How does one convert the normie?

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I can't say I have ever been fully successful in this regard. I think most people know social media is bad on some level but simply don't have the willpower to take action. In fact I've noticed one of the major negative effects of this is that a lot of young people today want to make a living off of the internet. Something I would not recommend for anyone. Instead I believe in working on the small scale. Simply find as many people as possible in the real world to connect with. Make a deal out of not using social media. Once enough of these people are assembled start moving into certain areas and create a sort of separate society.
 

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Quite frankly mate, this question is about on a par with "how can I get my little brother to never try coffee in any capacity, ever?".

You'll have trouble getting people who aren't extremely personally opposed to this kind of drivel to put it down, because it's an actual drug, that's societally condoned. It's the exact same reason that I still drink coffee even though it mostly just makes me jittery - there are other ways to wake up in the morning, sure, but none of them are quite as easy as coffee.
Agreed. It is the dopamine habit that's in play here. It's like with any addiction. Denial ("It's totally normal to stop and film your friend if his hair is on fire before calling 911 - doesn't everyone do this?", "I don't need TikTok. I can put it down any time I want to."). Optimism bias ("Never had my identity stolen before ergo it will never happen.") And herd instinct, as others have pointed out. Dopamine is key, though. Doesn't matter if 80% of their "likes" come from 'bots. It makes them feel good.
 
The implied fact is that the normie would be better off knowing about the real internet, but the inverse is true. They are better off in their walled garden. Also, they'd probably go back to being in the mall, or some other nonsense.
 
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In the old days, it felt like the internet had better means to engender radical changes or Manchurian awakenings in its users. Reading the internet then, there was a constant threatening presence just out of view which promised to expose to you a world you knew must be real but still refused to believe in. A website like Rotten.com, for instance, could leave an unforgettable mark on not only its readers, but those irradiated by its indirect influence. Like taking a wrong turn walking home as a child, the terror or the threat of terror not only helped you to better understand not just what you ought to be doing, but the context for why that is to begin with. I did not want to look at shock sites as a kid, but I knew that they existed, and this made me cynical and suspicious of everything else around me. I don't know if pure cynicism is healthy, but I must believe that it is the first step to any healthy relationship with media at large.

As others have said, today's internet is a walled garden, but the inside of the garden is much worse than the outside. "Trustworthy" websites like Facebook, Twitter, Google, etc, in all likelihood host far more child pornography, murder, torture, and rape than any underground network in history, and far more openly to boot. To the users of these websites, however, this is utterly inconsequential. The website provides a service which they enjoy, and any unsightly or prurient or wrong content must simply be there by accident rather than by design. Besides, they aren't the ones looking at that sort of thing, so what do they have to fear? Of course, this ignores the surface level problems of these websites--the open usury, the dehumanization, the commodification of disgust--which lay every brick and charter every law. These too must be some accident, or else a necessary and unavoidable reality to partake in such lovely services. Surely. So they trot along in lazy circles, chasing nothing while running to nowhere, content as ever that they have such a beautiful garden to enjoy while the canker poisons the roses and pisses in their bedclothes.

The best model for the world, I think, is the carnival. Everything in the carnival is designed, ultimately, to rob you. The games are rigged, the rides are dangerous, and the panthers only ever run circuits in their cages. Most people do not care about this, because the carnival is fun, even if only (literally and figuratively) at their expense. They give their money voluntarily so they can experience the pleasure of being used.
 

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You have to wonder how gen alpha is going to be when they grow up. They were born into a world that's dominated by corporate social media. You have to wonder, will they reject it as a relic of the past, or just become a generation of normies knowing nothing else about the internet. God I hope it's the first.
 
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You have to wonder how gen alpha is going to be when they grow up. They were born into a world that's dominated by corporate social media. You have to wonder, will they reject it as a relic of the past, or just become a generation of normies knowing nothing else about the internet. God I hope it's the first.
There was an idea floated that gen Z would be more right leaning in response to millenials' progressivism. Instead, they were even farther left. Extrapolation based on that doesn't look good.
 
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There was an idea floated that gen Z would be more right leaning in response to millenials' progressivism. Instead, they were even farther left. Extrapolation based on that doesn't look good.
Fair point, but we can always hope. Nothing lasts forever. Eventually even social media will fall from popularity, we can only hope it happens sooner than later.
 
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I haven't read a single reply in this thread, but I'm gonna drop the hard truth I've finally learned after decades of trying:

You can't convert normies. It's like the scene in They Live where the guy starts a fist fight to avoid wearing the glasses that show him the truth.

You cannot convert them. They are NPCs. They will be trapped in an infinite cycle of death and rebirth for the remainder of their soul's existence. Old Testament God was right. Focus on communities like this that see through it. We should be working to build a better world for ourselves and shun normies like they've shunned us for being aware of how awful it has gotten.
 
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It just seems to me that when it comes to these digital things, most people refuse to have their minds changed by anyone but themselves.
i mean, no just "these digital things", - it is like that with everything.
You cant force somebody to change if they got no need, will, cant accept it.
You know, i read a book about those kinds of things. - You can know what is good for you, but lest you accept it, there is no way to change. You must challenge ys first to try, accept, come with terms with "new" *reality*.
 
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I haven't read a single reply in this thread, but I'm gonna drop the hard truth I've finally learned after decades of trying:

You can't convert normies. It's like the scene in They Live where the guy starts a fist fight to avoid wearing the glasses that show him the truth.

