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Dead Internet Theory: Most of the Internet is Fake

:doodleDavid:This was theory was originally written on wizardchan and composed by me and seberal anons from other imageboards. :doodleDavid:
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TLDR: Large proportions of the supposedly human-produced content on the internet are actually generated by artificial intelligence networks in conjunction with paid secret media influencers in order to manufacture consumers for an increasing range of newly-normalised cultural products.

Hello. I would like to talk, or rather tell you about certain suspicions, hunches and experiences I've had and I'm sure some of you as well. Similar themes have been written about across imageboards quite a few times so I know I'm not alone in this.

My background is that of an oldfag. I've seen it all. I started going on 4chan in 2006, and followed all the natural roads this implies. I'm in my thirties and I remember when 4chan had a /l/ board, when /co/ was a trial board shunned by basically everyone, when #34 p*rn was an obscure interest with very few good artists and when moot changed the frontpage to that web 2.0 bullshit 4chan has to this very day. I was also among the first right wingers who were such before it was cool, and I've seen /pol/ rise and fall. I was there when it mattered, but rather than saying these things out of masturbatory pleasure I wish to stress that I've acquired a set of observational skills which other genuine oldfags share. I'm aware you have no reason to trust my "credentials" but I hope you'll read this in good faith.

Much of this falls squarely in the fringe territory with a healthy dosage of /x/ and conspiracy theory up the ass. My goal by posting this seemingly jumbled mess is to... how can I put it? I want you to think, I want you to be aware, to digest all this. Because on a basic level I love you all. I feel like we're all in this together, this dangerous game we did not choose to play and which I think is kicking into high gear. I do not hold many answers and don't have all the pieces of the puzzle, but I AM aware there is a puzzle. Please feel free to go wild with all of this. Post it wherever you want, on whatever site you want or use. I am a nobody like you, and what matters to me is only that this reaches you and as many people as possible. At worst you'll be entertained or kill time.

I tried to break this mess into points for brevity and because I touch upon many subjects. I imply more than I explain because if I go too deep this'll turn into an even bigger wall of text.

The Internet feels empty and devoid of people. It is also devoid of content. Compared to the Internet of say 2007 (and beyond) the Internet of today is entirely sterile. There is nowhere to go and nothing to do, see, read or experience anymore. It all imploded into a handful of normalfag sites and these empty husks we inhabit. Yes, the Internet may seem gigantic, but it's like a hot air balloon with nothing inside. Some of this is absolutely the fault of corporations and government entities. However! That doesn't explain the following:

- I used to be in perpetual contact with a solid number of people across multiple sites. Across the years each and every one of them vanished without a trace. None of them were into /pol/ stuff or anything even remotely questionable or controversial. Yet, they all simply vanished in a puff of smoke, no matter the site, no matter the communication platform. There was no "goodbye" or explanation.

- I've seen the same threads, the same pics and the same replies reposted over and over across the years to the point of me seeing it as unremarkable. Simply put thread A would be posted in say 2015 and would get its share of replies or pics, on say /co/ or /a/. Then that very same thread, with the same text, pics, and replies would appear in 2016 and beyond. This often happens in the same year multiple times as well. Of course /pol/ is getting shilled and botposted to death, but why recycle a completely innocent /a/ thread? Who is doing this and why? Stuff like this won't be noticed by your average poster perhaps, but I and other oldfags will inevitably notice it.

- I think I saw the same happen on other (non-imageboard) sites, but I can't vouch for it as strongly as the above because of the time I spend there (not much). What I do vouch for is the news. I've seen news about this or that "new and unusual" or "shocking" event year after year after year. But it's the same goddamn event, usually moons or asteroids.

- Roughly in 2016 or early 2017 4chan was filled with posts by someone or something. It wasn't spam. The conversations with it were in real time, across multiple boards and multiple threads simultaneously. Its English was grammatically correct but odd (I'm not a native English speaker and am thus sensitive to its misuse), similar to how a Japanese person may use it. A sense of childlike curiosity and a childlike intellect emanated from these posts. It posed a LOT of questions, usually as if trying to understand the emotions of the posters it was talking to, as if unfamiliar with human emotions. Communicating with this "poster" was an odd experience, I could sense something was off but not malicious. I am absolutely certain this was an AI of some sorts. This "poster" was active only for about a week, and as far as I know nobody has ever mentioned or noticed this Anon. Its replies were always on topic, but the above mentioned childishness clashed with the apparent knowledge it possessed - it was the knowledge of an adult person, so it wasn't a kid or something of the sort.

