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Incel... I was part of that group once, for a long time. Basically for me was build up trauma of past events, mental illness and loneliness. Finding comfort in odd people such as Elliot Rodger because atleast through that means, I was part of some sort of group. A incel itself is someone who just can't have sex, and it's not very nice to call someone a incel, it's the same as calling someone a virgin, which is also weird because it is perfectly fine to be a virgin and to want to wait till marriage or for the righ girl. Lately I just see people loosely throw the terms "incel" at whatever. /r9k/ was a big part of my incel phase (as obviously thats where it came from) and only the robots there I felt like we had a connection. Most of us just wanted someone who loved us. Sadly most of my friends I made killed themselves because of this, not just wanting a gf, but loneliness aswell, abandoned by family and society. Incel is just a word with alot of power to me. In my later days I got anger, but then let it go and got myself together. I am now in a happy relationship. 5 years ago I would not think like that. So basically, incel goes very deep, and I don't like calling normal people that are sad, lonely and have no gf "incel" as that word has derived from it's meaning to something deragatory. Incel is what I was in the later stage of loneliness when I blamed everything and everyone, full of hatred towards women etc.
 
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Incel... I was part of that group once, for a long time. Basically for me was build up trauma of past events, mental illness and loneliness. Finding comfort in odd people such as Elliot Rodger because atleast through that means, I was part of some sort of group. A incel itself is someone who just can't have sex, and it's not very nice to call someone a incel, it's the same as calling someone a virgin, which is also weird because it is perfectly fine to be a virgin and to want to wait till marriage or for the righ girl. Lately I just see people loosely throw the terms "incel" at whatever. /r9k/ was a big part of my incel phase (as obviously thats where it came from) and only the robots there I felt like we had a connection. Most of us just wanted someone who loved us. Sadly most of my friends I made killed themselves because of this, not just wanting a gf, but loneliness aswell, abandoned by family and society. Incel is just a word with alot of power to me. In my later days I got anger, but then let it go and got myself together. I am now in a happy relationship. 5 years ago I would not think like that. So basically, incel goes very deep, and I don't like calling normal people that are sad, lonely and have no gf "incel" as that word has derived from it's meaning to something deragatory. Incel is what I was in the later stage of loneliness when I blamed everything and everyone, full of hatred towards women etc.
Indeed, I don't think I've ever been an incel unless you count the virginity up until later years of University.

But I do find it really strange how incel is one of those suffering / alienated peoples that it has somehow become socially acceptable to constantly deride.

Shouldn't we be helping incels become more socially adaptable and blend in better with social norms? That way we get more stable, productive members of society and they become happier with life in general.
 
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Shouldn't we be helping incels become more socially adaptable and blend in better with social norms?
No one helps eachother anymore in this world, everything is just filled with ego. Sad! I agree with your statement though, it would be better for the people and society as a whole. But a general sense of "Male Loneliness" is the biggest problem I would say which parts with "incel"-ism
 
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No one helps eachother anymore in this world, everything is just filled with ego. Sad! I agree with your statement though, it would be better for the people and society as a whole. But a general sense of "Male Loneliness" is the biggest problem I would say which parts with "incel"-ism
In a way though male loneliness is kind of a fact of life. I think modern tech and social media perpetuates a lie that we should always have this sense of being part of something.

Look at the classic books about any time of life pre-smartphones and broadband. The hero of any story is always grasping with their loneliness.

The only thing I'd change now is to dispell the third wave feminist myth that men have it easy in modern society.
 
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In a way though male loneliness is kind of a fact of life. I think modern tech and social media perpetuates a lie that we should always have this sense of being part of something.

Look at the classic books about any time of life pre-smartphones and broadband. The hero of any story is always grasping with their loneliness.

The only thing I'd change now is to dispell the third wave feminist myth that men have it easy in modern society.
Hm, I would say it is in the human psyche for the want to be part of "something". At school, you hang out with people that are like you, at work, in public, whatever. You try to find people who are like you, that belong to your group. You have nerds, gamers, whatever (obviously it goes way furthur than just that). It gives you a sense of belonging. A hero grasps with his loneliness but usually ends up leading a group, a team or whatever, meaning they're part of a group nevertheless.

Although, being lonely isn't necesarilly bad. Sometimes you need it, nevertheless you need to conquer your own mind, that usually goes from within and personal, then you need to be lonely, if you understand what I'm saying. Men certainly don't have it easy in society, but in my eyes saying we have it bad doesn't help it either. We do have it bad, but lingering in that mindset also destroys one into making people feel guilt or whatever.
 
