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Experiences with the mandela effect

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IIRC this is an artists reproduction of what everyone remembers so it makes sense that they haven't perfectly followed the current logo.

I also remember the cornucopia logo, they never sold underwear in the UK but I'm almost certain I saw it on old band tees of my dad's.
Yeah it 100% is a reproduction, I believe. I find it funny that some online retailers accidentally used it in place of the "real" logo though.
 

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So a question for you all:

On the official emoji charset (like seen on Discord and Twitter), do you remember ever seeing a "robber" emoji?
nope, if it existed it was in something unofficial.
 
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Regarding the first logo, I was talking about this image. Regarding the "Waback machine begs to differ parts", I was talking about how FOTL claim to have made the current logo back in 2003 but from the archived snipet I linked, it was already in use in October 12 2000.

Regarding the blog post, they seems to have linked pictures from external websites. The screenshot you posted is some standard web error thing.

Analysis of the missing images:

https://external-preview.redd.it/uOPaK9BBzOq3JQKN8SxH7btDQFTzcemCwpumGkkGoL0.jpg?auto=webp&s=de76af7dda73070aec805bb4603c3554c3a1707c - R*ddit image, now forbiden because reasons.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/B38AAOSw-olaJHeg/s-l400.jpg - this image work, no FOTL lgo though

https://d9nvuahg4xykp.cloudfront.net/897220613268053122/1129719193666132932.jpg - broken CDN link

https://di2ponv0v5otw.cloudfront.ne...19c7c78f4171ca/s_5dfd0691afade873a4f41d33.jpg - another broken CDN link

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/~IMAAOSwn1FbL71W/s-l400.jpg - this image works but no FOTL logo

https://d1w8cc2yygc27j.cloudfront.net/195940981482937025/-2008229380676201393.jpg - another broken CDN image

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/hUwAAOSwax5YzvRO/s-l300.jpg - this image works but no FOTL logo

https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/...VINTAGE-NEON-SIGN-POSTER-LABEL-100-Cotton.jpg - dead image.


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Analysis of the overall situation:

  • A musical album featured a cornucopia prior to the arrival of the modern logo. Assuming that the "main" logo history has no hole, it would be impossible to fit a cornucopia in the 1978 design.
  • It is not impossible that a cornucopia was used on some obscure product line in the 1980s (as suggested by a trademark).
  • A man working for FOTL says that the logo used to feature a cornucopia.
  • Prior to 2016, there is no instance people noticing the missing cornucopia. In every earlier instance, people just assume it is here.
  • In the 1980s, the logo print quality was mediocre.
  • In all most all parodies, the cornucopia has the same angle, the only exception being in The Ant Bully.

What I think is going on:

If there is one thing this research proves, is that people even associated the cornucopia with the FOTL even when it could not have been possibly on the main logo. I believe it's fully possible that a cornucopia was once featured on an obscure product brand, but was quickly phased out.

Prior to 2016, there is no explicit mention of anyone noticing that something was missing (I made sure to avoid the term mandella effect in my search). People first noticed on a >redditcostanzayeahrightsmirk post where some comments noticed how they remembered a cornucopia. Then the "real" logo apperared on an imgur post and says there is a disinformation compaign going on. Let's take a look of the logo in all it's HD glory:

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While the logo "feels right" upon closer inspection, some alarm bells are ringing in my bells. As a graphic designer, I can't help to notice that the stroke on the cornucopia do NOT match the rest of the logo. Regardless of whatever there was a cornucopia or not, this logo is very suspcious.

So I think this mandella effect is caused by multiple factors:

  • There may have been a cornucopia on analogous logo for a short period of time in the 1980s on some FOTL products.
  • When people recall the logo without direct reference, their minds always add a cornucopia.
  • On some products, leaves ended up being brown and since they are often low res, this can create confusion.
  • In the 1980s, the printing of some black and white logos leave some details up to imagination and people saw a cornucopia.

I said earlier in the thread that I remembered a cornucopia but that this memory was not very strong. Anyway, this mandela effect apperas to not be new. I think the most plausible explanation for all of this is that our mind sucks. Even if it turns out that there was a cornucopia on some obscure FOTL product, most of us would have not been exposed to it when we were a kid.