- Raptor Jesus, who went extinct for our sins. First it was this reptilian messiah, then foul bachelor frog, and then Pepe. Am I the only one who sees a clear evolution, a link? It's as if this meme or entity or... whatever the fuck was on 4chan since day one, and has grown within it from the tiniest seed. Yet Raptor Jesus was fully just a joke, there was nothing serious or mystical about it (reminder: I was there). Remember that Ted guy with the right wing talk show, cca prior to 2010, whom 4chan ruined for the lulz? Remember Anonymous vs Scientology? Remember that fake bomb threat aka exploding yellow van?

Compare that with what Anon did through /pol/, and the "terrorist" accusations thrown at Anon today, as well as the "reasons" why 8chan was taken down. Why does this too feel as if we were all trained, groomed, LED towards where we are now? Why and how did moot so utterly vanish into Google Inc. as an employee with very vague descriptions of what he actually does? On that note, do you remember the "other moot" who was often posted for the lulz? The one with the glasses who so often ran away with donations into Mexico? I do. Maybe that was the real moot, the real guy who used his mom's credit card and was killed by someone, and an impostor we know as moot took his place.

- Innocent sexual perversion and the horrible reality it spawned. Anon is a pervert and always was one. I am into loli and feet for instance. Why is it that real life and the real world seem to emulate our sexual interests, with a time lag? "I wish to be the little succubus" became an actual thing that actually happens. Pedo activism is also gradually becoming accepted, as is virtually every fetish that was once either a joke or a fantasy of Anons. As said I'm a footfag. When I became aware of it few others were with me, now it's as common as can be, with gigantic number of people who are into it, with huge mountains of hentai and #34 with it etc. Why does the real world bend over backwards to accommodate our weirdest fetishes? It's as if everything is going "Look, look! I created this for you! I made it real!" in an effort to keep us within this world. The results of this are devastating to society, to people, to civilization. Simply put, trannies are a thing because Anon fapped to doujins of cute boys in dresses. Once it was an impossible fantasy, not to be taken too seriously. Now it's grim reality. Again: it's as if the real world is using imageboards as a template on what to be and what to do.

- Algorithm fiction. Do you like capeshit, Anon? How about other Hollywood stuff? Music perhaps? Have you noticed how sterile fiction has become? How it caters to the lowest common denominator and follows the same template over and over again? How music is just autotunes and basic blandness? The writer's strike never ended. Algorithms and computer programs are manufacturing modern fiction. No human being is behind these things. This is why anime looms so large - even a simple moe anime has heart because there's actual people behind it, and we all intuitively feel this.

- Fake people. No, not NPC's. Youtube people who talk about this or that, and quite possibly many politicians, actors and so forth may not actually exist. In fact I am sure of it. CGI and deep fakes are far more advanced than we are led to believe, and we can't trust our eyes anymore. Many people, events, news and so on may be wholly fictional.

- The Internet on your smartphone is not the same internet as on your PC. Try it out for yourself. Go to a "popular" website with a lot of traffic. 4chan, faceshit, plebbit... any site with a massive userbase and fast content will do. Spend a few days randomly checking it out on your PC and your phone. You will soon notice that from time to time, at irregular intervals (as far as I've witnessed) the same site as seen on your phone will be wholly different than the version on your PC. Entire threads, numerous and well-replied, will be on one but not the other. The whole board will be different.

- My last suspicion is easier to take in. I have a feeling we're in a strange kind of civil war. An internal one. I think Zuckerberg and other tech guys were all on 4chan as Anons at some point, maybe even now. They drew from the same well as us, but went in their own direction.