You cannot convert them. They are NPCs. They will be trapped in an infinite cycle of death and rebirth for the remainder of their soul's existence. Old Testament God was right. Focus on communities like this that see through it. We should be working to build a better world for ourselves and shun normies like they've shunned us for being aware of how awful it has gotten.
why revenge? dont you want to be, rather, to be "welcoming ceremony" for them?
why to hate when you can show compassion? sure, they made wrong assumptions, but now - when they are in your/*our* shoes, - you can help, instead of being prick and be "smart /s".
they now can see, they survived, went thru same shit as people as you did in their (normies) care/"regiment"/administrative!
why to repeat, /pay back" circle of hurt? isnt this the reason why world is shit - because of (sometimes pitty) revenges???!

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There was an idea floated that gen Z would be more right leaning in response to millenials' progressivism. Instead, they were even farther left. Extrapolation based on that doesn't look good.
my premise is, it goes in circles.
ykr how now some European states goes into right-wing politics? so, lets see.
it might depend on if children are being "cared for" by parents, or soc. media. Forming age is 0 - cca 7~10, so others, classmates, inside + outside influences;, parents' attitude and so on also play role. Also, then, there is this thing called curiosity. If it is "killed" early on, it is Amen (end) with poking into computers, getting hands dirty, using brain etc. - if you get me.
 
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why revenge? dont you want to be, rather, to be "welcoming ceremony" for them?
why to hate when you can show compassion? sure, they made wrong assumptions, but now - when they are in your/*our* shoes, - you can help, instead of being prick and be "smart /s".
they now can see, they survived, went thru same shit as people as you did in their (normies) care/"regiment"/administrative!
why to repeat, /pay back" circle of hurt? isnt this the reason why world is shit - because of (sometimes pitty) revenges???!

My Chemical Romance – Teenagers (2007, CD) - Discogs300 × 266
They wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. I played the hyper-empathy game up until about a month or two ago, where I finally just got broken down by the crippling indifference normal people have towards those who don't fit in. They're not worth the effort. Fuck 'em.
 
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They wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. I played the hyper-empathy game up until about a month or two ago, where I finally just got broken down by the crippling indifference normal people have towards those who don't fit in. They're not worth the effort. Fuck 'em.
well, they "care" that they dont (care). why would you then?
maybe even the problem is that they could help you, but sometimes you/people want to be "so" special that they dont want to be helped.
(being mean, untouchable, cold, cynical, not seeing human(s) for edgers (normies opposite) -
<when you act, often unbeknownst, in certain way, you give of signals to others - attracting bad people because you lack self-esteem, - for example>)
catch like that. when you (plural, thinking generally now) give of vibes of insufferable b***, that can let them normies know.
no one except sadists and real iam14andthisisdeep kids dont want to be hurted like that. it is all scam, facade, scham - iykwim.
 
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well, they "care" that they dont (care). why would you then?
maybe even the problem is that they could help you, but sometimes you/people want to be "so" special that they dont want to be helped.
(being mean, untouchable, cold, cynical, not seeing human(s) for edgers (normies opposite) -
<when you act, often unbeknownst, in certain way, you give of signals to others - attracting bad people because you lack self-esteem, - for example>)
catch like that. when you (plural, thinking generally now) give of vibes of insufferable b***, that can let them normies know.
no one except sadists and real iam14andthisisdeep kids dont want to be hurted like that. it is all scam, facade, scham - iykwim.
i have helped homeless people, children, etc. on a regular basis for no reason other than wanting them to have a better time, even when i had very little to offer and i still did it. my empathy is still there, but it's been shattered by humanity's inability to care about -itself-. every time i walk outside and i see garbage strewn about in the grass, I look at that and go "you don't respect your home, why should your home respect you?"

i care about people far more than they care about themselves, and i'm trying to stop. because it's draining me and making me suffer.
 
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i care about people far more than they care about themselves, and i'm trying to stop. because it's draining me and making me suffer.
Let the doomed die. If they won't accept your help then so be it. Maybe they'll learn their lesson, maybe they won't either way you tried and that's what matters.
 
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Let the doomed die. If they won't accept your help then so be it. Maybe they'll learn their lesson, maybe they won't either way you tried and that's what matters.
Exactly. I only recently gave up on it. I'm looking at my shattered life like "my life is in disarray bc I was obsessed with the concept of right and wrong, when nobody else was." So now I'm purely looking at trying to make a better life for myself and those I care about. My empathy for humanity was shattered by humanity itself due to a large quantity of incidents that all added up to my breaking point, basically.
 
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i have helped homeless people, children, etc. on a regular basis for no reason other than wanting them to have a better time, even when i had very little to offer and i still did it. my empathy is still there, but it's been shattered by humanity's inability to care about -itself-. every time i walk outside and i see garbage strewn about in the grass, I look at that and go "you don't respect your home, why should your home respect you?"

i care about people far more than they care about themselves, and i'm trying to stop. because it's draining me and making me suffer.
same. read some article header from 80s(?) how we wont survive to 2020-30s.
i volunteered only for work, because i am so over with this - how society still functions til today, how...
got the disgust. also, i was hyped for 2012 when it was 2007-2009 (still kid so no crisis for me, when i havent knew about it) - how people will go bongers and havoc and everything... nothingburger
 
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Exactly. I only recently gave up on it. I'm looking at my shattered life like "my life is in disarray bc I was obsessed with the concept of right and wrong, when nobody else was." So now I'm purely looking at trying to make a better life for myself and those I care about. My empathy for humanity was shattered by humanity itself due to a large quantity of incidents that all added up to my breaking point, basically.
no indifferent to this.
why would i care more when there are all those models, but no solution.
we are so over, so behind...
 
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no indifferent to this.
why would i care more when there are all those models, but no solution.
we are so over, so behind...
btw, found this: https://www.un.org/en/chronicle/article/what-point-does-one-lose-ones-humanity
 
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