Incel Thread

[Z0diacK]

Incel... I was part of that group once, for a long time. Basically for me was build up trauma of past events, mental illness and loneliness. Finding comfort in odd people such as Elliot Rodger because atleast through that means, I was part of some sort of group. A incel itself is someone who just can't have sex, and it's not very nice to call someone a incel, it's the same as calling someone a virgin, which is also weird because it is perfectly fine to be a virgin and to want to wait till marriage or for the righ girl. Lately I just see people loosely throw the terms "incel" at whatever. /r9k/ was a big part of my incel phase (as obviously thats where it came from) and only the robots there I felt like we had a connection. Most of us just wanted someone who loved us. Sadly most of my friends I made killed themselves because of this, not just wanting a gf, but loneliness aswell, abandoned by family and society. Incel is just a word with alot of power to me. In my later days I got anger, but then let it go and got myself together. I am now in a happy relationship. 5 years ago I would not think like that. So basically, incel goes very deep, and I don't like calling normal people that are sad, lonely and have no gf "incel" as that word has derived from it's meaning to something deragatory. Incel is what I was in the later stage of loneliness when I blamed everything and everyone, full of hatred towards women etc.

 

[Rikstah]

Incel... I was part of that group once, for a long time. Basically for me was build up trauma of past events, mental illness and loneliness. Finding comfort in odd people such as Elliot Rodger because atleast through that means, I was part of some sort of group. A incel itself is someone who just can't have sex, and it's not very nice to call someone a incel, it's the same as calling someone a virgin, which is also weird because it is perfectly fine to be a virgin and to want to wait till marriage or for the righ girl. Lately I just see people loosely throw the terms "incel" at whatever. /r9k/ was a big part of my incel phase (as obviously thats where it came from) and only the robots there I felt like we had a connection. Most of us just wanted someone who loved us. Sadly most of my friends I made killed themselves because of this, not just wanting a gf, but loneliness aswell, abandoned by family and society. Incel is just a word with alot of power to me. In my later days I got anger, but then let it go and got myself together. I am now in a happy relationship. 5 years ago I would not think like that. So basically, incel goes very deep, and I don't like calling normal people that are sad, lonely and have no gf "incel" as that word has derived from it's meaning to something deragatory. Incel is what I was in the later stage of loneliness when I blamed everything and everyone, full of hatred towards women etc.

Indeed, I don't think I've ever been an incel unless you count the virginity up until later years of University.

But I do find it really strange how incel is one of those suffering / alienated peoples that it has somehow become socially acceptable to constantly deride.

Shouldn't we be helping incels become more socially adaptable and blend in better with social norms? That way we get more stable, productive members of society and they become happier with life in general.

 

[Z0diacK]

Shouldn't we be helping incels become more socially adaptable and blend in better with social norms?

No one helps eachother anymore in this world, everything is just filled with ego. Sad! I agree with your statement though, it would be better for the people and society as a whole. But a general sense of "Male Loneliness" is the biggest problem I would say which parts with "incel"-ism

 

[Rikstah]

No one helps eachother anymore in this world, everything is just filled with ego. Sad! I agree with your statement though, it would be better for the people and society as a whole. But a general sense of "Male Loneliness" is the biggest problem I would say which parts with "incel"-ism

In a way though male loneliness is kind of a fact of life. I think modern tech and social media perpetuates a lie that we should always have this sense of being part of something.

Look at the classic books about any time of life pre-smartphones and broadband. The hero of any story is always grasping with their loneliness.

The only thing I'd change now is to dispell the third wave feminist myth that men have it easy in modern society.

 

[Z0diacK]

In a way though male loneliness is kind of a fact of life. I think modern tech and social media perpetuates a lie that we should always have this sense of being part of something.

Look at the classic books about any time of life pre-smartphones and broadband. The hero of any story is always grasping with their loneliness.

The only thing I'd change now is to dispell the third wave feminist myth that men have it easy in modern society.

Hm, I would say it is in the human psyche for the want to be part of "something". At school, you hang out with people that are like you, at work, in public, whatever. You try to find people who are like you, that belong to your group. You have nerds, gamers, whatever (obviously it goes way furthur than just that). It gives you a sense of belonging. A hero grasps with his loneliness but usually ends up leading a group, a team or whatever, meaning they're part of a group nevertheless.

Although, being lonely isn't necesarilly bad. Sometimes you need it, nevertheless you need to conquer your own mind, that usually goes from within and personal, then you need to be lonely, if you understand what I'm saying. Men certainly don't have it easy in society, but in my eyes saying we have it bad doesn't help it either. We do have it bad, but lingering in that mindset also destroys one into making people feel guilt or whatever.

 

[Rikstah]

Hm, I would say it is in the human psyche for the want to be part of "something". At school, you hang out with people that are like you, at work, in public, whatever. You try to find people who are like you, that belong to your group. You have nerds, gamers, whatever (obviously it goes way furthur than just that). It gives you a sense of belonging. A hero grasps with his loneliness but usually ends up leading a group, a team or whatever, meaning they're part of a group nevertheless.

Although, being lonely isn't necesarilly bad. Sometimes you need it, nevertheless you need to conquer your own mind, that usually goes from within and personal, then you need to be lonely, if you understand what I'm saying. Men certainly don't have it easy in society, but in my eyes saying we have it bad doesn't help it either. We do have it bad, but lingering in that mindset also destroys one into making people feel guilt or whatever.

For sure, don't get me wrong community is an essential part of human existence, no man is an island.

We just (as a society) seem to have forgotten that solitude is something you just have to deal with. Social interaction shouldn't be beamed into your eyeballs every spare waking or awkwardly silent moment.

Its why our dopamine receptors are cooked in the west.

Indeed, I'm not advocating for a defeatist mentality, quite the opposite. A lonely man has quite a bit to overcome. If he can overcome his loneliness, strive towards his goals, find commonality with people around him, this is a strength worth respecting.

 

[Some_porcupine]

Tina Turner's son killed himself (read her book, it was nice, Buddhism and some neat takes)
she likes Oprah and thaat second dudess, but what gives

 

[ZinRicky]

No one helps eachother anymore in this world

anymore

It's quite likely that "helping each other" has been rare since complex society. All the scapegoating and witch-hunting come to mind as examples. I think this is the case because helping someone not strictly related to you in some way isn't instinctual enough.

In a way though male loneliness is kind of a fact of life. I think modern tech and social media perpetuates a lie that we should always have this sense of being part of something.

Look at the classic books about any time of life pre-smartphones and broadband. The hero of any story is always grasping with their loneliness.

Social interaction shouldn't be beamed into your eyeballs every spare waking or awkwardly silent moment.

Its why our dopamine receptors are cooked in the west.

Basically this.

 

[Some_porcupine]

<yapp> but america was socialistic in (19)20s <yapp>
<yapp> adam bernays, shit <yapp>

 

[turntableToothache]

Youtube recommended me whatever this is.

View: https://youtu.be/IAA1XtDOuH8?si=RbJDqCHtsV90J7-O

I found it interesting, not the video itself (not watching allat lol), but rather the distorted view incels have of women, where they think a woman is just automatically living on easy mode and how it's preferable to being an ugly man so much they'll try to become them. They'd rather go the easy route and say "I'm not a man I'm actually a woman because I'm not a 6 foot bearded nordic chad" rather than accepting that looking like an ubermensch is not a requirement to be a man. "Not enough bitches? Why not become the bitch?" Basically.