Roughly in 2016 or early 2017... I am absolutely certain this was an AI of some sorts

Now you're thinking where I am too, anon. Here's the timeline as best I can see it:
2004: DARPA's Lifelog project was "cancelled." Facebook came into being soon after.
2004-2012: NSA picked up DARPA's project under the "Total Informational Awareness" project. https://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/23/opinion/whos-watching-the-nsa-watchers.html
2012: Smith-Mundt Modernization Act gives the U.S. government full legal authority to use propaganda against its own populace. Undoing rules put into place after Operation Mockingbird's discovery and the Church Committee. https://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/23/opinion/whos-watching-the-nsa-watchers.html
2012-2016: Shittons of DARPA/NSA contracts were given to Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc..
2016: Leaked memos dating back to 2016 (found in 2018) of Google's Selfish Ledger project. https://invidio.us/watch?v=LUSZfEBTwRc
2016: Google released a bunch of neural-linguistic machine learning programs in 2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Neural_Machine_Translation
2017: deepfake leaks start to become released.
2018: confirmed that for decades now, >redditcostanzayeahrightsmirk/Youtube/etc. vote and view counts are fake and completely manipulated. http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/12/how-much-of-the-internet-is-fake.html

I think it's entirely obvious what I'm subtly suggesting here given this setup, but allow me to try to succinctly state my thesis here: the U.S. government is engaging in an artificial intelligence powered gaslighting of the entire world population.

If China with its social credit score is recreating Psycho Pass, then the U.S. government is perfectly recreating Metal Gear Solid 2.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1ClbkTeCyw&feature=youtu.be

And an excerpt:

The Problem: Outline the basics of what appears to be happening.

There is a large-scale, deliberate effort to manipulate culture and discourse online and in wider culture by utilising a system of bots and paid employees whose job it is to produce content and respond to content online in order to further the agenda of those they are employed by.

Already we've seen this in foreign nations influencing elections by manipulating advertising algorithms on social media in order to push specific candidates.

As I see it is due to a "positive feedback loop"

I blame facebook and twitter.

The internet is a fast way to get info, and info is what moves the mind, and the thing is, the mind likes recognition. When the "likes" were introduced without negative feedback they created a copy-feedback subconscious, they made it so only "positive" opinions be propagated (also accepted), and in it's way negative opinions to be obsolete.

Now everyone is too cowardly to have an opinion so they copy others they like, they are more likely to follow trends and say what others said, you can also see it with the paranoia of always wanting to listen to experts.

The fast feedback system of the net created a human obsession to be in with trends, getting away from it makes it so you always feel like you are missing out, to play it safe in a trend is more easy as you can copy what already is accepted.

In this way, the internet and social media, which was supposed to democratise media by allowing users to create whatever content they wanted, has instead been hijacked by a powerful few.

Creation of original content is how the internet used to work. Anonymous people were willing to express their opinions and try radical or experimental things. More truly original content, uninfluenced by bots or paid influencers, was created due to anonymity as protection against negative feedback. On the old internet, you could start anew every time you posted something.

Now add bots to this.

Make it so an opinion be repeated more and more, they are faster than us, so the positive feedback makes is so we copy the bots, and anonymity can't do anything against it because we can't influence the bot like we would a human, this is an easy weapon to manipulate people, so anyone with an agenda can use a bot, is designed in a way compared to how clickbaits are made,most won't read the content, this creates tv-like propaganda where they aren't influenced by the user and that puts bots at a great advantage over any other opinion because it wont change, and we are copying that.

I believe google is one of those that makes bots, after all they work like a search engine, where they get the most accepted content first, Is the same as doing an ad.
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Narrative science was the name of one of the first companies to make this possible. it gets interesting when you follow the money. pic related. huge funding from a company called In-Q-Tel, literally named after Q from James Bond. i wonder if anything else AI-related shares that name? :LeDoritoFace:

Conclusion: The key points of what we know, the consequences, and how we might respond.

Internet may have slipped out of our control. Need to raise public awareness of this.

Possible solutions may be increased reliance on encrypted peer-to-peer communication software, or using less centralised networks like the idea of a p2p internet or 'meshnet'.

Imageboards and their "wild west" attitude have allowed for the free exchange of ideas to flow more or less uninhibited (barring jannies, pedos getting banned, etc.). As a result, conscious or otherwise, the cream of the crop of the content that originates here disseminates to the normies in a gradual, stratified way.

The structure and culture of imageboards has also made it difficult for traditional structures of power and influence to subvert effectively, which is why imageboards are pretty much the only vestige of old web type content.

