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I figure internet centralization was the cause for all the cultural problems we see today.

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Even if you "train" the algorithm to make your feed mostly chill/fun stuff instead of overly political it always seems like the comments will attract of the sort, here are some of my favourites I've recently come across.

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Even if you "train" the algorithm to make your feed mostly chill/fun stuff instead of overly political it always seems like the comments will attract of the sort, here are some of my favourites I've recently come across.

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yeeeeah, some people can only eat and breathe and poop politics... really sad, NPC behaviour...
 
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yeeeeah, some people can only eat and breathe and poop politics... really sad, NPC behaviour...
At least I get funny takes like "The FDA says all these ingredients are safe to eat" from said NPCs. Get a little entertainment out of the shithole that is instagrams feed haha.
 

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The growing problem of many websites at least social media is the enshittfication of them thanks to monetization and a lot of bots as of lately
People dont care they just wanna make money and ai bots exaggerate this problem to another level
At least Tiktok and clearly Twitter saw a decline thanks to this
 
The growing problem of many websites at least social media is the enshittfication of them thanks to monetization and a lot of bots as of lately
People dont care they just wanna make money and ai bots exaggerate this problem to another level
At least Tiktok and clearly Twitter saw a decline thanks to this
yes. amplifies memes and shit
good stuff get no much attention by automation algo
 
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I think the polarization went into overdrive when tumblr bled into Twitter. It was around then a lot of stuff that was relegated to "tumblrina" status became legitimized.
It's true. People underestimate how much tumblr failing at being a containment site really fucked up the rest of the internet.

Even if you "train" the algorithm to make your feed mostly chill/fun stuff
I like that other people are also consciously "training the algo" to show them stuff they actually want. Everyone should do this, even if it doesn't always work all that great.

You just know this person is a certified high fructose corn syrup guzzler.
 

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I feel you on this, but bringing money into the picture doesn't automatically translate to acting and thinking like a bland corporate marketer. Indie record labels, music scenes, zines and newspapers of times past were all commercial (at least to an extent) while also being independently minded and alternative in their outlook. A current web example might be LOW←TECH MAGAZINE which has a Patreon and sells books but is most definitely 100% based. (<<--- See my lingo, am I down with the kids or what?) Also, if you read their biographies, you realize a lot of great artists and musicians were almost mercenary in their efforts to get ahead.

That's why I prefer the term 'indie' to 'personal' when talking about web revival stuff.
I would agree, "Money is the root of all evil" is better translated to English as "The love of money is the root of all evil." It's not the making money in and of itself that ruins the vibes. I will say though, selling something without coming across like you're just trying to make money is a difficult line to balance.

Even if you "train" the algorithm to make your feed mostly chill/fun stuff instead of overly political it always seems like the comments will attract of the sort, here are some of my favourites I've recently come across.

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Playing defense for the FDA is one of the most pathetically partisan things you could do. Everyone actually involved knows it's horribly under funded for everything it's supposed to regulate, the budget it does have is almost entirely spent on drug. And when it does regulate drugs, it does it so slowly that several people die of cured diseases, just because the FDA hasn't approved it fast enough.

This mentality is entirely just "Well the other team hates the FDA and I hate them, so I'd better defend the FDA to avoid giving the other team a point."

It's true. People underestimate how much tumblr failing at being a containment site really fucked up the rest of the internet.
Ironically enough, my Tumblr-using friends say the website is currently the best it's ever been. All the degens left, and the cringy fandom kids grew up, leaving behind just the surreal humor. I don't personally go there though, so I can't confirm how true that is.
 

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Ironically enough, my Tumblr-using friends say the website is currently the best it's ever been. All the degens left, and the cringy fandom kids grew up, leaving behind just the surreal humor. I don't personally go there though, so I can't confirm how true that is.
I've heard the same sentiment. Apparently pushing out the porn obsessed and literal pedophiles does wonders for userbase quality. I haven't actually used the site either so I can't confirm.
 
