Do you believe in evolution? And do you believe that humans and apes shared a common ancestor and that is how humans evolved?

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Do you believe in evolution? Please state your reasons.

I believe in evolution, there's been many studies done and evolution and natural selection is something that can clearly seen in many places in nature. But one thing that I am not so certain about is the theory that humans and apes shared a common ancestor and that's how humans evolved. Something about never made sense. And also we don't know exactly who this common ancestor was and why did it go extinct. Why don't any of the apes nowadays evolve?
 
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Do you believe in evolution? Please state your reasons.

I believe in evolution, there's been many studies done and evolution and natural selection is something that can clearly seen in many places in nature. But one thing that I am not so certain about is the theory that humans and apes shared a common ancestor and that's how humans evolved. Something about never made sense. And also we don't know exactly who this common ancestor was and why did it go extinct. Why don't any of the apes nowadays evolve?
>Do you believe in evolution
Yes
>Please state your reasons
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Why don't any of the apes nowadays evolve?
Because there's no environmental pressure to develop human-like traits. They're doing okay as-is.
 
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Do you believe in evolution?
Yes.
Please state your reasons.
It's the most plausible way for nature to improve species of animals. We've seen it on a small scale with genetically modified plants, we've seen it with cross breeding good animals together for desirable traits. These desirable traits make them more suited to their environment. Their environment being one where Humans are the master species. You see it again, further at the bacterial level where a lot of bacteria are evolving to have resistances.
I believe in evolution, there's been many studies done and evolution and natural selection is something that can clearly seen in many places in nature.
I would suggest reading Darwin's book "On the Origin of Species" if this interests you. It's scientific literature, but it's not too inaccessible.
And also we don't know exactly who this common ancestor was and why did it go extinct.
This is an excellent question. I don't know either. As for why it went extinct? They and us serve similar purposes ecologically, so we probably out competed them to the point they went extinct. Extinction would also mean they were a significant genetic distance from us that they can't breed with us to carry on their species so they were likely a significant physical distance between us and them too(usually geographic events forcing a species to drift apart, usually islands and new landmasses, which is why tectonic plates, archaeology relating to that, and Darwin's theory of evolution all connect together)
Why don't any of the apes nowadays evolve?
They do. Most "evolved" apes die off, because the evolution, the mutations that make them better in their environment, are complete garbage and they get naturally selected out of the gene pool. What you're probably referring to is extremely noticeable evolutions, to the point that the distance between 2 separate groups of them can't breed. Consider the evolution of Asian and White people as an example. They can breed, but there are definite undeniable variations in asians that are noticeable in their phenotypes that you don't see in white people. You can also see this in distant species like the donkey and the horse breeding to produce the sterile mule which cannot breed. The thing is, these big evolutions to the point of incompatibility in breeding take glacial quantities of time and require there to be 2 massively distinct populations.

You yourself are probably an evolution on the human species with some traits that may be better and some worse that your mother(by hypergamy) selected in your father so they can pass that genetic legacy down to you.
 
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Do you believe in evolution? Please state your reasons.

I believe in evolution, there's been many studies done and evolution and natural selection is something that can clearly seen in many places in nature. But one thing that I am not so certain about is the theory that humans and apes shared a common ancestor and that's how humans evolved. Something about never made sense. And also we don't know exactly who this common ancestor was and why did it go extinct. Why don't any of the apes nowadays evolve?
What you mean common ancestor? I mean our great great great grandfathers were our common ancestors. The fact that there is no evidence of them left doesn't mean they didn't exist lol.
Do you mean in a missing link way? Like Sasquatch and such?
 
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What you mean common ancestor? I mean our great great great grandfathers were our common ancestors. The fact that there is no evidence of them left doesn't mean they didn't exist lol.
Do you mean in a missing link way? Like Sasquatch and such?
"The most recent common ancestor (MRCA) of any set of individuals is the most recent individual from which all the people in the group are directly descended."
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"The most recent common ancestor (MRCA) of any set of individuals is the most recent individual from which all the people in the group are directly descended."
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Exactly! That's why I don't understand this "Where did he go" question? Like, uhm, he died maybe? Like any other living creature?
 
