How long until the collapse?

[SolidStateSurvivor]

2026 give or take for a major financial crisis, worse than 08'.

That certainly appears to be on the horizon. What I find alarming is how the news/government has been signaling that the Russia/Ukraine conflict could cause food shortages. Mix that with a major financial crash and who knows how bad it could get. Doesn't help the US is hungry for direct conflict with Russia either.

And if the people start to get too unruly, just hype up another covid variant and lock them down again lol

 

[proto]

2030, give or take two years is when it will all go to the shitter. The wages wont be able to sustain the oil drilling and thus the entire thing will come crashing down due to simple laws of thermodynamics.

 

[cynthiune]

This sounds very likely, and the real "soymeat and fauxtatoes" of what a real cyberpunk world would consist of: high tech and low life, a degraded and tired society of which the latent infrastructure might even be left to crumble down and be replaced by the hardiest of the remaining plant life, the rise and spider-webbing growth of megacity sprawls and their indentured corpo-inmates and the lest-seen shadowrunners juxtaposed against the garden-techie homesteading off-gridders and mad-max larping offroaders who refuse to bow to the urbanite lifestyle requirements living outside the city walls in the outskirts of decaying boomer-towns of the flyover states, now rife with go-gangs, designer drugs and abandoned train tunnel concerts (bumfights rescheduled to Tuesdays), along with rumors of bands of werewolf hunting rednecks, among other paranormal paraphernalia.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WPB2u8EzL8

Sometimes I think of this slow collapse as almost a "letting go" of all that we don't need to live good and decent lives, aided by a sort of pre-apocalyptic stop-sign mentality and the cultivation of a natural common sense, unburdening our global supply chain and our global energy needs. This reminds me of the world talked about in the manga/anime Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou. This could be what one of our planet's "happy ending" timelines might be like, for the near and far-reaching futures within us all.
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I listened to that whole talk thank you for posting. Incredibly sensible stuff said there.

 

[Pangolin]

I think that the question of a collapse largely depends on your living area, your personal financial circumstances, and your dependence on foreign imports, and the status quo. And even then the question involves determining what type of collapse will happen.

Lets put in a hypothetical that the country has a financial implosion. Okay, so for a while maybe even five years the finances of the country are completely broken as the financial system works to repair and heal itself.

I would say any type of big war like a nuclear, chemical, biological (covid like) would bring about a collapse in the future. If anything a financial collapse is like that one chart that keeps floating around on the net where the buffer of the system was expended but nobody actually notices that the buffer was consumed until the whole system finally snaps like a twig with cataclysmic effects. My totally unqualified opinion, as if experts were actually qualified LOL, is that the financial system will implode because they have painted themselves into a catch 22. Either they raise interest rates and implode the economy, or they let the prices inflate to hell and implode the economy. I doubt they would actually take the route of letting a recession take root to empty out a lot of those extra printed dollars.

 

[digital-man]

Right now.

 

[FacelessMan]

What happened during the collapse of the soviet union? Could the end result be similar in America?

 

[Rübezahl]

Last thing I would do is to bet on a collapse like some /pol/ guy
Hints about one will probably be clear once we're close to one

 

[kodeb8]

There's probably not going to be a collapse anytime soon. Society will however definitely change in very drastic ways thanks to the internet, similar to how the printing press lead to the enlightenment. Whether that's a good or bad thing remains to be seen. Regardless of if this is the beginning of a prosperous future, or if we're in the final stages of the rat utopia experiment, find wherever home is, live there, and carve out the best possible life you can for yourself, because no one else is going to do that for you.

 

[imnotdeadyet]

What happened during the collapse of the soviet union?

Complete collapse of an economic system, civil clashes, poverty, mass starvation, death, highest uptick of child drug addicts, widespread child abuse due to immense poverty, pizza hut commercials to name a few. It's worse then most people think it was. America probably isn't going to collapse but even entertaining that don't think America would come even close to being that bad but it would still be very bad.

Collapse probably won't happen soon, especially for most of the first world, all these crises have chipped away at the power of the average person but things have yet to be even worse. We've got a while to go.

 

[Pangolin]

This is information that can't be known and truly would you want to know? I want it to be a pleasant yet delightful surprise.

Then I want to walk around the ruins of the great cities with several of my allies as we scavenge and loot what remains.

In a lot of ways it'll be like the post Romans. They will consider such ruins to be haunted. And maybe they'll truly be, but haunted with monsters of our own creation. Radiation, abnormal proteins, dormant virus/bacteria, chemical poison.

I think the biggest tragedy aside from the human cost will be the destruction of so many books and knowledge. We'll truly miss the good parts of the old world.

