Do you care about owning your space on the web?

[bnuungus]

this is all just silly. it really is just a simple question about what you prefer, no need to get all worked up over it

 

[Collision]

A year from now, if someone was reading this thread and considering rolling their own web space (i.e., HTTP server, DNS records, etc.) what would you say to convince them that they shouldn't? If you had to exclude the discoverability/reach/audience/viewership issue what would you say?

Some things this hypothetical person might want to do:

• Publish photographs of an upcoming family vacation
• Publish articles on a variety of topics in a format where a reader can be notified when a new article is published
• Maintain a short biography and list of current contact information

 

[Eden]

A year from now, if someone was reading this thread and considering rolling their own web space (i.e., HTTP server, DNS records, etc.) what would you say to convince them that they shouldn't?

- I think you'll find a thousand reasons you shouldn't.
- I also think society / the current state of the internet / life in general are also giving you signs that you should not do this.
- If I had to personally bet on whether you should do this or not, I would bet not.

In my humble opinion, however, I think you should tell all of the above to "get fucked".

 

[Boxerdog]

You first. You said you think some viewers are inherently more valuable than others.

I already did.

No.Forums, MySpace and Imageboards existed before that.

You have a forum about your local cooking scene in 2004 how do other people know about it other that you telling them? How do other people reach your forum?

My space wasn't a personal website it was social media

But that's where you're wrong. Subcultures form on bigger sites all the time. There's bubbles of interest groups all over YouTube, Facebook, twitter and yes, even Instagram. The medium they use is largely irrelevant for tons of niche hobbies. Just perma online nerds like the average user here think platforms have some inherent spiritual power over the content that's posted there and the users when most don't really give a fuck and just enjoy finding like minded people easily.

What big subculture(and most importantly the things they are know of) fcame from a facebook group that the average person in real life would have a chance of knowing of? I can name plently that formed from personal websites,.

Also Even if that was the case: How would that even be an argument for this being good or bad for expressing yourself to people?

Being an internet famous e-celeb =/= owning you own space on the web.
You can express yourself on youtube and gain billions of views, but that is not what this thread its about, its about having your own website.

No. Especially not people that aren't teenagers anymore.

U.S. average daily media use 2022 | Statista

During the third quarter of 2022, internet users in the United States spent close to 7 hours daily using the internet, and approximately two hours and 16 minutes using social media platforms.

www.statista.com

So these things that people on average spend 2.6 hours on every day has no effect on their identity?

If you spent 2 hours every day practicing the saxophone I can guarantee you being a good sax player would be part of your identity.

Idk, you got any numbers on that?

Yes

YouTube users by country 2023 | Statista

In 2022, India was the country with the most YouTube users by far, followed by the United States, and Indonesia

www.statista.com

Those are in millions.

Your main character syndrome paired with your misanthropy or wherever your disdain for random starngers comes from needs some reflection imo. People aren't ad shallow as you want them to be. Many people congregating on big sites isn't what you think it means.

Maybe you the min maxed main character of the universe its on the big sites but also on the smaller sites but also on that music scene, but also on that opposite music scene, but also on the cocking scene, but also does chrochet, but also its a master saxophone player, but also its on the soccer scene, but also its on the basketball scene, but also...

But for the average person they like what they like and they tend to do what they like as time isn't unlimited, and between work and real life obligations they tent to spend their time focusing on the things that relate to their personal likes and preferences, and those clash with others likes and preferences, that is why they have their own space to do their things.

Lets say you want to play basketball, but people are also playing volleyball, but there are also children playing, but there are also people skateboarding , but there are also people playing tennis, would you rather come here or go to a prober basketball court where the only people there are there to play basketball?

Spoiler

Many people are passionate about many different things and you might be some pleb/NPC/sheep in their eyes for not being as knowledgeable/involved in their spheres as they are.

