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Does a Musical Artist's bad choices effect your feelings about their music?

ChronosTheMad.mxtps

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a great example being someone like Michael Jackson. A horribly tarnished personal life, objectively. But Halloween rolls around and everyone shirks their moral outrage and moves their feet To Thriller's infectious vibe, leaning head first into the blissful ignorance. Do you hold all artists "de jure" accountable in your head or is it a matter of Aristotles, "there is no genius without a touch of madness." Please share your take.
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depends

first, I don't believe any of the MJ allegations, so I have no issues there.

but I do remember some singer of some metal band or something in the 90s arrested for actually fucking kids and like...buy a kid (or trying to) or something...so that's a no-go

outside of extreme cases, I can typically seperate the art from the artists.

For example, prior to my,,,uh...."conversion" away from atheism I used to get kind of annoyed at prince and some of his more religious songs...it was never a deal breaker, the songs were very good, I just didn't (and still don't, really) get onboard with some of his overt religious or social stances.

there are some great artists who produce amazing things, but in their personal lives they're deplorable, disgusting leftists...picasso is a legendary artist, but is way socialist. same with the beatles...some really great songs, but lennon was a communist. though upon typing this, I've never been a huge fan of either, so perhaps it has a subconscious or unintentional effect

IDK, I just don't really care about so much of the personal aspects of the artist in question.

it reeks of moral relativism (rules for thee, not for me), and there's nothing more intellectually dishonest or naive than moral relativism.
 
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1. No.
2. If you can't separate art from artist you are failing to separate the artistic side of your brain from the feeling you should be morally outraged.
3. That is not to say that information about an artist can't inform or color your opinion of their music. But "inform" should not be mistaken to mean "justify a preconceived opinion."
4. MJ was innocent. Per https://letterboxd.com/follow_freeman/film/leaving-neverland/ .
 
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ChronosTheMad.mxtps

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1. No.
2. If you can't separate art from artist you are failing to separate the artistic side of your brain from the feeling you should be morally outraged.
3. That is not to say that information about an artist can't inform or color your opinion of their music. But "inform" should not be mistaken to mean "justify a preconceived opinion."
4. MJ was innocent. Per https://letterboxd.com/follow_freeman/film/leaving-neverland/
I am of the contention that the art made by an artist is a culmination of their life experience and one can't exist without the other.
 
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yes, but not always, gg allen comes to mind. kanye makes me sad cause of the whole unchecked mental illness thing it hits too close to home, plus all that shit with politics was a turn off. actually the more i think about it i do make choices based on the artists personal life, cause i feel like im complicet in what ever they did by supporting them, its like "oh i fucked up but ppl still buy my music so i must not be to bad," then you can see how they could justuify more shitty behavoir with that line of thinking. oh, not a musician but woody allen is the best example i think.


the art made by an artist is a culmination of their life experience and one can't exist without the other.
this i feel the same way.^
 
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EtymonLegomenon

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I am of the contention that the art made by an artist is a culmination of their life experience and one can't exist without the other.
so if you don't like a "life experience" you can't like a piece of entertainment? what life experiences led to "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star"?

so art criticism boils down to guessing games about what an artist intended, whether they got the idea for some lyric from the time they were abused when they were 5 or the time they went to the carnival, etc. etc.?

if you don't mean something approximating either of these points, I don't think your statement is anything more than a tautology. "I am of the contention that whittling made by a whittler is a culmination of whittling knowledge and whittling cannot exist without people who know how to whittle."

creative pursuits always contain elements of craft, and "art" doesn't help us at all in this conversation. craft exists totally independently of a person - just like ideas exist independently (cf. Jung's belief that ideas possess the people who think them - simultaneous and spontaneous discoveries evidence this nicely). anyone who has created something can attest to the fact that ideas, concepts, techniques come to them with no previous movers or specific inspiration/s.

vaporwave is one of the most sublimely death-of-the-author art movements ever, because so much of it relies on essentially nothing but applying various craft techniques to existing works. where's the "intention" when all you are is a producer?

there are tens of thousand of other objections to this statement, but that covers the ones that are boiling to the surface at the moment.
 
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