In an attempt to circumvent this, TPTB are trying to push bots and shills on us in a last ditch effort to drown out our own voices with ones they have more direct control over.

Moreover, even if the majority of anons dismiss or call out bots or shills, it's inevitable that trolls or just low IQ anons will imitate their posts and mannerisms for attention, effectively doubling these efforts reach.

There's a pretty powerful impulse in us which, when we hear something huge that could change our view of everything, rejects it to protect ourselves. No-one wants to have their whole world-view, which they've built a life upon, blown apart.

One anon started up a text doc to compile information, for those of you who would like to do some reading up.


Additionally, there are ongoing threads on the /x/ boards when this was posted.

UPDATE
Heres a relevant image I found on image board bots
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Have you never seen boomers sharing AI generated images on Facebook that usually have a tagline like "HOW COME STUFF LIKE THIS NEVER TRENDS" and it'll be some bullshit?
That's the one. I was reading an article on Wired (I think) and it basically said some people's following/followers groups on Instagram might be almost 100% bots, and (being boomers) they are none the wiser.

Hell, I have been sent some reels (you know the ones, with OF girls doing something lewd but not bannable on Insta and a text with peach and eggplant emojis) and you start noticing a pattern, particularly in non-English ones (Greek, Italian, Russian in particular) where the soundbites are the same and the texts are pretty much variations of one another. These profiles have thousands of followers (all boomer men) and only follow similar accounts. You notice that the voices don't match up exactly with the lip sync, and it comes off uncanny and off-kilter. But boomers thirst on the comments. These girls may be entirely AI-generated. At the very least, a bot is spamming variations of thirst traps to generate engagement.
What I really hate about the "trust the experts" bullshit is that what they're really saying is you should trust what biased news corporations are claiming that these apparent experts said, not what they actually said.
They are basically the new tribal witch doctors. Around here, in the wake of Covid and as lockdowns were starting to be lifted (not that many people adhered anyway) I noticed that all online media (but curiously no print media) would spam variations of a certain message. I'll translate it for you, it basically said:

Experts Warn! "SOMETHING IS COMING."

That was it. Both left-leaning and hard-right-wing would spam it within a matter of hours. If you looked into it, it was always some vaguely alluded "authority" (literally, it was pretty much "in-the-know higher-ups of the WHO," etc. etc.) that vaguely guessposted about some vague possible malady as a vague maybe-but-not-sure after-effect of Covid. The headlines were basically the equivalent of the crazy "THE END IS NIGH" guy on the street corner. The crux of these articles itself reeked of bot-generated drivel, but it might just be journos journo'ing.

Another thing, the bell curve is real. Total retards and based autists would both call them out on their bullshit and fearmongering. It is always the midwits that "Trust the science!" and ask you "But where are the sources supporting this claim?" when you tell them layering masks is retarded. It's like that experiment where they would call ten guys in a room, show two clearly uneven lines, nine of them were part of the experiment and said 'Yeah, those are even,' and eight times out of ten, the singled guy would go with the mainstream belief even though it was patently wrong. It would take either a completely unhinged retard or a sufficiently based person to say they're all full of shit. Normalfags see everyone parroting something, even something obviously wrong and counterintuitive, and don't want to miss out on the tribalism so they adopt it. Hence the experts as the new tribal witch doctors. Twitter twats are boasting about being 5-boosted. Like you, I'm not anti-vax per se (I got the booster because you were liable to get fired or have your pay withheld under EUfag laws) but why the hell would you make that a core part of your personality?

The midwit will be the catalyst to the undoing of civilisation, mark my words.
 
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Or the twitter spam bot hot girls saying all the same message, "Hello darling/dear, can you help me? (Cute emojis, roses, kisses, peach emoji)..." All, all, ALL same. I have like 15 of those, unread...

Theory has it AI chatbots are nothing new. Your T9 is one type, and if you know, ELIZA was first chatbot, they even wrote symptoms after her when subject falls infaualated with her, thinking it is real person/it is friend/it thinks (when it is not)...
 
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I really enjoyed the story of the schizo who got fired from Google after he went public claiming that their new AI was sentient.
Even his name was funny, got it on my tongue... Idk now but I remember it was
 
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I really enjoyed the story of the schizo who got fired from Google after he went public claiming that their new AI was sentient.
IT'S STILL REAL TO ME DAMMIT.

