Do you care about owning your space on the web?

[Andy Kaufman]

Now its my internet Psychoanalysis time.

This will probably be my last one because I suspect you have a form of Schizophrenia or is in the autism spectrum, no normal person would blatantly have conflicting view points all the time without a DID.
Its like that meme where the girl argued with the guy for hours about how good orange juice was but the guy was a piss fetishist and enjoyed drinking piss.
We are unfortunately not in the same plane of existance. I leave the the posts out there for people that stumble on this thread, they can make their own minds for themselves.

Resources for Schizophrenia: Treatment and Medical Support

There are many different resources for treating, diagnosing, and supporting someone with schizophrenia.

psychcentral.com

Autism Help Hotline — American Autism Association

www.myautism.org

You are under their rules and terms and your so called culture its owned and shaped by their regulations instead of organically forming, the real culture its IRL the internet its just there to facillitate it.

They can nuke you at any time and mold your culture to fit their thing.

If you want to be an e-celeb and don't care go for it.




Thats how the internet was for the longest time, all of those sites aren't isolated, they are connected culturally, though webrings, and IRL.

If you have no IRL friends and no cultural ties to anything that is a personal problem. The internet its not real.




Below its a list of the questions you haven't answered and just skipped though, please do not reply to me until you have answered these questions at least in your own head, it might make you understand it better and you might even not need to reply at all. We can just agree to disagree.

Spoiler

I kinda anwsered this one when i posted the data. *hint *hint*


They did it by being part of the same culture *wink *wink*

I cannot believe you didn't say vaporwave that was an easy layup.

Funny thing me and workmates did while avoiding work hours.


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here I was hoping we might find a compromise somewhere after I made some concessions last post and he goes out and posts something like this
I'm speechless. You won, buddy!

 

[Andy Kaufman]

easy.
make tumblr/whatever crap
link pic of it on pinterest.
make google site, link your tumblr/x + pinterest there.
on pinterest, post "broken" link to yours/tumblr(/x)

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I still don't understand what Pinterest actually is or does, just that whenever I use google image search it dominates the results and always wants me to make an account. It just looks like they rehost images from everywhere else and then bury the sources under themselves in the search results to gain like an image hosting monopoly.

 

[Boxerdog]

here I was hoping we might find a compromise somewhere after I made some concessions last post and he goes out and posts something like this
I'm speechless. You won, buddy!

What I got from it is that you want to reach big audience for x and pull from a bigger pull while sacrificing control over it and saving money(?) while I think its better to keep it in the culture even if you're not going to reach as much and give more creative freedom to whoever its part of it.

Hoo is right, its braindead to try to argue at such a base point, we can agree to disagree.

 

[Andy Kaufman]

What I got from it is that you want to reach big audience for x and pull from a bigger pull while sacrificing control over it and saving money(?) while I think its better to keep it in the culture even if you're not going to reach as much and give more creative freedom to whoever its part of it.

Hoo is right, its braindead to try to argue at such a base point, we can agree to disagree.

I really don't want anything. I have 0 aspirations in that department, I was merely playing devil's advocate on behalf of those people that don't self host for pragmatic reasons.
If we take your skydiving example: you don't NEED all the creative tools of a personal website to create an online gathering spot for people who wanna talk about skydiving. It's overkill and just not the right tool for the job. And even if you make a fancy dedicated skydiving forum instead of just using a subreddit or group on a big site, you would still congregate the skydiving community in a central place instead of every skydiver making their own website to blog about their hobby. A passionate skydiver can just make a post there now and then, sharing vids/pics and his experiences and the others can comment and discuss. Done. No algorithm and no censorship community guideline trash inhibits that in any way or form. And if an aspiring skydiver wants to look for input/help or share first time experiences and isn't very deep into alternative net culture he's just gonna find the places on the big sites first through google (i.e. reach) or the algorithm might even suggest it based on his past searches because google is gonna know anyway that he bought all the skydiving gear and accessories.

