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corporateclone11

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I've come to a realization in recent days. A major aspect of Vaporwave as a genre and concept is nostalgia, especially for a past that many of us have never actually experienced. For instance, many people would cite Resonance by Home or Palm Mall Mars as music that awakens a yearning in them for memories they've never had. What makes this so interesting to me is that we now experience this culture and music so dripping with iconography of the past, that in several decades, we will look back at this vaporwave culture with nostalgia for when our minds felt nostalgia for experiences we've never had. If that isn't mind-fuckery, idk what is.
 

Eis-T

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well put! I never thought of this on a personal level, only on a cultural one. There is this thing called the 30 year cycle. the 90s for example had a lot of 60's flower power aesthetics. for older people that must have been retro but for me that was all new and my first encounter with it (to be more specific, them austin powers movies.. no I'm not proud of it either). Most of the stuff is merely new FOR US, not new as in "its never been done before". So yes, in a couple of decades we will fondly remember how we were fondly remembering that "stolen future" (alt. visiting the mall/virtual plaza/ 80's business trip)
There are plenty of people, also here on the agora road forum, who haven't lived through the era vaporwave is lamenting/celebrating. Yet they feel connected to it, even nostalgic, despite not having been there.
Mark Fisher has (had?) really interesting things to say on cultures repeating itself. His thesis is that we have become stuck in a self-referential loop of retro-mania and are experiencing a cultural slowdown. I recommend checking some of his talks on youtube (or some vids by zerobooks about the man and who more often than not use vaporwave music in their productions)
I have to believe that if Mark Fisher knew vaporwave existed he would still be with us today... It has the exact haunted qualities to be the situationist art he needed.
 

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Simon Reynolds also wrote a book called Retromania. It's about popculture repeating itself over and over again. I highly recommend it! It was published like in 2011 or 2012. He mentions hypnagogic pop, chillwave, Far Side Virtual and Daniel Lopatin. If Reynolds only knew about what happened after his book came out : D (the rise of vaporwave scene)
 

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Eis-T said:
well put! I never thought of this on a personal level, only on a cultural one. There is this thing called the 30 year cycle. the 90s for example had a lot of 60's flower power aesthetics. for older people that must have been retro but for me that was all new and my first encounter with it (to be more specific, them austin powers movies.. no I'm not proud of it either). Most of the stuff is merely new FOR US, not new as in "its never been done before". So yes, in a couple of decades we will fondly remember how we were fondly remembering that "stolen future" (alt. visiting the mall/virtual plaza/ 80's business trip)
There are plenty of people, also here on the agora road forum, who haven't lived through the era vaporwave is lamenting/celebrating. Yet they feel connected to it, even nostalgic, despite not having been there.
Mark Fisher has (had?) really interesting things to say on cultures repeating itself. His thesis is that we have become stuck in a self-referential loop of retro-mania and are experiencing a cultural slowdown. I recommend checking some of his talks on youtube (or some vids by zerobooks about the man and who more often than not use vaporwave music in their productions)
I have to believe that if Mark Fisher knew vaporwave existed he would still be with us today... It has the exact haunted qualities to be the situationist art he needed.
I find it interesting that you mentioned the cultural slowdown we're experiencing. I definitely see it happening and the funny thing is that it's all due in part because of the digital overload we're facing. I feel like now more than ever, anybody with access to the internet (which is a large majority of kids nowadays) have access to unlimited information and knowledge. with this I feel like it can be easy to get lost in so many articles, aesthetics, moodboards and such in a way that was unavailable before. In past decades, everyone just had to look around them to get informed on the culture but nowadays with the internet you could literally look at any past decade, any era in time, any aesthetic and explore it. I think that's why there isn't a profound artistic movement like there has been in the past as well, because the internet gives access to all kinds of art formats that were perhaps unknown of without regional cultural settings allowing for it. :-X
 
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