 

[alCannium27]

An economic collapse is coming, simply because the current economic environment has been running on U.S. federal reserve's bullish financial policies, buzzwords instead of innovation nor productiveness empty promises, blind optimism, strangely, after a major bubble burst two decades ago. This is a bubble, a massive multi-hundred-billion sized bubble. Now it's run out of steam there's no sustaining that. "Financial instruments" the highly-paid analysists have been called kept failing because none of them addressed the undyling need for a economy to produce actual products. They've been turning to fanning human greed to fuel the ballooning consumerism that rot people's brain for two whole generations. But the plebs can only spend mindlessly when they think they are rich and well-off. It's hard to keep doing that when your house is now a tent on sidewalk or the backseat of your convertibles.
You can't find another untapped market like they used to in the past; China is proving less that expected, India is not keeping up, Africa is hopeless, Europe is broke, South America is exhausted, and Australia is... Australia. What new demographic to explore? What trillion-value market is left? Antarctica?
I give it until 2028, if the next POTUS gets any economic policies to work, it's a self-serving one; there's no preserving the current order, there's no saving our extravagant spending habits. If the U.S. is to survive, they must reducing spending, and spend in the right places -- that means no more foreign aid, no more social programs, and no more expensive foreign wars. And that means the global money flow will shrink like naked balls in the winter, and all other nations will collapse -- because their monetary values are all tied to the dollar.
And if the next POTUS don't prioritize the U.S. domestic economy and industry, the U.S. economy will collapse. And so will the rest of the world.
Bretton Woods was a mistake.

 

[s0ren]

You can't find another untapped market like they used to in the past; China is proving less that expected, India is not keeping up, Africa is hopeless, Europe is broke, South America is exhausted, and Australia is... Australia. What new demographic to explore? What trillion-value market is left? Antarctica?

This is why they've been slowly letting UFO info out. We're gonna start offshoring production off planet to the space-mexicans next.

 

[Some_porcupine]

I think the biggest tragedy aside from the human cost will be the destruction of so many books and knowledge. We'll truly miss the good parts of the old world.

miss it now too
1997 - 2004
2005 - 2009
2011 - 2015
2017 - 2020?
2021 - ??? (2028 +-)
2030 - ???

 

[Some_porcupine]

An economic collapse is coming, simply because the current economic environment has been running on U.S. federal reserve's bullish financial policies, buzzwords instead of innovation nor productiveness empty promises, blind optimism, strangely, after a major bubble burst two decades ago. This is a bubble, a massive multi-hundred-billion sized bubble. Now it's run out of steam there's no sustaining that. "Financial instruments" the highly-paid analysists have been called kept failing because none of them addressed the undyling need for a economy to produce actual products. They've been turning to fanning human greed to fuel the ballooning consumerism that rot people's brain for two whole generations. But the plebs can only spend mindlessly when they think they are rich and well-off. It's hard to keep doing that when your house is now a tent on sidewalk or the backseat of your convertibles.

XaaS, Services, Subscriptions...

 

[Some_porcupine]

This is why they've been slowly letting UFO info out. We're gonna start offshoring production off planet to the space-mexicans next.

Project SERPO - The Return???

 

[California1998]

In case this somehow survives another 100 years, its Price is Right rules. Closest guess without going over.

Personally I think 2022 is the beginning of the end so I'd give it another 20 years or so.

depends really on which type of collapse

could be really fast from a build up of things coming crashing down. think civil war, world war 3, soviet union style collapse. If that happens Imma say it'll happen soon, like within a few decades. However the nature of that makes me think it's less likely. However it is undoubtly the better of two. As once the collapse happens we can pick ourselves up and start rebuilding. As the saying goes, the first step to recovery is admitting there is a problem. And this type of sudden collapse would make techno-industrial society realize there is a problem.

The second option is far more depressing. It's decay to put it simply. Nothing comes crashing down. everything just kinda falls apart over decades as system after system buckles under the weight of climate change, incompetency, and general neglect. This one is going to suck as our futures are ripped away from us and replaced with a dull grey existence in a society that isn't built for us and that increasingly hates us for being human.

so yeah, really depends. I hope everything goes to shit so we can just start rebuilding. cause I think I'd go crazy in a gradual collapse scenario. But thats prob just me

 

[AnHero]

I also think that a direct 'collapse' is overhyped. Everything is too interconnected (and simultaneously decentralized) these days. At worst there will be a world war and the global order will reset here and there

 

[remember_summer_days]

2067. Screencap this

 

[Some_porcupine]

* joker 2019 *
when

 

[macrobyte]

The second option is far more depressing. It's decay to put it simply. Nothing comes crashing down. everything just kinda falls apart over decades as system after system buckles under the weight of climate change, incompetency, and general neglect. This one is going to suck as our futures are ripped away from us and replaced with a dull grey existence in a society that isn't built for us and that increasingly hates us for being human.

This is what it's currently happening and is what will happen. You can quote me on this. Total collapse and disarray won't happen. That's hard, people have to actually work, and as such people won't like it. The only thing I think that would cause a total collapse and not slow degradation would be a massive natural disaster (that's how old societies fell), that destroys electronics AND kills a lot of people, and even then I doubt total collapse would happen. We could end up with more localized problems (e.g. a civil war in say the USA), but a global total collapse won't happen. Everything will slowly degrade into permanent meh-ness. Brave New World and what have you.