How long until the collapse?

[Outer Heaven]

In case this somehow survives another 100 years, its Price is Right rules. Closest guess without going over.

Personally I think 2022 is the beginning of the end so I'd give it another 20 years or so.

 

[PatriotSmash]

This year

 

[赤い男]

WW fucking III now, let's fucking goooooo!

 

[Deleted member 1930]

Until?

 

[mydadiscar]

I was hoping it would happen with Brexit. All the tension felt like a powder keg. At least I have stocked up on Freddo's now, how would bottlecaps be useful in an apocalypse to the point that they become currency?
The resistance towards the vaccines and lockdowns, Ukraine, Afghanistan, things are looking promising again.

 

[Moon-Watcher777]

Idk about 20 years my guy. Doomsday clock sitting at 100 seconds. Financial markets about to shit the bed big time. Russia about to move into Ukraine. Covid and human rights fuckery. Collapsing supply chain. European countries weeks away from running out of essential fuels. Shit is looking hella bleak rn. My guess is spring.

 

[Jade]

I vote 2050

 

[Deleted member 3578]

twist: time will just start going backwards

 

[Deleted member 3578]

the apocheir moment

 

[s0ren]

I don't think we'll ever see the full-on collapse of society unless there's some major solar flare event where the resulting geomagnetic storm fucks with all our electronics. The massive states we've built cannot exist without this tech backing it up. I think we're headed more towards something like Dark Ages Lite. Just as the collapse of the Western Roman Empire left Europe vulnerable to economic, social, and cultural decline, we'll be having a rough time as the American Empire falls apart. This will be global on some level as, unlike the Romans, the Americans really do have their hands in all of the cookie jars of the world, but states which are less reliant on the Empire will fare better. Among those that are firmly part of the Empire, areas with stronger national unity and community will be the best off. These don't necessarily need to be nation-states, just areas where people will band together and continue some version of civil society based on these bonds while fending off the desperate from the outside. The US itself is pretty much fucked though, maybe pockets where there is actually community will be fine. I think both you and I are Canadians @Outer Heaven, we're completely fucked because there is very little unity here. Vancouver will be a Chinese colony, Quebec will socialism itself to the ground, Toronto will probably end up as part of whatever New York does.

The decline probably peaks in the next 70 years, 120 at most. It took almost 300 years for the collapse of the Western Empire to reach its lowest. We'll probably crash harder and faster than they did (the bigger they are and all that) but I don't think it will be as spectacularly fast as people here think.

 

[ignika98]

I don't think we're heading towards any sort of collapse. If anything I see a lot of things slowly getting better than they used to be.

Things like people quitting their jobs, causing unrest due to covid measures, and mass outings of elites being pedos might make things seem like the beginning of the end. But to me I see it as the beginning of the end of all the bullshit people have been putting up with for the past decade or two. This unrest is the result of people demanding a better world and the way things are looking, we're winning. Slowly but surely.

I feel like the worst has passed or is at the very least passing, and it's all uphill from here.

 

[nagolbud]

Idk about 20 years my guy. Doomsday clock sitting at 100 seconds. Financial markets about to shit the bed big time. Russia about to move into Ukraine. Covid and human rights fuckery. Collapsing supply chain. European countries weeks away from running out of essential fuels. Shit is looking hella bleak rn. My guess is spring.

I agree. It's coming.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnTAatm8QWs

 

[nagolbud]

I don't think we're heading towards any sort of collapse. If anything I see a lot of things slowly getting better than they used to be.

Things like people quitting their jobs, causing unrest due to covid measures, and mass outings of elites being pedos might make things seem like the beginning of the end. But to me I see it as the beginning of the end of all the bullshit people have been putting up with for the past decade or two. This unrest is the result of people demanding a better world and the way things are looking, we're winning. Slowly but surely.

I feel like the worst has passed or is at the very least passing, and it's all uphill from here.

Those are all psyops to make you think everything is okay / getting better. It's all planed propaganda.... all according to plan.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSLBPEbGNjE

 

[Outer Heaven]

The decline probably peaks in the next 70 years, 120 at most. It took almost 300 years for the collapse of the Western Empire to reach its lowest. We'll probably crash harder and faster than they did (the bigger they are and all that) but I don't think it will be as spectacularly fast as people here think.

I only disagree with this because of how the way we live life changed so dramatically. If the internet or electricity or water systems or sanitation collapses tomorrow in most western cities, the population would dissolve into chaos. When Rome collapsed, they still more or less lived the way they did just with worse conditions, they didn't have to relearn how to live naturally. The only people Id give a chance are farmers and even then most of them heavily rely on tech nowadays.