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At this point, I think just cultivating offline hobbies and pursuits is the most optimal option. The internet has effectively been turned into a giant ad revenue generation machine and the few places that don't monetize user content remain obscure and unappealing to any general internet user. It's pretty sad to see but I think having offline interactions with friends and family bring the most satisfaction or learning new skills using very specific sources like youtube and applying that to tangible things will help.
 

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Even if you "train" the algorithm to make your feed mostly chill/fun stuff instead of overly political it always seems like the comments will attract of the sort
And even if you get it trained, a few retweets, reblogs, or what not from someone you follow, can poison your feed again. They really expect me to spend time and brain power to filter the actual post from bots and ads to make the actual content enjoyable? Buying AAA-games gives me better enjoyment per dollar...

At this point, I think just cultivating offline hobbies and pursuits is the most optimal option. The internet has effectively been turned into a giant ad revenue generation machine and the few places that don't monetize user content remain obscure and unappealing to any general internet user. It's pretty sad to see but I think having offline interactions with friends and family bring the most satisfaction or learning new skills using very specific sources like youtube and applying that to tangible things will help.
I think it doesn't have to be purely offline. It just has to be localized. Not localized as in real-life nearby, but local as in, a small and niche community. Shouting your progress in your hobby to the wild web is like talking to a brick wall. But caring about and being cared as someone on a personal level is much more engaging when you tell them about hobbies and interests. It's something I notice myself too, I trust word-of-mouth much more than some random guy on YouTube reviewing hardware stuff.

There are a few videos floating around about dead internet theory, yada yada, but one of the possible conclusions is that the internet will move from an open forum, to multiple smaller gate-kept communities. The desire to move offline might just be the need to build walls around a personal space to protect it from trashy shovelware content and NPCs.
 

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And even if you get it trained, a few retweets, reblogs, or what not from someone you follow, can poison your feed again

I completely agree. I think it's hugely because what you want to see isn't what keeps you engaged with the platform. These algorithms aren't entirely designed to feed you stuff that you like, but rather stuff that will keep you on the platform. Namely shit that will piss you off to a degree of wanting to argue. Probably a huge reason why you have those bozos commenting on the stuff in my last post, they got fed the same stuff because the algorithm knows they'll take the time to argue about it haha.
 

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I think it doesn't have to be purely offline. It just has to be localized. Not localized as in real-life nearby, but local as in, a small and niche community. Shouting your progress in your hobby to the wild web is like talking to a brick wall. But caring about and being cared as someone on a personal level is much more engaging when you tell them about hobbies and interests. It's something I notice myself too, I trust word-of-mouth much more than some random guy on YouTube reviewing hardware stuff.

There are a few videos floating around about dead internet theory, yada yada, but one of the possible conclusions is that the internet will move from an open forum, to multiple smaller gate-kept communities. The desire to move offline might just be the need to build walls around a personal space to protect it from trashy shovelware content and NPCs.
That's a good point yeah. I think local communities participating online is pretty good since there's less of a motivation to be a jerk. Just gotta see how the future plays out I suppose.
 

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I think it's decentralization in general that's causing the problems
It's corporate centralization - the wrong kind of centralization causing problems. Decentralization is the first step in re-creating normal community structures. Always has been. There will be growing pains with any transition, so it's easy to see "problems" with decentralization, but I would argue that it's a required step forward if we want to climb out of the corporate structures that run such a large part of the visible web.
 
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Ironically enough, my Tumblr-using friends say the website is currently the best it's ever been. All the degens left, and the cringy fandom kids grew up, leaving behind just the surreal humor. I don't personally go there though, so I can't confirm how true that is.

They should enjoy it will it lasts, then. Tumblr's been slashing back to a skeleton staff and looking for ways to 'modernize' the social aspect of the platform. (Or at least they were, I could be out of date.)
 