Yes and that is fine, different scenes different people, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

People are not an amalgam of and pre programed npcs wiht set persnoalities, they're dfferent people with different interests, and that is fine.

Web/tech stuff is just one avenue and whatever medium people use to talk/enjoy/express about their niche isn't as relevant as you want it to be.

The only medium worth a damm its real life interactions where you get real life experiences, everything else its just there to facilitate it.

Again being interenet famous=/= owning your own space in the web

If some boomers want to talk about model trains in their Facebook group then that's completely valid and they don't need to host their own site to satisfy your elitist ass.

They don't, but me hosting my own trains website has nothing to do with them, they're not in my scene, they're on facebooks scene(including their own rules and reguilations) and that's fine. But I guarantee you if they are really into trains and know about the site, they'll probably make an account, people with hobbies tend to congregate where there are people with the same hobbies.

This is the biggest facebook model train group I can find.

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This is a forum

Spoiler

Food for thought.

If some fashion chicks use Instagram to post/browse about a certain fashion style or subculture then that's also ok and they wouldn't benefit at all from self hosting.

Being an internet famous e-celeb =/= owning you own space on the web.

Just because many people consume trash content on big sites a lot, doesn't mean that most people are shallow. I just know too many people to know for certain that the NPC meme is just that. a meme.

Yes, but that doesn't mean anything, I don't know why you brought that up, this is about owning your space on the web.

 

[Regal]

There are a lot of reasons not to host your own stuff. Mainly that it is a huge pain in the ass. I work in tech professionally and want to minimize the tech overhead I have outside of my career. I want convenience. I don't want to have to micromanage technology (especially DNS and other services from ancient internet). I don't want to have to code a website when I can drag-and-drop on a Squarespace/Wix template and also host there. I don't want to have to program and troubleshoot smart home products. I don't want to have a local file server. Etc, etc. I would rather spend my time doing non-tech projects.

Now, is there value in people out there who are interested in doing that? Absolutely.

 

[Eden]

Two short blog posts discussing personal websites and the challenges that come with having one:

1. How Much Does it Cost to Have a Website? (some guy I recently came across)
2. Website complexities ~ Written by @niuenso (the creator of this thread btw)

Just mentioning them here as food for thought.

 

[Andy Kaufman]

I already did.

You have a forum about your local cooking scene in 2004 how do other people know about it other that you telling them? How do other people reach your forum?

My space wasn't a personal website it was social media


What big subculture(and most importantly the things they are know of) fcame from a facebook group that the average person in real life would have a chance of knowing of? I can name plently that formed from personal websites,.

Being an internet famous e-celeb =/= owning you own space on the web.
You can express yourself on youtube and gain billions of views, but that is not what this thread its about, its about having your own website.

U.S. average daily media use 2022 | Statista

During the third quarter of 2022, internet users in the United States spent close to 7 hours daily using the internet, and approximately two hours and 16 minutes using social media platforms.

www.statista.com

So these things that people on average spend 2.6 hours on every day has no effect on their identity?

If you spent 2 hours every day practicing the saxophone I can guarantee you being a good sax player would be part of your identity.


Yes

YouTube users by country 2023 | Statista

In 2022, India was the country with the most YouTube users by far, followed by the United States, and Indonesia

www.statista.com

Those are in millions.




Maybe you the min maxed main character of the universe its on the big sites but also on the smaller sites but also on that music scene, but also on that opposite music scene, but also on the cocking scene, but also does chrochet, but also its a master saxophone player, but also its on the soccer scene, but also its on the basketball scene, but also...

But for the average person they like what they like and they tend to do what they like as time isn't unlimited, and between work and real life obligations they tent to spend their time focusing on the things that relate to their personal likes and preferences, and those clash with others likes and preferences, that is why they have their own space to do their things.

Lets say you want to play basketball, but people are also playing volleyball, but there are also children playing, but there are also people skateboarding , but there are also people playing tennis, would you rather come here or go to a prober basketball court where the only people there are there to play basketball?