Among those that are firmly part of the Empire, areas with stronger national unity and community will be the best off. These don't necessarily need to be nation-states, just areas where people will band together and continue some version of civil society based on these bonds while fending off the desperate from the outside. The US itself is pretty much fucked though, maybe pockets where there is actually community will be fine. I think both you and I are Canadians @Outer Heaven, we're completely fucked because there is very little unity here. Vancouver will be a Chinese colony, Quebec will socialism itself to the ground, Toronto will probably end up as part of whatever New York does.

I feel Toronto and NY will just collapse instantly since theyre urbanite hellholes. In my experience in both cities, outside of the pockets of religious or ethnic communities, people are so atomized they wouldn't survive a week.

Take my opinion on Canada with massive grain of salt though because I'm an international student that keeps to himself for the most part because I live in a big city and I hate the antichrist. From my interactions with older folk a lot of them still have community values, they go to church and have social groups theyre a part of. The younger people are, the more likely their life is just drugs, netflix and partying (even this is a stretch for a lot of people since they rarely interact with anyone). Few have aspirations let alone a real reason to go on living beyond material pleasures. If you look into any groups or societies in the city its incredibly hard to find someone under 30 be a part of them.

I don't think we're heading towards any sort of collapse. If anything I see a lot of things slowly getting better than they used to be.

If that's the perception you got after the last 2 years i don't know what to tell you

 

[nagolbud]

I only disagree with this because of how the way we live life changed so dramatically. If the internet or electricity or water systems or sanitation collapses tomorrow in most western cities, the population would dissolve into chaos. When Rome collapsed, they still more or less lived the way they did just with worse conditions, they didn't have to relearn how to live naturally. The only people Id give a chance are farmers and even then most of them heavily rely on tech nowadays.

I feel Toronto and NY will just collapse instantly since theyre urbanite hellholes. In my experience in both cities, outside of the pockets of religious or ethnic communities, people are so atomized they wouldn't survive a week.

Take my opinion on Canada with massive grain of salt though because I'm an international student that keeps to himself for the most part because I live in a big city and I hate the antichrist. From my interactions with older folk a lot of them still have community values, they go to church and have social groups theyre a part of. The younger people are, the more likely their life is just drugs, netflix and partying (even this is a stretch for a lot of people since they rarely interact with anyone). Few have aspirations let alone a real reason to go on living beyond material pleasures. If you look into any groups or societies in the city its incredibly hard to find someone under 30 be a part of them.

If that's the perception you got after the last 2 years i don't know what to tell you

That's why I'm hiding in a little beach town in Mexico. Lots of family / community values. We all work together and help eachother out for the most part. Yeah there is still a little classism but I don't fuck with those jokers.

 

[s0ren]

I only disagree with this because of how the way we live life changed so dramatically. If the internet or electricity or water systems or sanitation collapses tomorrow in most western cities, the population would dissolve into chaos. When Rome collapsed, they still more or less lived the way they did just with worse conditions, they didn't have to relearn how to live naturally. The only people Id give a chance are farmers and even then most of them heavily rely on tech nowadays.

I don't think it's going to be a flip the switch and everything falls apart kind of collapse though. It's going to be decades of the continued degragation of public life, corruption, self-interst and various degrees of violence. I think you underestimate how long a society can run on fumes. If backwater states can keep electric grids going and survive on partly polluted water supplies without going full collapse, I think we'll be able to as well. People are more malleable than they think and will adjust to not having electricity 8-12 hours a day. This article captures what I mean well.

"Collapse is just a series of ordinary days in between extraordinary bullshit, most of it happening to someone else. That's all it is. One day, I was at work when someone left a bomb at the NOLIMIT clothing store. It exploded, killing 17 people. When these types of traumatic events take place, no two people experience the same thing. For me, it was seeing the phone lines getting clogged for an hour. For my wife, it was feeling the explosion a half-kilometer from her house. But for the families of the 17 victims, this was the end. And their grief goes on."

Two more by the same author on the same theme, for our homie who legitimately thinks things are getting better:

View: https://indica.medium.com/collapse-lasts-a-lifetime-america-is-just-getting-started-aae9c4b1427


View: https://indica.medium.com/the-sadness-of-american-collapse-379b80cbe3ee

I feel Toronto and NY will just collapse instantly since theyre urbanite hellholes. In my experience in both cities, outside of the pockets of religious or ethnic communities, people are so atomized they wouldn't survive a week.

I mean upstate NY, not NYC. The distance between Toronto and NYC is too vast to really go the same way as things break down. The servility of urbanite Toronto is exactly why I'll think they'll keep on trucking though. It's prime for some warlord/strongman to keep the lights on by taking over the current public resources and unlike American cities there's not enough guns or will for enough violence to break out in the streets that matters.

