Incel Thread

[JihyoParkXX]

Crap website. It's designed to sell the image of the alpha male to young men and make them promiscuous. None of the actual underlying problems are dealt with. It's simply designed to fix the virginity issue and nothing else.

I don't disagree with you. Haven't read through the entire thing but as degenerate as it is, I was impressed with the fact that someone wrote out exact steps you could take to bring yourself to bring yourself to sex, so I believe it's worth a try for desperate people. I've outgrown the phase I had in my teenage years when sex was the one huge achievement I needed to get as soon as possible but this would be something I would show to people like that. Promiscuity is a problem plaguing modern society and a lot of people on dating apps aren't by definition involuntary celibates and instead actively seeking out casual sex.

It was hypocritical of me to share advice that against my own views and would otherwise never follow. My apologies for posting cringe.

 

[Andy Kaufman]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w44AkmAOfko

 

[WALFTEAM]

Saw this, cringed into orbit, and now all of you get to cringe too:


View: https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1575867907892187136


It just gets worse with every word

 

[WALFTEAM]

SOSTA/FESTA nuking craigslist personals along with countless other smaller old-school personals sites so the new big-data Apps could take completely over is just... disproportionately bleak.

 

[handoferis]

why does every single one of them creak at the end of saying 'democrat'

 

[Vetusomaru]

"Incel" is just another retarded strawman boogeyman, just like altright were years ago.

 

[Vetusomaru]

NPCs: "Lol! Incels are virgin losers that stay home all day playing video games and watching anime."
Me: "Then why you cry about them all day? They don't harm you."
NPCs: "Nooooooooo! They're a threat to society! Most mass shooters are incels!"

Are they shut-in losers or not? Make up your mind!

 

[Szurlk367]

The truth is there is no solution for the Problem of Virginity/Incel/TFL/ShyGuys/ some people will have partners others will not its not a big revelation thats how Nature works some Animals never reproduce the same happen with Humans i dont believe that Self Improve, having a better personality or meet more people is the Solution you cant force someone to like you there is not Guide for this type of things in the End having a Girlfriend/Wife having a Family its just part of the Matrix its just banal things everyone wants you to be an average individual i recommend people who are in this situation to practice Buddhism or Stoicism

 

[wearyinternettraveler]

What I speculate has happened is that it's very difficult to find intimacy today of any kind. And the whole talk above stems from that. And you can guess that's it by lot of things. There's too much to cite specifically, but you can look up for instance how hapiness levels are lowest today in decades, or how empathy levels have declined massively too. It's pretty easy to find. And where to put the blame depends on how high up you want to go, I would say actually the root of the problem is how our society developed, but that would be lot to write about. Instead I give you examples about how really anti-intimacy and empathy our culture is.

I feel that the accelerated atomization of society has really exasperated the issue you describe. People are quick to deride incels and other loner weirdos for thinking they "deserve" intimacy (e.g. "women don't owe you anything") when it is in fact true that, in general, things used to be a tad simpler. There used to be some kind of societal expectation that if you got good grades and had a stable job, you'd eventually find a partner. I don't think it's wrong or evil to want that, or even for thinking you've been somehow shafted when society writ large doesn't hold up their end of the implicit bargain. Of course, women are victims in this too, but when the mainstream is not even going to entertain the thought it's no wonder these hurt people find hugboxes to fester in.

Because at that point there were gender norms and expectations that society generally agreed upon. Don't get me wrong - they were extremely restrictive norms that undoubtedly had negative impacts on many people, especially women, but they provided structure and guidelines that many people desperately need.

There's an old 4chan post that went something like this: "A common trope in dystopian stories is that the people living in the dystopia don't realize anything is amiss. Imaging showing someone from the 1950s the modern world. They'd be horrified." I think about it far too often.

People recede into screen life and have minimal amounts of meaningful social interactions, only deepening their sense of being lost or adrift in the world they find themselves in.

This became very clear during the andrew tate/grifter university blowup on twitter. A common recurring theme were teachers doomsaying over young (think middle school) boys getting roped into that shit. A very salient example was a single mom discovering her son was into his content. Then I realized that even mentioning the concept that, maybe, young boys need male role models would be a social faux pas. Not a single person even considered that tate was fulfilling a niche that really does exist regardless of whether it's politically correct for it to exist. If the buyers are there, the seller will come.



I think the discussion in this thread has been really refreshing. I will say I do think that incels as a group get a lot of shit because they're considered politically safe to do so. You can't mock patently ridiculous behavior like people using weirdo pronouns, so you save up the ridicule to unleash on a designated "good target." It's unfortunate because I do think a good chunk of weirdness in the modern culture can be traced back to the same thing that caused "inceldom" (lol), mainly this feeling of being unmoored in a strange society, not like the one your parents grew up in and prepared you for.

 

[Jill Stingray]

This is an interesting thread (and one I got an email notification for lmao). Permit me to open myself up to mockery on this topic (and also happy 1 year Agora anniversary woo):

I didn't know jack shit about incels, the manosphere, red pills, MGTOW, all this shit until Covid. Maybe it was Q3 2020 that I came across this stuff. Now, prior to all this, I've been in short-term, long-term relationships, one night stands etc. I'm in my late 20's now, but when I was in high school I definitely would have been considered a proto-incel; I used to get very frustrated about girls, thought I was too short, ugly, plus being a minority didn't help.

Despite all that, I managed to socialise fine, get laid and managed to get stalked a few times lmao. I will confess I did have extra things that helped me; I've always generally been in good shape and physically active, and was a musician for a while, but I'm still 5'6" and keep my head clean-shaved bald (due to my racial background, I don't think being bald has been all that negative if I'm being honest. I also get weird comments about my head being a "good shape", whatever the fuck that means).