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Also, we had many other members of the human genus (Homo) with us that each went extinct for their own reasons (I'm quite fond of the idea that we sexed neanderthals into non-existence). We're the only ones left.
 
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It's the most plausible way for nature to improve species of animals.

You yourself are probably an evolution on the human species with some traits that may be better and some worse that your mother(by hypergamy) selected in your father so they can pass that genetic legacy down to you.
Great answer. Things that come to mind from when I was teaching Evolution: You'd be surprised how many kids hear evolution and think of pokemon-like stuff. Not even directly pokémon, but like there's this notion of evolution being "an improvement" in their heads- faster, smarter, stronger but that's not a good way of understanding it, in fact it's just wrong. The phrase "survival of the fittest" also causes this confusion in my experience. Fittest = Most adjusted to their environment (NOT STRONGEST OR SMARTEST) ~ which ultimately means = most likely to survive long enough to reproduce, more or less. Like, in Biology their kinda is a "defacto" meaning to life: keep the tree of life going, yo. Life / Biology doesn't care how you do it, as long as it works. Evolution is not a mechanism that produces the créme de la creme, straight A students- it's really more interested in about "meh, good enough ~ C'ssssss GET DEGREES YO" If in your creation mutations occured that made you more likely to reproduce and pass those mutations on, then life keeps that shid going. If you roll mutations that hinder that then: how you gonna pass those on, yo? You don't. Another important factor is not comparing organisms. Like, you can't compare a lion and a fish, yo. Maybe in your head you're going, aww yeah lion > fish, no again this shid ain't pokémon motherfugger. Throw a lion in the ocean and a fish in the savannah what happens? They both ducking suck, ok? Because it's about their environment (and more accurately reproduction). Mutations are not good or bad, they are contextual, every single one. Something that works for one organism isn't guaranteed to work for another or something that is absolutely retarded in one context is fuggin brilliant in another. It all depends, yo. Finally, another thing to keep in mind about science in general is that no scientist in the world goes out trying to "prove" anything, ok? There is no absolute truth in science, there is only ever "this is the best model of this aspect of reality that we have at the moment" the more useful, practical, PREDICTABLE the model the more consensus. But no scientist worth their shid will tell you anything is 100%, it's usually just the best we got. In fact, scientists constantly try to DISPROVE things, and let me tell you, I'm pretty sure no motherfuggin theory in Science has been challenged more than evolution, yo. It's pretty tight, ok? True debates about it are really in the details, not general picture. But, no, like for real kids have the craziest misconceptions and there are so many, especially with evolution. They imagine shid like giraffes willed their necks to be long, as if they thought about it.
 
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I don't believe in evolution as it's conventionally taught.
 
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Mutations are not good or bad, they are contextual, every single one.
I hold the opinion most contexts render most mutations bad.
Like, you can't compare a lion and a fish, yo. Maybe in your head you're going, aww yeah lion > fish
A lot of this has to do with the food chain. Different species can compete in different areas of the food chain and in different environments, making it a very difficult ecological thing to argue about. It's very short sighted to say Lion > fish, because if you removed all the fish, and just had lions, you're gonna end up with lions cannibalising themselves, getting prion diseases and going all "Mad cow disease". And saying this, it also comes into Chaos theory, these dynamics are extraordinarily complex that changes are hard to know just how bad or good they are(China's 4 pest disease, eliminating a sparrow that ate some grain, but also ate locusts, causing a huge influx of locusts, causing a huge amount of famine for humans). This point on chaos theory also means the theory of evolution isn't predictable either, and makes it very easy to misunderstand.
scientists constantly try to DISPROVE things, and let me tell you, I'm pretty sure no motherfuggin theory in Science has been challenged more than evolution, yo. It's pretty tight, ok?
Nature of light and the nature of gravity, and arguably even more so, medical science. It used to be good science to keep your humours in check. Even dietary science, if you read Aristotle's secret of secrets you'll see there's a lot of disagreeing information about food there, as it focuses on heavy and light foods, where nowadays we focus on the contents of food.
I don't believe in evolution as it's conventionally taught.
How evolution conventionally taught? How do you believe in evolution?
 