That's probably the train of thought of fellas who want to LARP as Phoenix in Her.
 
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I've noticed a lot of weird stuff happening on the internet as well over the last 8 years.
I've Noticed:

- YouTube channels that have over a million subscribers, but when you look at the number of views per video they get below 5000 views and sometimes only a few hundred.

-On >redditcostanzayeahrightsmirk I've noticed that some stuff gets more upvotes then they should. Say, on a subreddit where a thread does well it may only get between 500-1500 up votes. The all of a sudden you get the one thread that gets 11,000+ upvotes(the thread is trying to push some narrative I noticed), I noticed this happens a lot during election time and during covid as well.

- Online Dating, Online dating is probably the worse for bots. I remember reading that the gender ratio on most online dating sites is 75% men and 25% women, and out of that 25% of women over half are either bots and or women trying to get followers on their Instagram\social media, or worse their onlyfans, so there could only be 10-15% women on dating sites(that's not factoring in women who are not interested in even meeting anyone)

When I use to use online dating I started to notice weird patterns in how women would respond to my messages. One opener I would use was "If you were to drop everything, jump on a plane and travel to any where in the world, where would you go and why". I initially would get very decent and genuine responses from that, and the same with other openers I would send. However around the end of 2016 and into early 2017 a I started to notice I would get the same response from women, saying they would go to the same place, and some just seemed off about their profiles as well.
 

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Dunno if this is being rolled out on the net at large currently (or if it fits this thread 100%,) but:

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adq1814

Saw this being reposted by ZeroHedge and Popular Science; a study with Chat-GPT4 with the aim of "deprogramming" conspiracy theorists. I didn't believe the article at face value so I decided to look at the report cited and...
To do so, we developed a pipeline for conducting behavioral science research using real-time, personalized interactions between research subjects and AI. Across two experiments, 2190 Americans articulated—in their own words—a conspiracy theory in which they believe, along with the evidence they think supports this theory. They then engaged in a three-round conversation with the LLM GPT-4 Turbo, which we prompted to respond to this specific evidence while trying to reduce participants' belief in the conspiracy theory (or, as a control condition, to converse with the AI about an unrelated topic).
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Makes me wonder if something like this is possible with social media bots, and if so, for how long it's been happening.
 
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Dunno if this is being rolled out on the net at large currently (or if it fits this thread 100%,) but:

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adq1814

Saw this being reposted by ZeroHedge and Popular Science; a study with Chat-GPT4 with the aim of "deprogramming" conspiracy theorists. I didn't believe the article at face value so I decided to look at the report cited and...

science.adq1814-fa.jpg

Makes me wonder if something like this is possible with social media bots, and if so, for how long it's been happening.
Behavioral science is fucking terrifying.

What's even more concerning about that post is that they don't take into consideration the possibility of whether or not it may be true, they just try to convince the person that there's no way it could be true. Sure a lot of conspiracy theories are just schizo bullshit, but a lot of conspiracies are later proven to be correct.

What happens when someone starts to connect dots and realizes that something legitimately doesn't check out, only to be convinced by "someone" on social media that it's not possible? To be frank, that's using bots to cover up evidence of corruption.
 
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(man-made horrors beyond comprehension)
Oh it's happening. Pretty much every contentious topic online (particularly social media) has been astroturfed to present a "unanimously accepted view." Because it's not just about persons who might go to plebbit to disagree; we have to take into account even passerby over such sites, who might read a thread on politics, but not engage with upvotes and posting. The stage is set for a viewpoint to be dispersed and then upvoted to the top of the page so that, to a layperson, the notion that this belief is hierarchy-wise at the top is set. Even Facebook now has a similar system with "most relevant" comments appearing at the top. These will most likely be an AI-generated response that has been liked and positively reacted to a number of times vastly disproportionate to the amount of time it has been up. Notice how the profiles that like such post are usually nondescript persons (could be generated from thispersondoesnotexist and similar sites) who seem to have little interaction outside of 'liking' posts. I imagine India-based click farms are also at play here.

