Hopeless Apathy: the civilisation killer

[SparkyWilson]

There's was a MIT study from the 1970's that predicted a economic/populations decline by the 2050's and by 2100 the worlds population and industrial output would be similar to the 1900rds, which is not really that bad, when you factor in we will likely have more advanced technology so standard of living will still be a lot higher then it was back in 1900rd. The idea of infinite economic and population growth is insane.

Some Canadians on >reddit were talking about a goverment report that kinda outlines whats likely going to happen, and it seems to be the establishment is more afraid of it happening. Report here: https://horizons.service.canada.ca/en/2025/01/10/future-lives-social-mobility/index.shtml

and it seems the goverment is more afraid of it happening;

Trade unions, including non-traditional freelancer unions, could grow in power as workers become frustrated. Job actions and strikes may disrupt economic development. This could reduce foreign direct investments in labour-intensive sectors such as manufacturing

Oh Noes, Strong Unions!1!1!.

Canada may become a less attractive destination for migrants if it is seen as a country where upward mobility is uncommon

More people in Canada, including recent immigrants, may emigrate to jurisdictions where they perceive upward social mobility and/or higher standards of living are easier to attain – even if they are not

So all the migrants are going to leave and decrease housing costs... so horrible.

Housing, food, childcare, and healthcare co-operatives may become more common. This could ease burdens on social services but also challenge market-based businesses

Forms of person-to-person exchange of goods and services could become even more popular, reducing tax revenues and consumer safety

People may start to hunt, fish, and forage on public lands and waterways without reference to regulations. Small-scale agriculture could increase

Governments may come to seem irrelevant if they cannot enforce basic regulations or if people increasingly rely on grass-roots solutions to meeting basic needs

OH NOES gods forbid people become more interdependent from the goverment and look after one another... I'm surprised that did not mention people might start living in generational homes where the grandparents watch the children while the parents work(as opposed to day care, that causes mental health problems in kids), and the family looks after the elderly( as opposed to dumping them in an old age home). And I know some people who have started to do this and some that are planning on doing this. interesting thing I noticed they are following a native American tradition of the man going to the women's family home, despite being European.

You can sit there are call me a doomer all you want, when I'm actually pretty hopeful for the future. I've taken it on my self to try get people of English decent interested in their heritage because i'm sick of the "EnGLiSH DoN't HaVe A cUltUre" bullshit I hear.

 

[Punp]

There's was a MIT study from the 1970's that predicted a economic/populations decline by the 2050's and by 2100 the worlds population and industrial output would be similar to the 1900rds, which is not really that bad, when you factor in we will likely have more advanced technology so standard of living will still be a lot higher then it was back in 1900rd. The idea of infinite economic and population growth is insane.

Some Canadians on >reddit were talking about a goverment report that kinda outlines whats likely going to happen, and it seems to be the establishment is more afraid of it happening. Report here: https://horizons.service.canada.ca/en/2025/01/10/future-lives-social-mobility/index.shtml

and it seems the goverment is more afraid of it happening;


Oh Noes, Strong Unions!1!1!.

So all the migrants are going to leave and decrease housing costs... so horrible.






OH NOES gods forbid people become more interdependent from the goverment and look after one another... I'm surprised that did not mention people might start living in generational homes where the grandparents watch the children while the parents work(as opposed to day care, that causes mental health problems in kids), and the family looks after the elderly( as opposed to dumping them in an old age home). And I know some people who have started to do this and some that are planning on doing this. interesting thing I noticed they are following a native American tradition of the man going to the women's family home, despite being European.

You can sit there are call me a doomer all you want, when I'm actually pretty hopeful for the future. I've taken it on my self to try get people of English decent interested in their heritage because i'm sick of the "EnGLiSH DoN't HaVe A cUltUre" bullshit I hear.

While this is really interesting to read in terms of anti-doomer material, it isn't really on topic, and you haven't been on topic since joining the thread. Don't delete what you've written (it's interesting), but perhaps direct this back to the topic of hopelessness as a psychological warfare operation, documented evidence of it, and countering the psyop of hopelessness (without also spreading the hopelessness doctrine of collapse)

 

[Some_porcupine]

found (rel) thread i was looking for
maybe it can help
or show we do these talks aoll the time

Is the west creating wartime ready populations again by wearing them down financially and spiritually?

It feels pointless to point out that media has slowed to a standstill, and that corruption and wealth concentration are at all time highs, while avenues of public discourse have slowed to essentially pre 19th century levels of control. The better observation is why. I think covid psychologically...

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[Vitnira]

I don't have anything to contribute that I would want to read but I wanted to say that I appreciate the thread and the on-topic responses, and even Sparky's off-topic recent response.
This thread is a synecdoche of Agora. Fascinating good links, low-effort current events posting, perspectives outside my normal frame. This thread is representative of what I come to Agora for AND what I hate about it.

(I am also half hoping by bumping this to Recent Posts I get more stuff in here. )

For people catching up on the thread who don't want to pore over 4 pages, I think the following posts in here are the highlights to me (either links or neat perspectives):

Hopeless Apathy: the civilisation killer

We've all met that one guy. Everything sucks and isn't good enough. They won't do anything to fix it; and by golly if you suggest something they'll shoot it down - but they want you to know that everything is hopeless and the world is collapsing and you are fools to not recognise this. It is...