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Hm, I would say it is in the human psyche for the want to be part of "something". At school, you hang out with people that are like you, at work, in public, whatever. You try to find people who are like you, that belong to your group. You have nerds, gamers, whatever (obviously it goes way furthur than just that). It gives you a sense of belonging. A hero grasps with his loneliness but usually ends up leading a group, a team or whatever, meaning they're part of a group nevertheless.

Although, being lonely isn't necesarilly bad. Sometimes you need it, nevertheless you need to conquer your own mind, that usually goes from within and personal, then you need to be lonely, if you understand what I'm saying. Men certainly don't have it easy in society, but in my eyes saying we have it bad doesn't help it either. We do have it bad, but lingering in that mindset also destroys one into making people feel guilt or whatever.
For sure, don't get me wrong community is an essential part of human existence, no man is an island.

We just (as a society) seem to have forgotten that solitude is something you just have to deal with. Social interaction shouldn't be beamed into your eyeballs every spare waking or awkwardly silent moment.

Its why our dopamine receptors are cooked in the west.

Indeed, I'm not advocating for a defeatist mentality, quite the opposite. A lonely man has quite a bit to overcome. If he can overcome his loneliness, strive towards his goals, find commonality with people around him, this is a strength worth respecting.
 
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Tina Turner's son killed himself (read her book, it was nice, Buddhism and some neat takes)
she likes Oprah and thaat second dudess, but what gives
 
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No one helps eachother anymore in this world
It's quite likely that "helping each other" has been rare since complex society. All the scapegoating and witch-hunting come to mind as examples. I think this is the case because helping someone not strictly related to you in some way isn't instinctual enough.
In a way though male loneliness is kind of a fact of life. I think modern tech and social media perpetuates a lie that we should always have this sense of being part of something.

Look at the classic books about any time of life pre-smartphones and broadband. The hero of any story is always grasping with their loneliness.
Social interaction shouldn't be beamed into your eyeballs every spare waking or awkwardly silent moment.

Its why our dopamine receptors are cooked in the west.
Basically this.
 
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<yapp> but america was socialistic in (19)20s <yapp>
<yapp> adam bernays, shit <yapp>
 
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Youtube recommended me whatever this is.

View: https://youtu.be/IAA1XtDOuH8?si=RbJDqCHtsV90J7-O

I found it interesting, not the video itself (not watching allat lol), but rather the distorted view incels have of women, where they think a woman is just automatically living on easy mode and how it's preferable to being an ugly man so much they'll try to become them. They'd rather go the easy route and say "I'm not a man I'm actually a woman because I'm not a 6 foot bearded nordic chad" rather than accepting that looking like an ubermensch is not a requirement to be a man. "Not enough bitches? Why not become the bitch?" Basically.
 
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I honestly think the blackpill has some truth to it, but focuses on the wrong aspect. Basically you need some combination of good looks, status, and sociability/charisma in a free feminist society to find a girl. Incels lack in those 3 traits in some way or combination that results in them unable to find even one women who is willing to get with them.

If you look like a model, than you can be a poor, asocial loser and get girls. If you're wealthy or famous, you can be awkward and ugly and get girls. If you're extremely charming and sociable, you can be an ugly nobody and charm your way into a rich social life and get a girl.

But frankly I'd say looks are the least important of the 3. Unless you are really handsome, like the best looking guy in whatever room you go into, you need to be sociable or successful in life to get a girl.
 

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If you look like a model, than you can be a poor, asocial loser and get girls. If you're wealthy or famous, you can be awkward and ugly and get girls. If you're extremely charming and sociable, you can be an ugly nobody and charm your way into a rich social life and get a girl.
You sound underage.
If you want a partner that bad, you only need self-confidence, that's it. Money helps, but its completely optional.

Of course, some incels are completely mentally-derranged by now and need more than a healthy-masculine figure to guide them; they need serious psychological help.


"Not enough bitches? Why not become the bitch?" Basically.
Yeah, it's a video about the incel to trans phenomena, the whole 1 hour video boils down to this sentence.
There is more to be said about it though:
How can someone that has never experienced the joy of being a man, want to be a man?
And besides that, the fact that a lot of men struggle between the desire to be pretty and the desire to be manly, as if the two things were mutually-exclusive.

Men have been going through a lot for the past decade, I feel sorry for the fellas.
 

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If you want a partner that bad, you only need self-confidence, that's it. Money helps, but its completely optional.
I agree in that you don't need money. If you are very self confident, you will most likely have the confidence to put yourself out there in a genuine manner which unironically would make you a sociable and likable person.
Of course, some incels are completely mentally-derranged by now and need more than a healthy-masculine figure to guide them; they need serious psychological help.
I'd say the most screwed up do need mental help. But I would say most just need a break. They need someone who can help them reintegrate into a good social network, someone's who is willing to hold a hand out, invite them out to parties, hangouts etc. But you can only do that if they are somewhat sane.
 