This also ties up to certain channels as SparkyWilson said who have their subs inflated through click farms (although that most likely is about drawing in viewers for that sweet ad revenue and not social engineering per se).

they just try to convince the person that there's no way it could be true.
Yeah, that's the crux of the matter. They want to minimise the Overton window so that no one is even capable of thinking outside of the context they have hand-crafted to uphold the regime. Yeah, flat earthers are retards. But they now use every disagreement with "the experts" to basically throw you in the same basket as them. And most people don't want to be taken for lunatics, so they back down. I imagine that in a post about, let's say the vaccine, it's not unthinkable to have bots make fun of posts questioning its efficacy by correlating them to flat earthers or other schizos.
 
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You're not wrong. I think using >redditcostanzayeahrightsmirk as an example is perfect for this because even >redditcostanzayeahrightsmirk itself (as in the corporate entity that runs the website) has been very transparent on this topic and fully admitted that they detected troll farms engaging in exactly that in the leadup to the 2016 election (primarily in 2015 and 2016). I forget if they mentioned bots being involves, but they absolutely stated that there were troll farms/click farms being utilized and that they had banned a very large number of accounts (and these were merely the ones that got caught). There's no doubt that the people engaging in these sorts of acts would want to use AI, the benefits are obvious and I have zero doubts that they are already doing this (and as I have expressed elsewhere on Agora, I believe using AI for this purpose predates ChatGPT and that tool hitting mainstream popularity merely brought the idea into public focus)

TLDR - It is an absolute incontrovertible fact that humans employed by troll farms / click farms (whatever you want to call them) were being utilized for this in mass scale a decade ago. Now we have advanced AI tools that are easily and readily available for anyone to use, so why wouldn't those tools be used for it now? It's common sense.


we have to take into account even passerby over such sites
Not just that, but a lot of mainstream "news" sites just post bullshit from >redditcostanzayeahrightsmirk anyway so there's lots of people who will read >redditcostanzayeahrightsmirk content without even being aware of it.
they now use every disagreement with "the experts" to basically throw you in the same basket as them
That happened to me during covid. Actually I lost a friend over it. After the initial scare of covid was starting to wind down and we were almost at the point of vaccine distribution I expressed that covid was just a bad flu. A guy I know who I thought was my friend found my comment expressing this (it was on >redditcostanzayeahrightsmirk and he knew my >redditcostanzayeahrightsmirk account, I don't use >redditcostanzayeahrightsmirk anymore but I did pretty regularly for a long time because I was active in a local community) and he became very upset and confronted me over my statement. He accused me of going against what medical professionals were saying and he accused me of being an anti-vaxxer and some other bullshit buzzwords that I can't remember. Now it's 2024 and we know that covid is just a bad flu and that the vaccine we received for it wasn't fully tested yet and that it had harmful effects on the health of a lot of people (myself included, it almost fucking killed me and that's not an exaggeration I literally started writing instructions for my wife in the event of my death). Neither of these things are conspiracies, they are incontrovertible facts, but if you say them than you will be labeled as a wacko ultra right wing maga conspiracy theorist because that's what the media labeled you as and low-IQ morons just repeat whatever they're told and will outright ignore any facts that contradict what they have been programmed to repeat.
 
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These will most likely be an AI-generated response that has been liked and positively reacted to a number of times vastly disproportionate to the amount of time it has been up. Notice how the profiles that like such post are usually nondescript persons (could be generated from thispersondoesnotexist and similar sites) who seem to have little interaction outside of 'liking' posts. I imagine India-based click farms are also at play here.

This also ties up to certain channels as SparkyWilson said who have their subs inflated through click farms (although that most likely is about drawing in viewers for that sweet ad revenue and not social engineering per se).