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I shouldn't pull this out a year later, but..... Doesn't MMT hold that inflation happens when monetary supply expands while production capacity and supply shrinks.... like it did with lock down and the various disruptions since? Seems kinda accurate.
Sort of. MMT proponents generally believe that unemployment is a result of the government spending too little. As long as there is unemployment and resources, the economy is not at capacity, and thus the government can continue to print money, employing those people and inflation should not occur until there is full employment in the economy. During the Covid era, say 2020-2022, we had lots of unemployed people, we still have the same resources we always had, the farms are still there, the trees are still there, the materials to make concrete are still there, yet government was not able print enough money to increase production of those materials. Here in Canada specifically, we produce a lot of lumber and oil, and the government provided a 75% wage subsidy to most businesses from spring 2020 to early 2022. So we had unemployed people, we had the trees, we had the oil, we had government subsidizing salaries to the tune of 75%. However, we still did not produce enough lumber to keep the price of construction materials from inflating. Why?

I think at the end of the day, the biggest issue with MMT is it assumes if you want to build a road, the materials to make the asphalt and the unemployed labour to do both, you can print money to do both without causing inflation. Who says those people are willing to pick up asphalt rakes and work in road construction? Maybe they all fancy themselves creative types or office workers. Maybe they would rather coast along on savings, as opposed to working with hot asphalt in the sun. Maybe they'd rather take on debt until they can find something they'd rather work at. Maybe they'd rather just move back in with their parents. Those unemployed people are not a mindless, nebulous mass that you can plug into a formula, they are individuals with their own mind who may not particularly want to do the job you want them to do. AFAIK MMT does nothing to acknowledge this, and smacks of something thought up by someone in an ivory tower who does not understand people don't generally just do whatever you want them to without any push back. Maybe I don't want to pave a fucking road.

The ugly truth about our economy is there are jobs that need to be done and nobody wants to do. We are dependent on exploitive forms of labour to find people to fill these gaps. In the past it was slavery, now it's illegal immigrants, overseas sweatshops. and programs here in Canada such as the TFW program and international students.
 
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It is (somewhere) more cheap to those people not have job. Also, huge conspiracy - basically, what NHK in epomymous anime stands for... Gatekeepers and society disables you to hav job...
You see, it costs up to no thingz monmoney no btime, no ivnestment in both, for those who will not. Also, they can't be too smart, or - you see, all the sham the façade, principle the society is build on - exploitation of weak by strong ones, and opposite with parasites too...
- world is kept artificially stunt, or it will crash - differences works, because if not, then working class(H) would eat out these control freaks at WEF/club of Rome/Rockefeller's... (Jk, no one knows their names. Surely some technocrats or bankers (gomoglobo. Stupid bakas, you can't unify the world, that's the joke - who will work but migrants!?!)

That's why it is so fake. You see, internet CANT work. It gives too much power to masses. And those who control BlackRock, monopolies and banking sector (rip bitcoin they stole it), want that power back. Classic feudalist clash... Some_porcupine: See, that's why you can't have shit anymore 6 minutes ago

(Sorry dude above, got inspired, and also recalled Welcome to NHK anime)


World can't get any better, or if it could, no one had to work, we could just sit and slop and masturbate.
Dgmw, there could be still jobs to do, mainly the soft-skolls and with services... Hopefully so, AI have still long way to go, to take any jobs.... Yet.
 
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we still have the same resources we always had, the farms are still there, the trees are still there, the materials to make concrete are still there, yet government was not able print enough money to increase production of those materials.

'cause demand had cratered and the money printing flowed straight into stocks, tech, etc.

Those unemployed people are not a mindless, nebulous mass that you can plug into a formula, they are individuals with their own mind who may not particularly want to do the job you want them to do.

True. I remember being appalled by an Australian MMTer (not Steve Keen) who kept giving the example of paying people to dig holes and fill them in again as sound counter-cyclical MMT policy. I'm guessing he wasn't being literal, but for ****s sake, man. I feel the same way when people talk about bringing back the 'good' jobs like working in a steel plant..... dude, have you ever been in a steel plant?

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