Games where You're Not "The Guy"

[Max Chill]

More games that I think fits this "I'm not THE guy" genre:

1. Kenshi, easily
2. Darkest Dungeon (the party members at least, not you who's the heir of the estate)
3. The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall (cause the Dragonbreak essentially erases whatever you did before it)

 

[McGovern '72!]

Take your medicine. Despite what /v/ told you Drakengard is actually very fun to play, in addition to being beautiful. And the characters are not psychopaths. And you are not on the same level as your enemies. You kill them by the hundred. What the fuck are you saying?

Maybe on an emulator it's better but on the PS2 Drakengard is so poorly optimized you winds up pissing and shitting itself constantly. The Ending C bossfight is borderline unplayable later on because of it. Or more likely I just suck at video games in general. Maybe both.

 

[赤い男]

Battlefield/Battlefront, BFII(2005)'s campaign is even framed as the recollections of a common soldier after the war, although you play as any number of random clones.

Those clankers got nothing on the 501st.

 

[MindControlBoxer]

Am I supposed to be impressed? It's one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen. Apehoop is a loud, hideous, obnoxious game redeemed by only in its physical incarnation by the viscerality of the game and the physical feats required to play well.

If we take away the physical aspect what are we looking at? An even more ugly and pathetic League of Legends

You've completely failed to understand me. If I wanted to deal with a complex system with many human parts I'd get a job. We can work interdependence and stakes into anything. How about 9v9 Sudoku with each player being responsible for writing the numbers into one square. Losing team gets executed after the game.

The idea of participating in a giant complex war is much more interesting to me than the idea of participating in a game of pro apehoop. The difference we might call aesthetic.

I think you completely failed to understand me. I was just trying to get you to be into the most stereotypical nigga shit ever and maybe hoping you would do some funny mental gymnastics like how you would play only aryan players players or something, its just a joke don't get too hanged up into it. Also if its all aesthetics maybe this might be more up your alley

Spoiler

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2c6VNuKHuw

Scale is one thing. Pace and intention are another. Battlefield and its like can get as big as they want, if they refuse to slow the fuck down they're functionally the same thing as Call of Duty since everyone is just sprinting and sliding around trying to burst down people who spawned within 5 seconds of them.

All of these games got insanely fast because the meta for mass player retention is to turn your war game into a rapid fire self esteem slot machine in which you fire yourself at the other side repeatedly and either kill someone or get killed every 30 seconds. This is not interesting to me. It's simple, stupid, and ugly. On one hand a war that feels cool is desired, and on the other, a game that's actually interesting and complex.

These games only got like that due to changes in business and predatory industry activities.

The Battlefront games were literally just battlefield 2 sped up and with a star wars skin(and space battles).

Yes Eve clearly has stakes and scale but really feels like it devolves into a "who can waste more time" competition. MMOs tend to do this. I don't believe that that much going on in a game is necessarily healthy. The impression is enough. I'm very impressed with how Koei games and Japanese "strategy" in general tend to sell scale without all of the absurd work of trying to build a new working world in a computer with every game. Koei games feel better for what I'm after than paradox ones.

What koei strategy games you speak about? The only one i can thing its the Nobunaga's and Romances and that is basically just number crunching and excel sheets

 

[Prufrock]

Those clankers got nothing on the 501st.

"FOR THE CHANCELLOR!"

 

[Hadrian Hardrada Cicero]

Okay I had too sorry.

 

[GENOSAD]

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Okay I had too sorry.

I'm sorry but @turntableToothache beat you to it

I wanna be The Guy.


View: https://youtu.be/jyZrQM8SMoU?si=nRVG6ZRDYePbfOI0


He's not the guy.

 

[llillilll]

Would Starsector count? You start as a random guy with a little bit of money, you do jobs just like every other independent fleet, a random pirate fleet could destroy you in a second and a leader of a faction is the highest you can go, you could be the strongest faction but never stronger than every other factor combined.

 

[GENOSAD]

Would Starsector count? You start as a random guy with a little bit of money, you do jobs just like every other independent fleet, a random pirate fleet could destroy you in a second and a leader of a faction is the highest you can go, you could be the strongest faction but never stronger than every other factor combined.

From the way you describe it, yeah, that sounds like it fits the "not The Guy" designation.

 

[mydadiscar]

I remember playing a game called "RUNNING WITH RIFLES" where you basically just play as some faceless soldier.

I guess My Summer Car also falls into this since you're basically just some nobody trying to put a car together.

 

[MindControlBoxer]

ACTUALLY MOST DATING SIMS YOU ARE NOT THE GUY (THR GOOD ONES) YOU CANT JUST HAREM THE WORLD IF YOU CHEAT ON THE GIRLS THEY COMMIT SEPUKKU

JAPANESE SUPERIORITY STRIKES AGAIN

 

[Antoine]

Maybe on an emulator it's better but on the PS2 Drakengard is so poorly optimized you winds up pissing and shitting itself constantly. The Ending C bossfight is borderline unplayable later on because of it. Or more likely I just suck at video games in general. Maybe both.