Spoiler

Yes and that is fine, different scenes different people, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

People are not an amalgam of and pre programed npcs wiht set persnoalities, they're dfferent people with different interests, and that is fine.



The only medium worth a damm its real life interactions where you get real life experiences, everything else its just there to facilitate it.

Again being interenet famous=/= owning your own space in the web


They don't, but me hosting my own trains website has nothing to do with them, they're not in my scene, they're on facebooks scene(including their own rules and reguilations) and that's fine. But I guarantee you if they are really into trains and know about the site, they'll probably make an account, people with hobbies tend to congregate where there are people with the same hobbies.

This is the biggest facebook model train group I can find.

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This is a forum

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Food for thought.





Being an internet famous e-celeb =/= owning you own space on the web.



Yes, but that doesn't mean anything, I don't know why you brought that up, this is about owning your space on the web.

I don't really get half your points and I don't think you got mine. You rewriting history doesnt help either. I don't know why you keep bringing up e-celebs and fame too when I was just suggesting using someone else's site as a venue for your interests/expression because it saves time, money and effort.
For the 10th time now: Personal websites aren't the optimal solution for everyone and using big sites is ok, there's not some esoteric taint on those platforms.
My point is 100% about pragmatism.

 

[Boxerdog]

You rewriting history doesnt help either.

You can't just say that and not provide the examples and the correct version of it, wtf?
Real easy to just say it and not back it up.

I don't know why you keep bringing up e-celebs and fame too when I was just suggesting using someone else's site as a venue for your interests/expression because it saves time, money and effort.

You most certainly did not.

Spoiler

If you want to reach many people for whatever reason (show them you art, propagate your politics, ask for help, seek like minded people in a large group and many more) a personal website can't beat the big sites and it's not even a matter of convenience since it isn't a matter of effort to reach that many people online with your own site. Can't just amass the same amount of regular visitors as rëddit with just diligence.

The positive feedback wasn't part of my argument. You can make weird, niche art or have fringe political takes but going on a big site means that you get a huge pool of potential interaction to build an audience to begin with. Even if just 1 out of 1000 stays that's better chances than what you'd get by self hosting.

How would you even gauge the quality of a view? Someone who silently views something is usually only expressed by an integer increasing. If that's on >reddit or on your website. Sounds like you want just a circle jerk of hipsters that huff their own farts for fun.

You said that you want to reach a bigger audience, and I said that If you post x on something like reeddit you will reach a bigger audience, but it would be a lower quality audience than the ones that would organically reach it in your website. Then you posted an image where everybody has the same thought bubble despite arguing that people aren't alike.

Please do not try to rewrite history.


In your boomer train scenario the self hosted forum has a substantially bigger audience than a facebook group(which tends to be the more personal form of social media), reeddit has an even bigger model train community, but the difference between the 2 is that reeddit is people just showing off their toys(like social media) and begginers asking questions.
It has no form of actual discussion on the hobby and the culture surrounding it, which its fine for what it is, just that what it its its lower quality than the forum.

You don't seem to understand that being e-famous and hosting your own website are 2 different things and are not mutually exclusive.

I am still wanting for you to define right people, Show me a subculture that developed in a corporate non hosted site, explain to me how before big social media people found others personal website and how big websites became know back in the day and why people who are part of an specific subculture would not prefer to have a space that its not tailored to their own specific cultural world view, instead of posting on reeddit for example.

And you don't seem to understand that Its ok for you to want to reach an bigger audience by watering down your product, you do not have to appeal to a specific group of people within a sub culture if you just want to reach an bigger audience, the only reason why would would want to do that its to cultivate and expand said culture that you and your art/product its a part of.

If you don't want to have that effort that is fine, nobody its forcing you.