Yeah, that's the crux of the matter. They want to minimise the Overton window so that no one is even capable of thinking outside of the context they have hand-crafted to uphold the regime. Yeah, flat earthers are retards. But they now use every disagreement with "the experts" to basically throw you in the same basket as them. And most people don't want to be taken for lunatics, so they back down. I imagine that in a post about, let's say the vaccine, it's not unthinkable to have bots make fun of posts questioning its efficacy by correlating them to flat earthers or other schizos.
been done since at least 1996. TINC, never forget. "There in No Cabal", remember Who said that?.... (no one other but Bill Gates acolades...)
Not just that, but a lot of mainstream "news" sites just post bullshit from >redditcostanzayeahrightsmirk anyway so there's lots of people who will read >redditcostanzayeahrightsmirk content without even being aware of it.
yeah... clickhole, buzzfeed, KYM... all big circlejerk, TINC a la carte...
Neither of these things are conspiracies, they are incontrovertible facts, but if you say them than you will be labeled as a wacko ultra right wing maga conspiracy theorist because that's what the media labeled you as and low-IQ morons just repeat whatever they're told and will outright ignore any facts that contradict what they have been programmed to repeat
TINC. how to make your opponent impossible, but to destroy what he say, why he say? we dont need "opposition", everybody "sane enough; can tell" We are the winners! all they say is, "kill all the heathens!", really We cant stand reality, therefore - "Reality is to everyone's own picture (all is relative)!" - what is, than all, more dangerous than people that can get along !!! what a traversty, really! how could they! "This is what WE DONT DO, IN CIVIL SOCIETY!!!!" (ofcourse...)
 
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That happened to me during covid. Actually I lost a friend over it. After the initial scare of covid was starting to wind down and we were almost at the point of vaccine distribution I expressed that covid was just a bad flu. A guy I know who I thought was my friend found my comment expressing this (it was on >redditcostanzayeahrightsmirk and he knew my >redditcostanzayeahrightsmirk account, I don't use >redditcostanzayeahrightsmirk anymore but I did pretty regularly for a long time because I was active in a local community) and he became very upset and confronted me over my statement. He accused me of going against what medical professionals were saying and he accused me of being an anti-vaxxer and some other bullshit buzzwords that I can't remember. Now it's 2024 and we know that covid is just a bad flu and that the vaccine we received for it wasn't fully tested yet and that it had harmful effects on the health of a lot of people (myself included, it almost fucking killed me and that's not an exaggeration I literally started writing instructions for my wife in the event of my death). Neither of these things are conspiracies, they are incontrovertible facts, but if you say them than you will be labeled as a wacko ultra right wing maga conspiracy theorist because that's what the media labeled you as and low-IQ morons just repeat whatever they're told and will outright ignore any facts that contradict what they have been programmed to repeat.
I have expressed an opinion somewhere on the Road about this, and it basically amounted to normal, everyday people being bombarded with a ceaseless barrage of agitprop (mainly by bots) to the point where their mental faculties have warped and they lash out at their circle. The media bombards you with "bad vibes" and then insinuate the reason you feel so terribly all the time are those damn rascals who won't just shut up and do as they're told. Younger people don't remember this, but there was a time when you could hang out and have discussions with people you disagreed with on various "important" topics.

Arguably, the fact we can no longer have that is the reason I joined the Road to have discussions that challenge the establishment, because you can't do that on social media. That, and the fact that you are tied to all social media by your personhood nowadays. You have to pass through a lot of hoops to make a shitposting account and it's usually not worth the effort because they'll shadowban you anyway.

I can't recall any point before 2016 where a person would look up something I said online, that did not even directly address them, and proceed to lose their shit over it and nuke our interpersonal relationship. Flame wars on old fora was one thing, you said something, someone called you a retard, you called them a faggot, and you both walked away. This politicisation of everything has real-life consequences, as you also shared. I can't comprehend a person just cutting off contact for such a statement. Weakling behaviour.
 
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I have expressed an opinion somewhere on the Road about this, and it basically amounted to normal, everyday people being bombarded with a ceaseless barrage of agitprop (mainly by bots) to the point where their mental faculties have warped and they lash out at their circle. The media bombards you with "bad vibes" and then insinuate the reason you feel so terribly all the time are those damn rascals who won't just shut up and do as they're told. Younger people don't remember this, but there was a time when you could hang out and have discussions with people you disagreed with on various "important" topics.

Arguably, the fact we can no longer have that is the reason I joined the Road to have discussions that challenge the establishment, because you can't do that on social media. That, and the fact that you are tied to all social media by your personhood nowadays. You have to pass through a lot of hoops to make a shitposting account and it's usually not worth the effort because they'll shadowban you anyway.

