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Has anyone here wondered if Jesus is a mushroom?

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The thought crossed my mind today, when I recalled a moment when I hit an all-time low and prayed to Jesus. The spark that went off inside of me, this feeling of assurance I had was so much like the experiences I've had under the influence of psilocybin. When people say Jesus appears to them, they don't recall seeing an actual person, more like an indescribable being.

Other things that crossed my mind were things like the eucharist. If you're consuming the body of Christ, it sounds a lot to me like you're taking a psychedelic substance. Also, the son of God is born to a virgin? And also I was watching Joe Rogan talking to this Mike Pollan guy about how religion is influenced on psychedelics. IDK... I'm not the best at articulating myself, but I'm definitely making some connections.
 
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That's an old connection, actually...you're certainly not the first to notice it! When the ethnobotanist R. Gordon Wasson was able to study the use of psilocybes by Oaxacan shamen, he said that the connection between how the sacraments of communion were treated and the similar reverence that was given to the mushrooms was quite evident. Now, the other interesting thing about the 1956 study that Wasson did in Oaxaca is that it was funded by the CIA as an MKULTRA black project...but instead of giving The Company some new brainscrambler cocktail, it wound up drawing a lot of attention to the psilocybes. Then a couple of years later, these two guys at Harvard (with yet more CIA money!) worked with psilocybin in a couple of experiments...one of which was the "Easter Sunday Chapel Trip" experiment, in which the religious/spiritual connections were noted yet again, but this time with geeky Haaavaaad kids.

Oh...and those two guys? You know 'em: Dr. Timothy Leary and Dr. Richard Alpert, who later changed his name to Baba Ram Dass after HIS religious awakening through LSD and psilocybin!
 

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Yes, not to go into too much detail but yeah, mushrooms can be like a mini self induced spiritual experience or epiphany generator.
 
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That's an old connection, actually...you're certainly not the first to notice it! When the ethnobotanist R. Gordon Wasson was able to study the use of psilocybes by Oaxacan shamen, he said that the connection between how the sacraments of communion were treated and the similar reverence that was given to the mushrooms was quite evident. Now, the other interesting thing about the 1956 study that Wasson did in Oaxaca is that it was funded by the CIA as an MKULTRA black project...but instead of giving The Company some new brainscrambler cocktail, it wound up drawing a lot of attention to the psilocybes. Then a couple of years later, these two guys at Harvard (with yet more CIA money!) worked with psilocybin in a couple of experiments...one of which was the "Easter Sunday Chapel Trip" experiment, in which the religious/spiritual connections were noted yet again, but this time with geeky Haaavaaad kids.

Oh...and those two guys? You know 'em: Dr. Timothy Leary and Dr. Richard Alpert, who later changed his name to Baba Ram Dass after HIS religious awakening through LSD and psilocybin!
Yea thats crazy! I often wonder if psilocybin was a driving force in the advancement of humanity and it does seem like shadowy 3 letter Alphabet groups have this knowledge. But was also looking into Graham Hancock and his research of a lost civilization in the Amazon and their use of DMT.
 
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Hancock's work, to me, just seems like rehashed Von Daniken and his cryptohistorical nonsense. BUT...the DMT use in the Amazon was already majorly documented decades previously, mainly thanks to the work of the ethnobotanist and jungle exploring BADASS, R. E. Schultes. It was Schultes, also, who was one of the first to study the use of ololiuqui in Oaxaca...which resulted in finding the _second_ natural source for Lysergic Amides (Dr. Hoffman used the already-known rye ergot fungus for his research and subsequent famous bike ride through Zurich). Check this out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Evans_Schultes We know a metric fuckton about naturally-occuring psychedelics thanks to Schultes' and Wasson's research in the decades prior to the illegalization of psychedelics in the late 1960s. And it's really fascinating how these various indigenous groups developed what turned out to be rather chemically complex plant combinations in which the various psychedelic agents are perfectly synergized...for example, the use of "yopo", which requires some ground seeds of Mimosa hostilis for the DMT source...but also, leaves from the Psychotria viridis tree, which just happen to contain the necessary MAO inhibitor needed to "unlock" the DMT once it's in the user's system. Things such as ayahuasca, yopo, etc ALL have these sorts of DMT vs MAOI potentiation, something which was clearly the work of many centuries of indigenous use.
 

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Hancock's work, to me, just seems like rehashed Von Daniken and his cryptohistorical nonsense. BUT...the DMT use in the Amazon was already majorly documented decades previously, mainly thanks to the work of the ethnobotanist and jungle exploring BADASS, R. E. Schultes. It was Schultes, also, who was one of the first to study the use of ololiuqui in Oaxaca...which resulted in finding the _second_ natural source for Lysergic Amides (Dr. Hoffman used the already-known rye ergot fungus for his research and subsequent famous bike ride through Zurich). Check this out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Evans_Schultes We know a metric fuckton about naturally-occuring psychedelics thanks to Schultes' and Wasson's research in the decades prior to the illegalization of psychedelics in the late 1960s. And it's really fascinating how these various indigenous groups developed what turned out to be rather chemically complex plant combinations in which the various psychedelic agents are perfectly synergized...for example, the use of "yopo", which requires some ground seeds of Mimosa hostilis for the DMT source...but also, leaves from the Psychotria viridis tree, which just happen to contain the necessary MAO inhibitor needed to "unlock" the DMT once it's in the user's system. Things such as ayahuasca, yopo, etc ALL have these sorts of DMT vs MAOI potentiation, something which was clearly the work of many centuries of indigenous use.
Do you think that's a coincidence that they just so happen to mix the right plants together and make the necessary effect of DMT? Well I guess you could argue that they experimented and mixed a bunch of plants together in trial and error.
 
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It's definitely no coincidence. I'm sure that it likely took quite a bit of time for the various DMT/MAOI combinations to be tried and either used or...potentially through some horrible drug interactions...avoided like the plague. Whenever you're playing with potentiating antagonistic chemicals by throwing them into your brain and letting them fight it out, you are absolutely juggling chainsaws and rabid ferrets. And MAOIs can be VERY dangerous in numerous combinations with other substances, up to and including certain foods.

But at the same time, consider that degree of risk, then temper it against the importance placed on these substances by those indigenous peoples. Clearly, they feel there's a benefit there that vastly outweighs very clear dangers.
 

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Yea thats crazy! I often wonder if psilocybin was a driving force in the advancement of humanity and it does seem like shadowy 3 letter Alphabet groups have this knowledge. But was also looking into Graham Hancock and his research of a lost civilization in the Amazon and their use of DMT.
Terence McKenna actually made this argument calling it the stoned ape theory. It could be that some major spiritual stories might have been a result of this without knowledge that it was a hallucination. One could argue that truths derived from hallucinations are in fact actually something you experience, making them no less real than any other memory, and if you are in biblical times you may Tell them like they really happened.

plenty of research does show that psilocybin has a neurogenesis effect, resulting in new neural pathways being created which would be an evolutionary advancement should a gang of apes imbibe it regularly during crucial decision periods.
 
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he's not. I don't think psychadelic mushrooms grow out there

having said that jesus, or at least the people writing his stories were on ergot or more likely acacia
 
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jesus was not a mushroom but christianity itself is an extension of existential thought brought up by psychedelics' usage

the core philosophy of all religions is derived from things people realize/discover when tripping balls

there are many avenues take to reach the kind of things religions teach. mushrooms, burning acacia, lsd, meditation, etc, so in a way jesus is a "mushroom"
 
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