If you want to reach the world, it would be pretty hard if all you did was have a model train website, if you really want to be e-famous, just make(or pay someone to) make crazy rollercoaster style train city things and post 10 second videos on reeddit, youtube shorts and what not, I guarantee you will get a lot of views. Are all those views quality views? No, it would be mostly children, junkies, people that do not care about model trains in the slightest, but you will reach the bigger audience you wanted.
Its watered down enough to reach those people. Its everything that makes model trains cool but without having to participate in the culture that comes behind it.
You would love this tv show named big bang theory, now that, that show had a lots of views.

 

[bnuungus]

oh my fuck, i cant even tell what you guys are trying to say anymore. this argument has devolved into such needless nitpicking that the original point was lost and you just cant let go. at this point it's completely pointless to try to argue anything bc it's so far removed from what you're trying to say

 

[Andy Kaufman]

oh my fuck, i cant even tell what you guys are trying to say anymore. this argument has devolved into such needless nitpicking that the original point was lost and you just cant let go. at this point it's completely pointless to try to argue anything bc it's so far removed from what you're trying to say

This. He's not arguing in good faith anymore either, twisting words and misinterpreting for the sake of it anyway.

You can't just say that and not provide the examples and the correct version of it, wtf?
Real easy to just say it and not back it up.



You most certainly did not.

You said that you want to reach a bigger audience, and I said that If you post x on something like reeddit you will reach a bigger audience, but it would be a lower quality audience than the ones that would organically reach it in your website. Then you posted an image where everybody has the same thought bubble despite arguing that people aren't alike.

Please do not try to rewrite history.


In your boomer train scenario the self hosted forum has a substantially bigger audience than a facebook group(which tends to be the more personal form of social media), reeddit has an even bigger model train community, but the difference between the 2 is that reeddit is people just showing off their toys(like social media) and begginers asking questions.
It has no form of actual discussion on the hobby and the culture surrounding it, which its fine for what it is, just that what it its its lower quality than the forum.

You don't seem to understand that being e-famous and hosting your own website are 2 different things and are not mutually exclusive.

I am still wanting for you to define right people, Show me a subculture that developed in a corporate non hosted site, explain to me how before big social media people found others personal website and how big websites became know back in the day and why people who are part of an specific subculture would not prefer to have a space that its not tailored to their own specific cultural world view, instead of posting on reeddit for example.

And you don't seem to understand that Its ok for you to want to reach an bigger audience by watering down your product, you do not have to appeal to a specific group of people within a sub culture if you just want to reach an bigger audience, the only reason why would would want to do that its to cultivate and expand said culture that you and your art/product its a part of.

If you don't want to have that effort that is fine, nobody its forcing you.

If you want to reach the world, it would be pretty hard if all you did was have a model train website, if you really want to be e-famous, just make(or pay someone to) make crazy rollercoaster style train city things and post 10 second videos on reeddit, youtube shorts and what not, I guarantee you will get a lot of views. Are all those views quality views? No, it would be mostly children, junkies, people that do not care about model trains in the slightest, but you will reach the bigger audience you wanted.
Its watered down enough to reach those people. Its everything that makes model trains cool but without having to participate in the culture that comes behind it.
You would love this tv show named big bang theory, now that, that show had a lots of views.

Many words with little meaning, forcing me to either repeat myself over and over again or forcing me to say: "I did not even say that again". You can just reread my older posts ITT again.
I also think that your disdain for the average person and big sites makes you talk about things you didn't spend a lot of time with so you try to construct an outsider's narrative to feel superior. The big bang theory comment just being the cherry on top. This has nothing to do with my original argument of pragmatism anymore.
I remain unconvinced that self hosting is the universally superior option or that whatever you self host is always of higher quality since passion and dedication is in all kinds of people and only a fraction of those are in the tech bubble so that they would self host. Then. again, me just not hating most people has probably something to do with that. If you come from arrogance and false superiority, your version of the world surely makes sense.

