Helldump category for Agora Road?

[admin]

This new category will be for a hell dump of all previously trashed and locked threads on Agora Road. This is the premise: The point is to move threads that cause continous drama that extend multiple pages and turn into a shit flinging contests. People are free to participate in these threads if they want to in the helldump.

* All rules for the forums still applies
* New Threads Cannot be created on Hell Dump
* Posts will NOT show up on the new posts list
* Notifications will be disabled on Hell Dump

I am wondering if this is even a good idea to implement? So i ask what are your thoughts?

 

[Some_porcupine]

we can more first "shit thread" there, and such related ones

and name this "windout unwind"

 

[MindControlBoxer]

This is a very good idea, rename it to Goatse Hellroom though or Preggoras belly. Surely there is a good thematic name for it.

 

[Punp]

Yes, but make it less of a hall of fame for bad posting. "Hell dump" is too cool, Goatse is too edgy. "Thread Quarantine" or something.

Biggest appeal is removing notifications. Is there a way we can tag threads without moving it to a whole new category in the same way a thread can be locked?

 

[eris]

i am pro helldump for name, just because bring back helldump (a helldump on another forum I was on got closed a few years ago)

 

[GENOSAD]

It's a good idea, but I have a few questions in terms of logistics. First of all, how will it be decided that a thread is deserving of the helldump? Will it be done through the "report" feature, or will we have to ping a mod and beg them? How will mods distinguish whether to delete or helldump a thread? Personal preference, or request of the user?

 

[Creechan12]

Helldump is a good idea, and name, but I have to wonder do we have a heavenly Council of Nicaea dump? Where all good dumps go to be looked upon and glazed by future generations to come?

 

[Ross_Я]

Biggest appeal is removing notifications.

That, and not showing up on the new posts list.
I think it's a great idea, really, because in times of a... stalling like this one, I actually kind of miss Male Insecurity thread. Because, you see, it was actually stirring a laugh every now and then. Plus, seeing absolute fucktards in action is one of the few things that really bring back some will to live into lil' ol' depressive me. Like, if those idiots waste oxygen, I sure as hell deserve some.
So a special section might be the best option out there. It will keep the trash-tier threads alive, with an opportunity to visit them until we get something better, and it will prevent them from getting too much attention.
Hopefully, at least. Worst case they will get their own, uh... flora and fauna, so to say, like 4chan's /trash/ board.

 

[Digital Cheese]

I like the idea. It would allow everyone to retard themselves to death without messing up the rest of the forum's new posts which is nice. Also, you wouldn't get 6 gorillion pings over more asexual posting.

 

[Z0diacK]

Awesome idea, and I agree with everything above. Also questioning when will a thread be "qualifying" for the helldump change

 

[Some_porcupine]

yeah, at least, to make it so that it works like "containment (chat)", but for newbies (this idea is not new) to shit-up (that this-thread), for us to tease them or to have pandemonium of them...

 

[Waninem]

Dunno if I've been here long enough to have a valid take on this but.... On one hand, might be good for letting people vent some steam and cut loose, but on the other hand it may attract edgy newbies who would mess the threads up further. Maybe have a minimum post or account age requirement in addition to the restrictions mentioned above?

The Male Insecurity thread better be put in a frame and hung on the wall though, or I'm gonna riot. That was truly the best of the worst.

 

[LiraTirsoCaduceo]

What threads would qualify?
Because I think what came to some minds here was the Male Insecurity thread, which I'm not sure it qualifies for what's being proposed in the OP. I don't think anyone took it seriously, it was just a clown doing a skit and people playing along. Doesn't seem like "continous drama that extend multiple pages and turn into a shit flinging contests", that label would've fit Pickleman's shitposts better than Nsequeira's. I don't think Pickleman tier posting is worth keeping even in a special section.

 

[splashy]

please do this, life on agora will never be the same without the male insecurity thread... my only concern is that people may intentionally try to shit up the forum (possibly on alts) so they can get their posts in the /trash/can.

 

[LiraTirsoCaduceo]

my only concern is that people may intentionally try to shit up the forum (possibly on alts) so they can get their posts in the /trash/can.

This sounds like a real possibility too, don't want to turn it into a hall of infamy people would try to speedrun to.

 

[№56]

Regarding what would qualify sending a thread to hell, I was thinking that it would only be something the mods could do as a result of a report (as opposed to janitorial fiat) and that it wouldn't even be an option until the thread had reached 10-15 pages of shitposting. Ideally there wouldn't be many new threads added to the category, and it honestly might not even be that necessary in the long run.