 

[nagolbud]

I don't think it's going to be a flip the switch and everything falls apart kind of collapse though. It's going to be decades of the continued degragation of public life, corruption, self-interst and various degrees of violence. I think you underestimate how long a society can run on fumes. If backwater states can keep electric grids going and survive on partly polluted water supplies without going full collapse, I think we'll be able to as well. People are more malleable than they think and will adjust to not having electricity 8-12 hours a day. This article captures what I mean well.

"Collapse is just a series of ordinary days in between extraordinary bullshit, most of it happening to someone else. That's all it is. One day, I was at work when someone left a bomb at the NOLIMIT clothing store. It exploded, killing 17 people. When these types of traumatic events take place, no two people experience the same thing. For me, it was seeing the phone lines getting clogged for an hour. For my wife, it was feeling the explosion a half-kilometer from her house. But for the families of the 17 victims, this was the end. And their grief goes on."

Two more by the same author on the same theme, for our homie who legitimately thinks things are getting better:

View: https://indica.medium.com/collapse-lasts-a-lifetime-america-is-just-getting-started-aae9c4b1427


View: https://indica.medium.com/the-sadness-of-american-collapse-379b80cbe3ee


I mean upstate NY, not NYC. The distance between Toronto and NYC is too vast to really go the same way as things break down. The servility of urbanite Toronto is exactly why I'll think they'll keep on trucking though. It's prime for some warlord/strongman to keep the lights on by taking over the current public resources and unlike American cities there's not enough guns or will for enough violence to break out in the streets that matters.

That's what I fear too. A hard collapse never comes... we are just slowly boiled off like a frog in a pot. It's draining to live in a world like this just imagine it getting worse and worse and worse...

I can deal with a hard collapse. I'm a farmer / survivalist. But this... this slow decay of community and family is creepy as fuck.

 

[Moon-Watcher777]

I don't think it's going to be a flip the switch and everything falls apart kind of collapse though. It's going to be decades of the continued degragation of public life, corruption, self-interst and various degrees of violence. I think you underestimate how long a society can run on fumes. If backwater states can keep electric grids going and survive on partly polluted water supplies without going full collapse, I think we'll be able to as well. People are more malleable than they think and will adjust to not having electricity 8-12 hours a day. This article captures what I mean well.

"Collapse is just a series of ordinary days in between extraordinary bullshit, most of it happening to someone else. That's all it is. One day, I was at work when someone left a bomb at the NOLIMIT clothing store. It exploded, killing 17 people. When these types of traumatic events take place, no two people experience the same thing. For me, it was seeing the phone lines getting clogged for an hour. For my wife, it was feeling the explosion a half-kilometer from her house. But for the families of the 17 victims, this was the end. And their grief goes on."

Your absolutely right that collapse is a gradiant. Brownouts and limited utilities might be world ending for someone living in downtown Dallas, but more a way of life for somebody living in Appalachia. As a whole people in America are used to a standard of living, luxury and freedom that is on the cusp of being a thing of the past. The collapse of america is going to be more quick and violent than most people will allow themselves to realize. Communities closer to the ground can survive the fall. Most of America will be falling from the 6th floor.

 

[s0ren]

Your absolutely right that collapse is a gradiant. Brownouts and limited utilities might be world ending for someone living in downtown Dallas, but more a way of life for somebody living in Appalachia. As a whole people in America are used to a standard of living, luxury and freedom that is on the cusp of being a thing of the past. The collapse of america is going to be more quick and violent than most people will allow themselves to realize. Communities closer to the ground can survive the fall. Most of America will be falling from the 6th floor.

Yeah, I agree about it being a blowout in most of the US (at first at least). People having a lot of weapons + built-up animosity togeter = lots of senseless violence. I think warlords who can make use of the vast resources of what will remain of the American military, National Guard, etc. will be able to maintain some level of minor order though at least for some time.

 

[dimensionalist]

No collapse. Slow second worldization of everything. Depression, mental illness and softcore poverty. Some new types of people that can resist the decline and have good lives in spite of it all will appear.

2072 will make 2022 look like 1972. No real collapse, just a second world country and a depressing one instead of a fun one. Pollution, health problems and all that. Lots of fit and happy people will still exist in many places, but there will be sick looking people everywhere. Welfare will be necessary to prevent war, as there won't be enough jobs. Lots of people that can still find a job in the future will have servants. People will consider it good to have a servant for the sake of providing the poor with low-end jobs, like it is in poor countries. People will do stuff like make cabinets or clothes for money as well as do online work. Part time work plus welfare. Many people will take advantage of the free time and have lots of fun, most will just get depressed.

The best thing about the future might be that people no longer starve to death in almost any country. Starvation-level poverty will disappear as civilization continues to advance and spread in some ways.

No idea what 150 years is but that is what 50 years from now will be if things keep going in this direction.