To beat those late bosses you basically have to grind. I would say this would be more acceptable on an actual PS2 because if you're physically buying games you'll want to get more time out of each one.



What a brilliant game.

I think you completely failed to understand me. I was just trying to get you to be into the most stereotypical nigga shit ever and maybe hoping you would do some funny mental gymnastics like how you would play only aryan players players or something, its just a joke don't get too hanged up into it. Also if its all aesthetics maybe this might be more up your alley

Spoiler

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2c6VNuKHuw

Yes I've noticed that you never actually care about the subject at hand and just make these stupid pokes at me.

"it's just a joke don't get too hanged up into it"

No I don't think you should be allowed to disengage from your pathetic attempts at sniping at me. I intimidate you and you deal with that by trying to make no stakes attacks in the middle of ongoing discussions. Plenty of people can tell that already. By drawing more attention to this exchange maybe even more people will.

These games only got like that due to changes in business and predatory industry activities.

Does anything in my post suggest that I am not aware of that? Did I not say exactly that?

The Battlefront games were literally just battlefield 2 sped up and with a star wars skin(and space battles).

Sped up in the sense your guy can jump really high and such, but also slowed down in important ways. Lasers fly slower than bullets.

What koei strategy games you speak about? The only one i can thing its the Nobunaga's and Romances and that is basically just number crunching and excel sheets

I find those games very impressive. They feel far more alive than any big western strategy game I've played despite the simpler systems they run on. Even simpler ones like Uncharted Waters impress me.

 

[MindControlBoxer]

No I don't think you should be allowed to disengage from your pathetic attempts at sniping at me. I intimidate you and you deal with that by trying to make no stakes attacks in the middle ofI ongoing discussions. Plenty of people can tell that already. By drawing more attention to this exchange maybe even more people will.

I think amuse is the word you look for. Its not sniping its banter, you are just a funny persona and that is a funny scenario I thought about. I think you confuse comments that are directed at you vs comments that are directed at the thread in general in which there are both in the same post. There are no stakes because the internet isn't srs business, its just a thing a tool for optimizing irl, it isn't irl, how many times do I gotta tell you that ffs.
Also this usually just turns out into derailing the topic as you get made more and more fun of by multiple people)

I made this one too but the green text doesn't pop out as I like.

Does anything in my post suggest that I am not aware of that? Did I not say exactly that?

My point wasn't that, my point is that there are games from the same era like arma who are bigger scale and never changed despite the changes in industry. And that these games were never direct competitors. Games like battlefield were sold as being distinct from cod in ways other than there is vehicles my point is that they are now more similar due to those industry practices(this is an example of a comment who is directed at the thread not you.)

Sped up in the sense your guy can jump really high and such, but also slowed down in important ways. Lasers fly slower than bullets.

No, sped up in the combat engagement sense: you can combat roll 5 times in a row, a droideka can go into a ball and travel half the map, characters have jetpacks, and insta hit shock guns, you can pretty much spam grenades back and forth in a choke point and anyone with lightsabers can clean up a room with ease.

You can clearly see the lasers in Gundam max boost but it is also clearly a faster paced game than battlefield 2 those 2 things aren't mutually exclusive.
(this is an example of a comment that is directed at you)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ipi128LQonM

I find those games very impressive. They feel far more alive than any big western strategy game I've played despite the simpler systems they run on. Even simpler ones like Uncharted Waters impress me.

You just haven't played enough then there are many "excel simulators" as we call then, they're made to simulate board games, since the 80s they are the most stereotypical neckbeard game ever, but no they usually do not have big eyes characters on them maybe that is the aesthetics you so speak off.

And in those games as I said you are more likely "the nation" rather than one specific guy.

 

[Ashman]

I love spreadsheet simulators. That's why I play EUIV MEIOU :D

 

[Antoine]

I think amuse is the word you look for. Its not sniping its banter, you are just a funny persona and that is a funny scenario I thought about. I think you confuse comments that are directed at you vs comments that are directed at the thread in general in which there are both in the same post.

This place is not a joke. You want it to be because you are a faggot and you (rightly) feel that you couldn't keep up with more than that. Only you're still wrong because you also aren't funny.

There are no stakes because the internet isn't srs business, its just a thing a tool for optimizing irl, it isn't irl, how many times do I gotta tell you that ffs.

You've said this, and there's no failure of understanding. It's just an obscenely dumb thought and I disagree with it.

Also this usually just turns out into derailing the topic as you get made more and more fun of by multiple people)

Most of you people just repeat one of three Bethesda townfolk tier lines about a subject over and over again and are content for that to be a thread. I start talking seriously about a topic, generally even along the lines this place already claims to agree with (like that schools are bad) and you all freak out and make it about me because you're all failed normalfags (especially you).

I made this one too but the green text doesn't pop out as I like.

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Why is an Atlas fan buying Call of Duty? That's also for fat "GAYmer word" (spiritual or actual).

My point wasn't that, my point is that there are games from the same era like arma who are bigger scale and never changed despite the changes in industry. And that these games were never direct competitors. Games like battlefield were sold as being distinct from cod in ways other than there is vehicles my point is that they are now more similar due to those industry practices(this is an example of a comment who is directed at the thread not you.)