TODO:

  • Dig deeper into trademarks, some appears to be unlisted. See if Justicia is the only trademark site out there.
If it was a brief run of clothing (no pun intended), it seems as though someone would have uploaded a picture of the original cornucopia logo by now considering how popular this phenomenon is, but that really would explain why people remember such a random object in the first place. I'm not saying it's impossible that people just remember this differently, but I think a cornucopia is a pretty obscure and not well known object for thousands of people to remember as the background of a logo. Based on the absolutely bizarre probability of people remembering an obscure, not commonly used object, as well as the tag line "horn of plenty", I'm more willing to be open to the possibility that the laws of space and time can get a little strange in ways we may not understand. Higher dimensions subvert our 3D understanding of space and time so why not?

I don't know if this was posted already but here is an excerpt from a book talking about the cornucopia and its horn of plenty tag line: "he pondered the little 'horn of plenty' on the label"

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/Retconned/comments/hz5ang/fruit_of_the_loom_horn_of_plenty_in_my_book/


I'm trying to find my old >redditcostanzayeahrightsmirk username with the message, maybe there is a copy in my e-mails somewhere.
 
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If it was a brief run of clothing (no pun intended), it seems as though someone would have uploaded a picture of the original cornucopia logo by now considering how popular this phenomenon is, but that really would explain why people remember such a random object in the first place. I'm not saying it's impossible that people just remember this differently, but I think a cornucopia is a pretty obscure and not well known object for thousands of people to remember as the background of a logo. Based on the absolutely bizarre probability of people remembering an obscure, not commonly used object, as well as the tag line "horn of plenty", I'm more willing to be open to the possibility that the laws of space and time can get a little strange in ways we may not understand. Higher dimensions subvert our 3D understanding of space and time so why not?

I don't know if this was posted already but here is an excerpt from a book talking about the cornucopia and its horn of plenty tag line: "he pondered the little 'horn of plenty' on the label"
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/Retconned/comments/hz5ang/fruit_of_the_loom_horn_of_plenty_in_my_book/


I'm trying to find my old >redditcostanzayeahrightsmirk username with the message, maybe there is a copy in my e-mails somewhere.
Interesting.

Another one:

So you know this warning text that is written on cars' external mirror? Could you guy try to write and remember the specific wording of the warning without looking it up?
 

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Interesting.

Another one:

So you know this warning text that is written on cars' external mirror? Could you guy try to write and remember the specific wording of the warning without looking it up?
objects in mirror may be closer than they appear (caveat: we don't have this warning text in UK)
 
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My Mandela effects tend to be related to dead people.

I thought Doris Day died in 2013 or so, but she died in 2019.
Had the same with Evdokiya Pasko, one of the Night Witches (588th night bomber regiment). Thought she died during the war for some reason, but turns out she died in 2017.
 
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nope, if it existed it was in something unofficial.

Correct, it never existed. Upon learning this information, my brain was like "wtf". I swear I once saw one, but since I use Discord daily, it's not improbable that I just saw a custom emoji.

objects in mirror may be closer than they appear (caveat: we don't have this warning text in UK)

Objects in mirror are closer than they appear

The correct text is apparently "Objects in mirror are closer than they appear" There was never a "may be closer" as many people remember.

Alright so now returning to the FOTL logo. I want to explore the "paranormal" side a bit.

So from what I understand, the main theory is as follow:

  • The cornucopia used to exist but we shifted reality and now it only exists in our memories.
  • Despite having apparently never existed in this reality, parodies of the logo still remain with the cornucopia.

Some people believe that our mind just associate the fruits with the cornucopia, but this theory as a major issue:
  • Some peope remember asking what the cornucopia was when they were a kid. If the cornucopia did not exist, then they will have never asked about an object that did not exists.
Furthermore, here's some other variables to consider:
  • Some people remembered a cornucopia before the 2016, although they did not flagged it as missing.
  • Not everyone claim to remember the cornucopia.

Using all those consideration, we can say the following:
  • If there was a reality shift, then it was likely not a singular event (i.e people shifting at different points in time).
  • The "we are misremembering" explanation cannot be 100% false. Even if we shifted reality, there would be no physical evidence of people associating FOTL with a cornucopia. The current reality only work if people did associate it with a cornucopia.

To help visualize the situation, I have made the following mindmap:
FOTL mindmap.png


As you can see, only two situation where ruled out.

If you guys have any idea to disprove or prove any situations, just let me know.
 

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