 

[赤い男]

This new category will be for a hell dump of all previously trashed and locked threads on Agora Road. This is the premise: The point is to move threads that cause continous drama that extend multiple pages and turn into a shit flinging contests. People are free to participate in these threads if they want to in the helldump.

* All rules for the forums still applies
* New Threads Cannot be created on Hell Dump
* Posts will NOT show up on the new posts list
* Notifications will be disabled on Hell Dump

I am wondering if this is even a good idea to implement? So i ask what are your thoughts?

I guess we have a new popular section in our hands. If we make it cool enough that could bring some extra attention to the road.

 

[GENOSAD]

Regarding what would qualify sending a thread to hell, I was thinking that it would only be something the mods could do as a result of a report (as opposed to janitorial fiat) and that it wouldn't even be an option until the thread had reached 10-15 pages of shitposting. Ideally there wouldn't be many new threads added to the category, and it honestly might not even be that necessary in the long run.

A reasonable qualification, but 10-15 pages are quite a few when general derailments tend to start 4-5 pages in.

 

[RisingThumb]

My biggest concern would be that this gets used to "shadow ban" or "shadow remove" threads from being seen. I'm interested to hear how you define what becomes a helldump thread, but No56 already brought that up.

* Notifications will be disabled on Hell Dump

If someone is watching a thread, they'd expect to be notified as that's the consistent behaviour everywhere else. The same thing for being quoted or being mentioned. I will always be against anything that causes surprising behaviour, and I don't think this justifies it, and could easily be taken out of context as "malicious design to shadowban threads".

* Posts will NOT show up on the new posts list

To me this is the most notable change, but rather than having moderators say what shouldn't be shown in whats new to everyone, I think it'd be much more empowering for users to be able to "unwatch"(yes I know watch/unwatch are already used terms) or "never see this thread in whats new" threads they select. It could be a button next the watch thread and bookmark thread buttons, and the wording could probably be changed for something more appropriate. There's already functionality to bookmark threads to come back to later, and functionality to watch threads for notifications. For me personally, I'd find this useful as some threads(like this Male Insecurity thread) are things I do not want to waste my time on. This would also be useful for threads I have no interest in.

If I've just described a feature that already exists, then that feature is not really visible to the average user, as I have no idea it exists, which then just means it's a case of exposing it better.

This idea is comparable to how you can filter the catalogue in 4chan's catalogue view.

Anyways some other considerations for this:

• Would this apply retroactively to previous locked threads?
• Would previous locked threads be moved to this category?
• Being an entire forum category where new threads can't be posted, couldn't this possibly become a "badge of dishonour" to make a thread that goes there? Would this then encourage some users to try and make threads that are spiky and inflammatory on purpose to get them there? This issue occurs on 4chan to some degree where people make spiky and argumentative threads to keep them bumped all the time.
• Is it actually worth the time and energy keeping threads that become flamewars open rather than locking them up? They are public and permanent records of discussion that the moderators will still have to go through, and check they're adhering to the rules. I'm wondering how much time would be spent policing flamewars that would be a better shortened just locking and not entertaining a colossal waste of time.

 

[eris]

If someone is watching a thread, they'd expect to be notified as that's the consistent behaviour everywhere else. The same thing for being quoted or being mentioned. I will always be against anything that causes surprising behaviour, and I don't think this justifies it, and could easily be taken out of context as "malicious design to shadowban threads".

Coming back briefly to comment on this as I was around when the idea was first being bandied about. The problem with notifications is that they are both:
a) enabled by default
b) strongly tend towards prolonging drama rather than letting people naturally get bored and drift away from a thread

It is not an active choice to watch a thread, it's only an active choice to unwatch a thread or modify your settings so threads you post in are not default watched, so the default behavior is always to ping everyone who has posted somewhat recently in a dumpsterfire thread to pile back in. This is how you get 21 pages of people making the same posts in a circle and the bullshit spilling out of the thread to everywhere else because slowly everyone on the forum has been sucked into getting pings about it, unless they turned them off.

• Being an entire forum category where new threads can't be posted, couldn't this possibly become a "badge of dishonour" to make a thread that goes there? Would this then encourage some users to try and make threads that are spiky and inflammatory on purpose to get them there? This issue occurs on 4chan to some degree where people make spiky and argumentative threads to keep them bumped all the time.

Given that this category would also vastly reduce the visibility of a given thread I don't see why anyone would want to get their thread in it.