[EDIT: The funny thing is: the more a hobby is disconnected from internet/tech stuff, the more likely it is that someone knees deep into it wouldn't give a shit about self hosting anyway. These people percieve the internet in a completely different way and see it as a tool at best and so they'd just use what's easiest and cheapest. Personal anecdote: a BJJ black belt from my gym does a podcast about the sport. He just uploads it to Spotify and shares the link on his Instagram and Whatsapp groups because that's where the majoity of the BJJ community IS in my country. If I went to him and told him he'd be better off hosting the podcast on his personal website he'd laugh at my face lol. And does he get any "low quality engagement" from this? Fuck no. only people into BJJ even get recommended the hashtags in question and those usually aren't deep into alternative web shit. He reaches exactly the audience he wants with minimal effort and cost on his part and his expression isn't any less valuable because it's hosted elsewhere and the comments are from people who fight in tourneys and just practice the sport]

That's the entire point. For many applications you can just use existing infrastructure and all that creative freedom of a personal website just doesn't fucking matter for so many avenues of human expression and passions. As long as they can share vids/pics/songs and text and have all that in a roughly organized structure. I don't see how this is in any way contradictory or hard to grasp or how this warrants a shizo diagnosis.

The best thing is that it doesn't even invalidate your position as I said that this applies to SOME(!) spheres. Anyone passionate about old time internet, web dev or digital art would benefit a very great deal from self hosting. But a skydiver wouldn't. That's the point. I really don't want to add anything else, if you disagree with any of this, fine then you just don't see it that way but I just don't find my position to be that outlandish.

 

[Boxerdog]

I really don't want anything. I have 0 aspirations in that department, I was merely playing devil's advocate on behalf of those people that don't self host for pragmatic reasons.
If we take your skydiving example: you don't NEED all the creative tools of a personal website to create an online gathering spot for people who wanna talk about skydiving. It's overkill and just not the right tool for the job. And even if you make a fancy dedicated skydiving forum instead of just using a subreddit or group on a big site, you would still congregate the skydiving community in a central place instead of every skydiver making their own website to blog about their hobby. A passionate skydiver can just make a post there now and then, sharing vids/pics and his experiences and the others can comment and discuss. Done. No algorithm and no censorship community guideline trash inhibits that in any way or form. And if an aspiring skydiver wants to look for input/help or share first time experiences and isn't very deep into alternative net culture he's just gonna find the places on the big sites first through google (i.e. reach) or the algorithm might even suggest it based on his past searches because google is gonna know anyway that he bought all the skydiving gear and accessories.

This is correct that is why I said any interaction worth a damn would be IRL, there are skydiving websites where people in the culture discuss the finer points, but for meeting up or using social media you don't need a website no.
If I a non-skydiver look up skydiving websites on google I get local places to dive and the dropzone forums, the subreeddit its on the 3rd page.

I still stand that people that are into something rather have a place where its owned, operated and regulated by those who share their subculture instead of an 3rd party, despite that meaning that their subculture will have less appeal and reach in the long run. Many subcultures have lived and died on this hill way before the internet.

I think we have different view points about what belonging to a subculture means. Which its fine.

[EDIT: The funny thing is: the more a hobby is disconnected from internet/tech stuff, the more likely it is that someone knees deep into it wouldn't give a shit about self hosting anyway. These people percieve the internet in a completely different way and see it as a tool at best and so they'd just use what's easiest and cheapest. Personal anecdote: a BJJ black belt from my gym does a podcast about the sport. He just uploads it to Spotify and shares the link on his Instagram and Whatsapp groups because that's where the majoity of the BJJ community IS in my country. If I went to him and told him he'd be better off hosting the podcast on his personal website he'd laugh at my face lol. And does he get any "low quality engagement" from this? Fuck no. only people into BJJ even get recommended the hashtags in question and those usually aren't deep into alternative web shit. He reaches exactly the audience he wants with minimal effort and cost on his part and his expression isn't any less valuable because it's hosted elsewhere and the comments are from people who fight in tourneys and just practice the sport]

This is a good point, However he is bound to spotify rules instagram and whatsapp rules, He probably wont get nuked, but it its a possibilty, people have been nuked of platforms for the most randoms of things, When you host your own website you are not just doing it to be cool(although it would be cool), you are also buying freedom, spotify can't tell you to tone it down on the gracie criticism, you own your platform.