 

[shinobu]

Where I live I can either buy the cheap domains from my country, but my full name and ID would be made public to anyone who cares to look, or buy an expensive domain and pay in US dollars (a big no-no considering the current economic situation in my country)
So I care a little bit, but not enough to pay for the hosting.

Still, I have a personal website that I keep locally as a bunch of HTML/CSS/JS files and images. It's rad but I keep it to myself for now. One day I may host it somewhere.

 

[aYEOEt41yr]

I got a little tired of the direction of social media so I recently left any traditional sites a few weeks ago to see what it's like being a limited user of the net again

 

[Boxerdog]

Many words with little meaning, forcing me to either repeat myself over and over again or forcing me to say: "I did not even say that again". You can just reread my older posts ITT again.

If you think that words though a glowing screen are "forcing" you to do anything then you have bigger problems than website hosting, calm down.
Wtf lol

I also think that your disdain for the average person

Can you quote where I said I disdain the average person or is that something you came up in your head?

This is not forcing you to do it, just politely asking because I am really confused where that came from.
The average person could be literally anybody, but if you're really into extreme skyscraper parkour you would extreme skyscraper parkour resources to come from a extreme skyscraper parkour website where only extreme skyscraper parkour people frequent, The model train guy opinion means nothing in the realm of extreme skyscraper parkour and and yours means nothing in the model train realm.
Both of those are an average person, just into different things.

I don't disdain them wtf, tism?(Legit Question).

This has nothing to do with my original argument of pragmatism anymore.

Is is pragmatic to not have an website if you want to reach a big audience? = yes
Its posting on "big website" getting you quality Engagement for your project? = no

I cannot make it more simple than that.

I remain unconvinced that self hosting is the universally superior option or that whatever you self host is always of higher quality since passion and dedication is in all kinds of people and only a fraction of those are in the tech bubble so that they would self host.

Hosting a website has never been easier, I have no idea why you think that you have to be some Unix ogre to run a website, every random e-girl has one(god bless them).

Also I don't need to convince you this is on a public website you already said that you don't want to have to put in the (minimal) effort to host your own website, but this is a thread about owning your own space on the web, people can read the posts for themselves and figure it out.

Then. again, me just not hating most people has probably something to do with that. If you come from arrogance and false superiority, your version of the world surely makes sense.

Wat

Internet psychoanalysis time, this just in boxerdog hates most people, Andy kaufman said It!11!1!!
WTF lol.

 

[Andy Kaufman]

If you think that words though a glowing screen are "forcing" you to do anything then you have bigger problems than website hosting, calm down.
Wtf lol

Figure of speech...

Can you quote where I said I disdain the average person or is that something you came up in your head?

When you call the majority of internet users junkies or their views "low" quality, it just appears that way.

Is is pragmatic to not have an website if you want to reach a big audience? = yes
Its posting on "big website" getting you quality Engagement for your project? = no

But that's where you are wrong. You still get quality engagement. It's not mutually exclusive.

Hosting a website has never been easier, I have no idea why you think that you have to be some Unix ogre to run a website, every random e-girl has one(god bless them).

Still way too much effort and costs for most purposes if an existing site or subreddit already exists.

Wat
Internet psychoanalysis time, this just in boxerdog hates most people, Andy kaufman said It!11!1!!
WTF lol.

You certainly think less of them.

 

[Boxerdog]

When you call the majority of internet users junkies or their views "low" quality, it just appears that way.

The majority of people on internet do not participate into extreme skyscraping parkour when, they post "wooow so dangerous these guys are idiots" or "wowww thats so cool these guys are awesome" It Means nothing to the they don't know, not that they can't know, they can if they did said activity, but they don't. Therefore low quality. While in a dedicated website some guy would be discussing with you the best way of doing a double backflip between 30ft drops because he is part of it and that discussion will directly contribute to the extreme skyscraping parkour community. Therefore quality. The same guy posting on a big website about how cool and rad this downhill skatebaording clip is would be low quality, even though they are the same person, just into their own things.
Its not the majority of internet users, everybody its low quality pertaining to something, including me and you, you can't do everything and be proficient and well knowledged in everything at the same time. The only people who think that are people that do nothing and aren't a part of anything.