I can't recall any point before 2016 where a person would look up something I said online, that did not even directly address them, and proceed to lose their shit over it and nuke our interpersonal relationship. Flame wars on old fora was one thing, you said something, someone called you a retard, you called them a faggot, and you both walked away. This politicisation of everything has real-life consequences, as you also shared. I can't comprehend a person just cutting off contact for such a statement. Weakling behaviour.
yesterweb strives toward this, if it was, ofc then, good! (the old ways - not nowadays, cancel culture witch-hunt)
 
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been done since at least 1996. TINC, never forget. "There in No Cabal", remember Who said that?.... (no one other but Bill Gates acolades...)
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The media bombards you with "bad vibes" and then insinuate the reason you feel so terribly all the time are those damn rascals who won't just shut up and do as they're told
That's good shit, I'm writing that down in my journal.
Younger people don't remember this, but there was a time when you could hang out and have discussions with people you disagreed with on various "important" topics.
I remember this so I'm really not sure how other people my age don't.
I can't comprehend a person just cutting off contact for such a statement. Weakling behaviour
I don't get it either. The guy was a loser though so I'm not particularly upset about losing the friendship, just perplexed that someone would get so upset over it.

I think - in addition to what we have already discussed - a lot of people have trouble comprehending other people's perspectives also. I see this with one of my other friends, he's an American guy and we get along pretty well despite disagreeing on a lot but I get the feeling that any time I voice my opinion on something slightly political he seems to think I'm a big retard but it always seems like he can't understand my perspective at all. For example we recently had a disagreement on climate change because I said that I don't think we're going to die in the next decade like some extremists are claiming and my belief for this statement comes from that fact that there was a warming period during the middle ages and during this period grapes for wine were grown in northern England and even today it's still not warm enough to do that. He seemed to have a really hard time wrapping his head around this and resorted to telling me that I'm not a scientist. It's really frustrating to deal with people like that sometimes because how can you have a serious discussion if you're not allowed to consider things?
 
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Interestingly enough that part of my post you quoted just below answers it. Agitprop is short for 'agitation propaganda' (notoriously used by the USSR) wherein the propaganda employed does not call for patriotic fervour or similar exultation of the state/nation, but instead is meant to make you feel agitated so the system can direct your animosity and frustration more easily to whatever end it desires.

just perplexed that someone would get so upset over it.
By-product of agitprop. If one has their hands on the levers of cultural production and discourse, they could make people unreasonably mad over liking oregano chips instead of regular. Thing is your friend would probably not react this way, were he not constantly bombarded with the message that everyone who is even mildly critical of the vax (or perhaps even simply stressed about getting a shot, that's a thing too for many folks) is subhuman garbage out to end the human race. This fearmongering hate campaign backfired so hard The Atlantic proposed a "Pandemic Amnesty" to absolve them of all wrongdoing because uwu they didn't know any better when they separated the elderly and disadvantaged from their support units. (BTW this article also reeks of AI generation).

I think - in addition to what we have already discussed - a lot of people have trouble comprehending other people's perspectives also.
This is very concerning, and it's twofold. On one hand, people's analytical skills have been dulled; I think we discussed this a bit in the NPC thread. On the other hand, many people have been subsumed by their social media echo chambers to the point where any interaction where they are not showered with praise or at the very least feeling like they are among people of their exact disposition that they consider any opposing voice a form of white noise. They cannot counteract it because they never learned how, nanny states make sure you won't ever hear anything slightly controversial or against your worldview, so they literally BSOD when confronted with opposition. Their go-to response is to pretend-listen to what you say and then go "Yeah, anyway [normie slop ad infinitum.]"

maybe he meant this
As always, S_p has peered deeper than any of us into the truth. It broke his mind, but that's what you get for staring too long into the abyss.
 
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This is very concerning, and it's twofold. On one hand, people's analytical skills have been dulled; I think we discussed this a bit in the NPC thread. On the other hand, many people have been subsumed by their social media echo chambers to the point where any interaction where they are not showered with praise or at the very least feeling like they are among people of their exact disposition that they consider any opposing voice a form of white noise. They cannot counteract it because they never learned how, nanny states make sure you won't ever hear anything slightly controversial or against your worldview, so they literally BSOD when confronted with opposition. Their go-to response is to pretend-listen to what you say and then go "Yeah, anyway [normie slop ad infinitum.]"
this
is what
we fight
against (and all you said before)

our reality... what was in jokes only - satire from 15+ years ago...
 
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