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Glad to see some sane takes on it ITT and also some further understanding of it.
Too many times I've seen people not understanding modern day evolution theory so it's refreshing to see people are actually informed here.
Many think of evolution and "nature" as a very active, hands on deisgn process instead of it being more of a statistical observation.
 
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Do you believe in evolution? Please state your reasons.

I believe in evolution, there's been many studies done and evolution and natural selection is something that can clearly seen in many places in nature. But one thing that I am not so certain about is the theory that humans and apes shared a common ancestor and that's how humans evolved. Something about never made sense. And also we don't know exactly who this common ancestor was and why did it go extinct. Why don't any of the apes nowadays evolve?
I do believe in evolution. I don't think I have to state why. It's been proven over and over again, still clinging onto creationism would make you akin to a flat-earther when it's been proven over and over again that we live on a spherical (slightly elliptic) object. Really I don't think this needs an explanation. Some people say we have been seeded from another star system (Sirius) by another species, but I find this explanation more to be worthy of a sci-fi novel than an actual thing. I'll consider it fantastical BS until proven otherwise.

How do you think apes don't evolve though? Evolution is observed over tens of thousands, if not millions of years. I think they may be "slower" than us or just have no incentive to evolve like we do, really. Some species evolve and adapt, some don't. I could ask why living fossils didn't evolve and have retained more or less the same aspect and physiology from millions of years ago. They simply didn't have the incentive to. Something singular may have occured and triggered this kind of evolution for us. Nature is kind of random at times. You just have to have a slightly smarter ape evolve and reproduce, and that will give some more smarter apes, who will then reproduce with one another, but for this to happen, you got to have the right combination of genes and alleles, which is part of the randomness of genetics. That's how it works imo.
 
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They simply didn't have the incentive to
This. There's organisms more or less as old as life itself and if they find their biological niche and that niche stays unaffected then they won't change. AFAIK there's some marine life especially in the lower depths that didn't change much for very very long times.
Sharks too are also known to have been around more or less unaltered for very long.
 
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How evolution conventionally taught? How do you believe in evolution?
Sure. Conventionally people are taught that humans evolved from single cell organisms but there's no evidence of this. I understand that humans, dogs, and marsupials can diversify into a number of related subspecies but I don't think that translates.

Furthermore, information is a massive enemy of evolution. I have a cool job where I get to consider things like space radiation which can flip bits at complete random, unfortunately it's never improved anything so you need correction algorithms (like what DNA has). I don't see how a correction algorithm could evolve in life which only survives through natural selection (both good and bad mutations are corrected).

So if DNA evolved has a correction algorithm that supports the assumption that random mutations were not beneficial. As for diversification within species? It happens to quickly to be the result of random mutation and natural selection. Some examples are Green anoles, cave fish, and dogs. It's a matter of genes and setting parameters.
 
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Sure. Conventionally people are taught that humans evolved from single cell organisms but there's no evidence of this.
I guess that's fair. When I was teaching my students I remember talking about both this (single to multi) and abiogenesis. This is stuff that happened a really long time ago, obviously no-one was around to witness, so we speculate. We assume life on earth manifested from matter rather than from elsewhere in the universe. We don't KNOW that, but we typically assume it. Same with big milestones along the way. With education, particularly with potentially controversial / politically / religiously-charged topics like evolution, it's important not to lose the forest for the trees, imo.
 
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