You're still saying things which are retarded. Arma is barely even a game.

You don't have a point.

No, sped up in the combat engagement sense:

What?

you can combat roll 5 times in a row, a droideka can go into a ball and travel half the map, characters have jetpacks, and insta hit shock guns, you can pretty much spam grenades back and forth in a choke point and anyone with lightsabers can clean up a room with ease.

Still doesn't make sense. "sped up in the combat engagement sense". Youtube video essay brain slurry English.

You can clearly see the lasers in Gundam max boost but it is also clearly a faster paced game than battlefield 2 those 2 things aren't mutually exclusive.
(this is an example of a comment that is directed at you)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ipi128LQonM

If this is directed at me why is it so hard to tell what the fuck you're saying? Lasers are visible, and the game is fast. You present this as "but" as though you're disagreeing with something I've said. My point was that visible projectiles are faster than modern war game hitscan bullets. Comparing projectile lasers to projectile lasers isn't relevant. Yes, you can also make them faster or even hitscan. What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Again, you're just being a fucking tool and pulling random contrary thoughts out of a hat whenever I show up. You never have a point.

You just haven't played enough then there are many "excel simulators" as we call then, they're made to simulate board games, since the 80s they are the most stereotypical neckbeard game ever, but no they usually do not have big eyes characters on them maybe that is the aesthetics you so speak off.

And in those games as I said you are more likely "the nation" rather than one specific guy.

What are you saying you fucking animal? How does any one piece of this quoted section lead into any other part of it? This is like trying to communicate with someone who has been lobotomised. I don't think you can understand what I mean when I ask you why you post without having a point.

 

[MindControlBoxer]

This place is not a joke. You want it to be because you are a faggot and you (rightly) feel that you couldn't keep up with more than that. Only you're still wrong because you also aren't funny.

It's just an obscenely dumb thought and I disagree with it.

A prime example of it.

If this is directed at me why is it so hard to tell what the fuck you're saying?

Becasue of this

We don't need to discuss the fact that you don't understand what combat engagement means. Just as you dont know that Arma has a C&C Storyline campaign with rts elements, But you probably only know it through watching youtube videos so your ignorance its not only expected but also understandable. I guess nothing is a game if it doesn't have big eyed cartoons. Better luck next time.


I am a successful normalfag and don't you forget it, Fatlus its an old meme and you don't need to worry about it. Keep it in topic shall we?

 

[Antoine]

We don't need to discuss the fact that you don't understand what combat engagement means.

There is no fixed definition of what "combat engagement" means. I'm willing to read you contextually but you did a terrible job of making this clear. You say "understand" like it's a fixed idea and it's all there to be understood.

ust as you dont know that Arma has a C&C Storyline campaign with rts elements,

What's your point? It's still a technical tool first and foremost and always has been.

But you probably only know it through watching youtube videos so your ignorance its not only expected but also understandable.

I have a friend who's into Arma. I watch him play sometimes. If I had never seen the game in action before what would be your point here? Of course as always there isn't one. You aren't trying to say anything with your presence in this thread. You're desperately throwing shit at the wall hoping to make a negative impression against me stick because I'm probably the scariest person you've ever encountered in your life.

But of course you're never scared. It's all a big joke, hahaha. We're all laughing.

I guess nothing is a game if it doesn't have big eyed cartoons. Better luck next time.

Arma is more like a game-tool than a game. To me a game is an intentional and complete experience. You could say that the "campaigns" and such the arma games come with are games. But when most people talk about Arma they don't mean these. And if we are talking about them what Arma actually is and does it's somewhat relevant to the thread but not to what was being said. Yes, you were talking to the thread. You want to say something at me again as usual but have nothing, so you're going to bring up a contrarily framed factoid to the thread while replying to me. Go fuck yourself, "GAYmer word".

I am a successful normalfag and don't you forget it, Fatlus its an old meme you don't need to worry about it. Keep it in topic shall we?

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Drinking with Zhuge Liang is a far more compelling, novel, and functional experience of a larger living world than Arma's depictions of squad scale gunfights that feel like a way more awkward Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon for 10000x the work.

 

[MindControlBoxer]

You say "understand" like it's a fixed idea and it's all there to be understood.

Engagement (military) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I understand that you don't understand.

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In tetris you are not the guy, not in most puzzle games like DR mario or even games like pong or DDR where the player is the guy but there is no guy to be the player.

Are you the guy in space invaders? Or in something like this?

 

[Antoine]

I understand that you don't understand.
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In tetris you are not the guy, not in most puzzle games like DR mario or even games like pong or DDR where the player is the guy but there is no guy to be the player.

Are you the guy in space invaders? Or in something like this?

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You are wrong and a stupid faggot and just like every other time you were not making a joke.

 

[MindControlBoxer]

This got me thinking, most arcade games you are not the guy, time crisis being the exception here because there is actually an established plot. Even beat em ups all characters despite being different are interchangeable, any character can beat Cadillac and dinosaurs or Gauntlet. Are you the guy in guitar hero or are you the guitar?