper chance and I just got Heartwork on FLAC so I'm listening to it right now. Damn, why have I avoided this? This is 100% what I was looking for with the latter. It still sounds like Carcass, which is the best part. Even though they took a few detours from their first album in 87 they still retained a Carcass sound if that makes sense.
Carcass probably had the most fluid evolution in sound of any metal band I've ever heard. The next album Swansong is simpler and more melodic (and pretty good too), but you can tell what pieces they took from this one to make it, and some elements of their songwriting and sound are always there. It's especially a plus with Heartwork, because the handful of death metal moments carried over from Necroticism add more variety.
 

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