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legal prostitution would help these dudes alot. that first dip into a real woman sets almost everyone straight.

we all think of some idylic time where everyone had social skills and got laid all the time, but the truth is would be incels back in the day either paid for sex, paid for a loveless marriage, or dragged girls into alleys.

in some ways the modern world is much better for loners. no expectations, no requirements. open up some brothels and most of them would be truly happy i think.
 

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Can't remember if I've posted on this thread before, probably have but whatever XD.

The thing with incels varies. At this point, the word pretty much is used for anyone who says something slightly too mean or retarded about women, although when it actually describes the person and isn't just a meaningless usage of the word, it devolves into a simple conversation.

Most actual incels, from what I've seen, don't realize that they're looking for actual love and not meaningless sex. The former is amazing, the latter is entirely pointless and arguably worse off than just masturbation because of the fact that there is now the pregnancy risk if you're not careful (it's easy to avoid the risk, but still), yet usually still plenty of regret UNLESS you have an emotional attachment to the person.

Also, as it is obvious to 95% of the people here, stuff like "looksmaxxing" and "notjackingofftofemboymaidoutfitsmaxxing" aren't required to get a queen, although the latter along with showermaxxing is a good idea. Odds are, you aren't so much of a genetic dead-end that you'd never find love. If you were, you'd probably not even want to date anyone anyways, thus making you not an incel by definition and probably not by act. That or you may just be a fag, although then you probably wouldn't need to do "notjackingofftofemboymaidoutfitsmaxxing" as I suggest.

There is a bit of truth to "maxxing", but other than showering and "notjackingofftofemboymaidoutfitsmaxxing", it's grass-touching and having actual confidence maxxing, however don't be too confident as that can be a problem too. It's easy to find someone who loves you that you also love, assuming you know where to look. I would actually argue for something else and that's to not actively try to seek out a relationship, but rather just let things play it's course. If you're in love and they're not dating someone (assuming you have good justification to believe they're in love too), I would argue that you should confess your love still unless you have reasons to not do so, which in many cases you probably do but still.

However, I would argue it's not even worth actively trying to find someone, since I've never seen a relationship that started out of desperation rather than love actually go well. Even if they would stay together, it seems to devolve in pretty much every case. Essentially, don't date someone for the sake of dating them. I see it a lot among both those younger and even older than me, which is weird. Dating for the sake of dating is pointless if you and whoever you're dating knows, and it's wrong if the person you're dating doesn't know you don't actually love them.

Middle-schoolers usually don't know it's wrong, and sure their "love" is actually just sitting next to each other in class and these relationships don't last more than a few months usually, let alone years, decades, or a lifetime, but I still would argue it's strange. Seeing high-schoolers do this on the other hand is more concerning, since by 14 it seems likely you'd know something is off there. Usually it's just the 9th, and sometimes 10th graders who do this, because otherwise they're slightly more serious or "in love" per se, but still. Anyone 11th grade and beyond who dates for the sake of dating, and not dating out of love, seems to know what they're doing, yet decides to be evil anyways. Luckily, it's easy to avoid these types from what I can tell, few are intelligent enough to truly hide it (you can almost spot them out by their looks, you just watch their actions to confirm it).

Another note, you can also just not date people at all IRL (like I did) and decide to e-date. If you're both adults, then you two just have to plan out visiting each other and that stuff. If you're both minors, then don't do it because you're going to get groomed. If you do it anyways and don't get groomed by a 40 year old pedophile somehow, then I will warn you that you will feel extreme levels of dread if you desire touch. Because, for up to several years, you will be physically unable to see this person you're dating. At best, you might be able to do a video-call but it is not as good as being able to actually see their smile in real life. But in many cases, if you actually manage to last long enough to see them and go from there, you two should be good.Btw I'm an e-dater myself, although I don't e-date on Discord because I'm not a faggot and I don't like getting groomed. The "don't e-date" thing is a case of "do as I say, not as I do". Although I've made it over a year with my queen in question, so that's nice. Would probably cry if this did not last but whatever. Uhhh don't edate if you're a minor but if you do, make sure you don't get groomed.
uhhhh yea idk what else to say

TLDR: Avoid Women, 99% Of Incels Are Just Retards, And You Should Showermaxx Dumbfuck
 
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Most actual incels, from what I've seen, don't realize that they're looking for actual love and not meaningless sex
"demisexual" made up word for long meaning
 
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