I don't know how to put it in more simple way.

And yes e-junkies, worldwide ~26% of people are online constantly, we already went over this psoted the data yadda yadda.

But that's where you are wrong. You still get quality engagement. It's not mutually exclusive.

It could be yes, There is Gold in manure, but its mostly shit, and you're willingly going head deep on it. Which its fine but chances are you're just wallowing in shit.
I am just showing you a better option, if you want to play with cowpoop that's on you. If you do it you will get a lot of views.

Still way too much effort and costs for most purposes if an existing site or subreddit already exists.

It costs less than 50$ and you click a couple buttons, it takes 15 mins to set up a simple wordpress website. If that is too much effort I don't know what to tell you.

You certainly think less of them.

I don't and I told you to quote it where you came up with that or did you hallucinated it, maybe I should've "forced" you to quote instead.



Edit:

I just saw you made this post, ok you got me this is bait, either that or you have Disassociative disorder.

Why can't you share it with us the average person bro? WTF lol

 

[Andy Kaufman]

The majority of people on internet do not participate into extreme skyscraping parkour when, they post "wooow so dangerous these guys are idiots" or "wowww thats so cool these guys are awesome" It Means nothing to the they don't know, not that they can't know, they can if they did said activity, but they don't. Therefore low quality. While in a dedicated website some guy would be discussing with you the best way of doing a double backflip between 30ft drops because he is part of it and that discussion will directly contribute to the extreme skyscraping parkour community. Therefore quality. The same guy posting on a big website about how cool and rad this downhill skatebaording clip is would be low quality, even though they are the same person, just into their own things.
Its not the majority of internet users, everybody its low quality pertaining to something, including me and you, you can't do everything and be proficient and well knowledged in everything at the same time. The only people who think that are people that do nothing and aren't a part of anything.

Ok! I can agree with that sentiment of "low quality", I might have just misunderstood the wording. I still have to disagree with you on the point that it needs a dedicated website. On smaller subreddits you find the same and the big ruckus from onlookers doesn't even find themselves there, yet the subreddit is very accessible and completely suffices for most discussions. You can post images, videos and comment on them and many dedicated people gather there. Depending on the project/subject matter, subreddits are hosting the most talented and knowledgable people of that sphere.

It could be yes, There is Gold in manure, but its mostly shit, and you're willingly going head deep on it. Which its fine but chances are you're just wallowing in shit.
I am just showing you a better option, if you want to play with cowpoop that's on you. If you do it you will get a lot of views.

Not from my personal experience. I found niche interest groups on YT, facebook and even twitter. Even though I've had my twitter account for only 4 months, I found people there that I chat with to this day about certain things and their community there is still strong. Bubbles form quickly on these big sites and not everything is always visited constantly by everyone else. Casting a big net like this for niche interests usually means that you just get more people who either already are deep into it or are beginners who are really looking to get into it. Outsiders and bothersome people just don't find themselves in niche interest groups, be it on big or small sites. On big sites you just have the advantage of having ease of access and visibility.

It costs less than 50$ and you click a couple buttons, it takes 15 mins to set up a simple wordpress website. If that is too much effort I don't know what to tell you.

Still too much depending on what you post. If you want to discuss like we do right now, it's better to just use a space where people already congregate. Even all the enthusiasts will gather in one place instead of everyone making their own. Maybe we can call this "self hosting" as in the community self hosts, then I could get behind it. But everyone just making their own site and sitting on their isolated islands hoping everyone else leaves their own is silly for many reasons.

 

[Boxerdog]

Now its my internet Psychoanalysis time.