You are correct the average person doesn't care and likes the convenience, but it also wouldn't be the end of the world to do the exact same thing but link his website instead, and since you own it you can also make money from it too.

That's the entire point. For many applications you can just use existing infrastructure and all that creative freedom of a personal website just doesn't fucking matter for so many avenues of human expression and passions. As long as they can share vids/pics/songs and text and have all that in a roughly organized structure.

That its exactly what I meant when I said:

Being e-famous =/= hosting your own website

Just that I think its beneficial to have both.

I don't see how this is in any way contradictory or hard to grasp or how this warrants a shizo diagnosis.

Thats the internet diagnosis pasta if you didn't get it.
This is a cfy forum not a tat forum, too many for me to keep track.

The best thing is that it doesn't even invalidate your position as I said that this applies to SOME(!) spheres. Anyone passionate about old time internet, web dev or digital art would benefit a very great deal from self hosting. But a skydiver wouldn't. That's the point. I really don't want to add anything else, if you disagree with any of this, fine then you just don't see it that way but I just don't find my position to be that outlandish.

I don't think its outlandish, I just think a skydiver might want to host their own website for his skydiving gear rants and use social media for pics and stuff, both can coexist.

But yea I don't have any thing else to add other than hosting a decent website takes 15 mins and less than 50 dollars which will buy you total freedom from any sort of one fits all ruleset and money first corporations, which was what OP said.

If that is not appealing to you that's fine, nobody HAS to own a website, most people won't, just that its generally agreed upon that the internet(which now has a much bigger and realer effect IRL) was better when people did.

 

[雨、Some_porcupine、 逃げ出した後]

I still don't understand what Pinterest actually is or does, just that whenever I use google image search it dominates the results and always wants me to make an account. It just looks like they rehost images from everywhere else and then bury the sources under themselves in the search results to gain like an image hosting monopoly.

Hm, never knew that. Yeah, postmodern silicon valley shit (but they are on Branmer street in Chicago)

 

[雨、Some_porcupine、 逃げ出した後]

still don't understand what Pinterest actually is or does, ju

So, you save pics there and it will generate other related pics. Just wine mom/gen z shit where you can sort pics in categories.
If I want to be insane, I can say it is giant psyop for AI/net-scrape as learning platform to recognize and sort images...

 

[Vetusomaru]

Maybe don't put loli hentai up there?

Maybe you should stfu and stop defending hypocrites that will go after drawings but allow illegal shit? They start with shit like "Just don't post lolis!" to later end up like "Just don't post adult characters that are young looking!".

 

[h00]

Maybe you should stfu and stop defending hypocrites that will go after drawings but allow illegal shit? They start with shit like "Just don't post lolis!" to later end up like "Just don't post adult characters that are young looking!".

^this guy beats his dick to drawings of children

 

[Pangolin]

Maybe you should stfu and stop defending hypocrites that will go after drawings but allow illegal shit? They start with shit like "Just don't post lolis!" to later end up like "Just don't post adult characters that are young looking!".

There's young looking and then there's oh lawd click out of this right now. Loli is the later. And yeah, i get it. Drawings are not illegal, but they are no less disgusting. Why can't you be a normal garden variety degen? Are FUTA not good enough for you? Maybe stop looking at hentai in general. It'll be good for you.

^this guy beats his dick to drawings of children

:/ I don't think that's entirely accurate. Some people just look very youthful. But that line is very dangerous and I say away from it and keep to the "normal" category.