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Hopeless Apathy: the civilisation killer

I did like an hour of online research, and I couldn't find anything about the CIA using doomer memes or anything. I'm sure they make fake social media posts all the time, but I'm not sure if they intentionally weaponize apathy. If anyone else has a link, that'd be awesome, but until then, I...

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Hopeless Apathy: the civilisation killer

Every generation is relebelious when they are young and not in contorl. Many are rebellious when they are simply not in contorl. only if that had to carry on... but no, we have to fight with ouzrselves, others, expectations... also fear, that it is all for nothing and will end up same (said...

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Hopeless Apathy: the civilisation killer

Every generation is relebelious when they are young and not in contorl. Many are rebellious when they are simply not in contorl. only if that had to carry on... but no, we have to fight with ouzrselves, others, expectations... also fear, that it is all for nothing and will end up same (said...

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Hopeless Apathy: the civilisation killer

Every generation is relebelious when they are young and not in contorl. Many are rebellious when they are simply not in contorl. only if that had to carry on... but no, we have to fight with ouzrselves, others, expectations... also fear, that it is all for nothing and will end up same (said...

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[dorgon]

or that we're demoralizing each other enough already.

Unironically I believe this. I think social media has such profound consequences on how people perceive reality that the CIA probably doesn't even need to do that much to pacify Americans*. Social media has been the breeding ground for hedonism, envy, and apathy since the "normies" first started using it large scale, with the addition of the news media generating money simply from clicks rather than actually good journaling (i.e. clickbait). While it's easy to hypothesize that a 3 letter agency is behind this advent one way or another (I believe so too), what I know for CERTAIN is that it's impossible for them to pull ALL of the strings. Like for example there's so many video essays on YouTube made by individuals on why X sucks now or why Y is dying, but you can't do anything about it, or how Z got ruined because (insert insufferable group of people here) started to latch onto it and now you don't wanna identify with Z anymore. I know "Kurzgesagt – In a Nutshell" is funded by Bill Gates (for example), but there's many YouTube channels out there that post demoralizing content on their own. Even in political situations people are apathetic, in the USA at least many people vote for the "lesser evil" candidate, because millions of Americans are stuck in a 2-party mindset where they either have to vote for a lukewarm candidate, or else the other side will win (e.g. the USA 2020 elections). The CIA only did light work there. All of that happened due to a culture war that sparked from some retarded gaming journalism drama from 2014 (if that even is the start of it), exploited by the MSM and spread further by social media, by people sharing and reposting such things.

I think the most important thing we need to teach upcoming generations is that the internet doesn't have to be too real. It doesn't have to be serious, it doesn't have to be your life. Unfortunately parents are already raising their kids on iPads and shit, but even as a gen Z I remember being like 12 years old and being reminded that a lot of what happens on the internet is just bullshit and fucking around. A lot of the fear and resentment that people have for each other stems from taking certain posts seriously and not realizing that whoever posted it is a retard who chugs soylent green more than water and salutes mickey mouse. I guessed a shift happened in the early-mid 2010s when people saw the Internet as less of a simple way of communicating/a creative outlook and more of an extension of your actual life. It coincides with smart phones becoming widely used.

P.S. There's also something on YouTube I check in from time to time, Channel 5 starring Andrew Callaghan, in spite of whatever opinions you guys have of him I do admire his positive news segments, and I try to pay more attention to those.

* = given that major social media platforms like FaceBook have cooperated with the NSA's PRISM program, I am in no way saying that the CIA didn't have a hand in creating the social mediums themselves and making psyop posts. What I am saying is that there's plenty of people who doompost and spread apathy thru by themselves.

First of all, if you believe nothing ever will become better and your life is ultimately pointless, your best option is to kill yourself. Forsooth, why incur upon oneself a life of suffering that would end in a death either way, and at that, a death only coming after the extra suffering of disease and aging? Your quickest options is a shot; jumping out of a 10- or more-storey building is a close second; hanging yourself is slightly riskier, but good enough if you can ensure no one will find the fruits of your possibly botched self-execution in a couple hours. What prevents you from killing yourself? Fear of pain or whatever? That is unbased, as you will inevitably feel more pain with disease and aging and the 'natural' death. Drug yourself before going through with it, if that is of any help. Now go kill yourself. Literally, stop reading this and kill yourself right now. There is no reason to do otherwise.

Don't confuse cause and symptom. What if everything does suck and there's absolutely nothing that can be done except going the virtuous hermit way? Because I assure you that's the case for anyone living in the "first world" and that you'd have to be decently bluepilled to not see or at least smell Rome burning.

It it was only a simple decadence like any other, that would be okay, but I fear this is more than that, this time.

Anyway, it's easy to shrug it off when you get to have a normalfag life, but I'll tell you this as a wizard who doesn't fit in this circus: don't even try to imagine yourself knowing what it's like in my/our boots. What's true is that wallowing in despair is pointless and for the weak, you gotta grab the depression by the balls and squeeze hard.

Why do newfags have such bad opinions? LURK MOAR!

 

[Some_porcupine]

tl;dr post above: never forget: TINC ruined it all, we could have paradise, but since it turned into marketplace (ads), (fabled.day made some articles/notes on it, and maybe some people did other such too)... now in TINC2, 3 or 4...