This will probably be my last one because I suspect you have a form of Schizophrenia or is in the autism spectrum, no normal person would blatantly have conflicting view points all the time without a DID.
Its like that meme where the girl argued with the guy for hours about how good orange juice was but the guy was a piss fetishist and enjoyed drinking piss.
We are unfortunately not in the same plane of existance. I leave the the posts out there for people that stumble on this thread, they can make their own minds for themselves.

Resources for Schizophrenia: Treatment and Medical Support

There are many different resources for treating, diagnosing, and supporting someone with schizophrenia.

psychcentral.com

Autism Help Hotline — American Autism Association

www.myautism.org

Ok! I can agree with that sentiment of "low quality", I might have just misunderstood the wording. I still have to disagree with you on the point that it needs a dedicated website. On smaller subreddits you find the same and the big ruckus from onlookers doesn't even find themselves there, yet the subreddit is very accessible and completely suffices for most discussions. You can post images, videos and comment on them and many dedicated people gather there. Depending on the project/subject matter, subreddits are hosting the most talented and knowledgable people of that sphere.

Not from my personal experience. I found niche interest groups on YT, facebook and even twitter. Even though I've had my twitter account for only 4 months, I found people there that I chat with to this day about certain things and their community there is still strong. Bubbles form quickly on these big sites and not everything is always visited constantly by everyone else. Casting a big net like this for niche interests usually means that you just get more people who either already are deep into it or are beginners who are really looking to get into it. Outsiders and bothersome people just don't find themselves in niche interest groups, be it on big or small sites. On big sites you just have the advantage of having ease of access and visibility.

You are under their rules and terms and your so called culture its owned and shaped by their regulations instead of organically forming, the real culture its IRL the internet its just there to facillitate it.

They can nuke you at any time and mold your culture to fit their thing.

If you want to be an e-celeb and don't care go for it.

Still too much depending on what you post. If you want to discuss like we do right now, it's better to just use a space where people already congregate. Even all the enthusiasts will gather in one place instead of everyone making their own. Maybe we can call this "self hosting" as in the community self hosts, then I could get behind it. But everyone just making their own site and sitting on their isolated islands hoping everyone else leaves their own is silly for many reasons.

Thats how the internet was for the longest time, all of those sites aren't isolated, they are connected culturally, though webrings, and IRL.

If you have no IRL friends and no cultural ties to anything that is a personal problem. The internet its not real.




Below its a list of the questions you haven't answered and just skipped though, please do not reply to me until you have answered these questions at least in your own head, it might make you understand it better and you might even not need to reply at all. We can just agree to disagree.

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Define right people.

You don't think that a majority of people have their social media being a core part of their lifestyle?
How many people work 9-5 go home and just watch youtube as their daily activity then repeat?

I kinda anwsered this one when i posted the data. *hint *hint*

You have a forum about your local cooking scene in 2004 how do other people know about it other that you telling them? How do other people reach your forum?

They did it by being part of the same culture *wink *wink*

What big subculture(and most importantly the things they are know of) fcame from a big website that the average person in real life would have a chance of knowing of?

I cannot believe you didn't say vaporwave that was an easy layup.

Funny thing me and workmates did while avoiding work hours.

 

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We are unfortunately not in the same plane of existance.

I suspect you have a form of Schizophrenia or is in the autism spectrum

Its like that meme

Below its a list of the questions you haven't answered and just skipped though, please do not reply to me until you have answered

you got me this is bait, either that or you have Disassociative disorder.

Now its my internet Psychoanalysis time:

 

[Boxerdog]

Now its my internet Psychoanalysis time

Excuse me sir after all that I like to think myself as this one.

 

[雨、Some_porcupine、 逃げ出した後]

easy.
make tumblr/whatever crap
link pic of it on pinterest.
make google site, link your tumblr/x + pinterest there.
on pinterest, post "broken" link to yours/tumblr(/x)

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