But here comes 2020, and I stumble across all these internet worlds I had no idea about; dudes talking about 80/20, hypergamy, Chad's, Stacy's, AF/BB. Now, though my relationships had been fine, and some were total clusterfucks, I started to have this incredibly sinking feeling that there was some truth to all of it. I'll admit, I went down the absolute rabbit hole, and it's now permeated my entire vision of women and relationships.

A percentage of the community also seems to be made up of men who are not actually incels but have had the bad luck of being in an extremely toxic relationship where the woman was fucking nuts and fucked them over and now they resent women or men who had a mother who was fucking nuts and now they resent women. Those are the ones I pity.

This sums up myself to a T. I don't think I'd be considered an incel considering my body count and relationship history, but there's still this lingering feeling of being some sort of romantic reject, due to these physical things that are out of my control. I'm sure my personality has also taken a hit because of these views as well.

As I get older, and life gets more difficult being a single renter living in this absolutely bullshit inflationary hell, I find myself thinking how nice it'd be to have someone to build something with, instead of trying to fruitlessly beat the increasing costs of living by jumping jobs every so often. Definitely been on my mind more and more, and it's wearing me down, but I guess I've latched onto whichever "truths" I came across as I fell down the rabbit hole and I've convinced myself this is the only real way I can live. Ignorance was bliss.

My only real motivation sometimes is to just save up whatever scraps I can and go backpacking across the world until my money runs out. I don't really see a future where I'm able to properly settle down in any fashion. I would like my mindset to change, but (maybe due to being stuck in a feedback loop), I only really see examples that all the observations made by incels and whatnot are actually true. Sucks man.

 

[no_chill]

But here comes 2020, and I stumble across all these internet worlds I had no idea about;

Tbh from what I've experienced, dating life got so much worse as soon as the coof popped up. So thats also a reason. Before you could write off some or all of that to unique cases or bad luck. But now it really got almost disastrous

 

[ECHETLAEUS]

The problem is that incels-coomers-weak males(man and woman words for me are honorific titles for the male and female) are giving power to females who shouldent have(whores, lazy, degenerate and fake chicks, sometimes fat). These girls gaining power and becoming the Alphas without even be, as a result they gained control and influence and the shit gets bigger(the same with weak men). Statistically the moral values and the mental strength are going to hell. The system wants degenerate males because men are the base of the society. What makes you think a generation of men grown by women need another one?(fight club quote i hope i didnt mess up). You need a woman to your life but not a human to worship.

 

[no_chill]

The problem is that incels-coomers-weak males(man and woman words for me are honorific titles for the male and female) are giving power to females who shouldent have(whores, lazy, degenerate and fake chicks, sometimes fat). These girls gaining power and becoming the Alphas without even be, as a result they gained control and influence and the shit gets bigger(the same with weak men). Statistically the moral values and the mental strength are going to hell. The system wants degenerate males because men are the base of the society. What makes you think a generation of men grown by women need another one?(fight club quote i hope i didnt mess up). You need a woman to your life but not a human to worship.

This. And those women dont even need a man in a classical sense anymore. An aquaintance of mine is an onlyfans model and has several thousands of friends and followers on insta, fb etc and I see whats going on there. She has dozens of so called "men" daily in her inbox offering her expensive travels, dinner, gifts etc. She literally lives on those gibs. And those guys are from all over the country. Realistically you as a normal man dont have a chance, because you cant offer her anything. You cant plan romantic things like going ice skating or a walk around the lake because 10 other dudes simultaneously offer her a ride in theri Porsche to the most expensive place and after that get her feet and ass licked by them. They even pay for that too lmao.
Not that I have any particular feelings for her, given she's a druggie too and generally pretty dull. But theres thousands like her out there. And rach have hundreds of those betas around them. Those betas than go out to normal women and act the same. I see those messages you send her, I see your dickpicks or your pleas to be her slave.

All this led to an enormous drop in quality of dating. Those guys rack up all the tickets and you are left paying the fines for them.

Modern men have become retards in how they interact with women and it has serious consequences for everyone else. If she has an insta and a few hundred followers, you can bet your arse she had at least 40 sexual offers and a few dozen of those "Come date me I pay for you" etc etc.

A girl I meet for kinky bdsm stuff has other random guys paying her to do the same.
The only way to be special anymore ( for a woman) is to be the exact opposite of all the other guys. I downright state before I meet someone that I wont pay for shit when we go out. I even taunt her saying " Well you could pay for my stuff babe" sometimes they even do lol.

Now imagine all this for a guy that looks average. Without sounding arrogant but I know who I am, I get photographed a lot and had some minor modelling offers. I'm also well spoken and fairly intelligent. I know I'm better off than most and I still have troubles on the current dating market. Unless you've known her years or even before the rise of online whoring and online betas you wont have it easy with a girl. And I mean all that in terms of a healthy relationship. You can fuck someone fairly quick and easy, but that gets stale and dangerous if done too often.

 

[ECHETLAEUS]

This. And those women dont even need a man in a classical sense anymore. An aquaintance of mine is an onlyfans model and has several thousands of friends and followers on insta, fb etc and I see whats going on there. She has dozens of so called "men" daily in her inbox offering her expensive travels, dinner, gifts etc. She literally lives on those gibs. And those guys are from all over the country. Realistically you as a normal man dont have a chance, because you cant offer her anything. You cant plan romantic things like going ice skating or a walk around the lake because 10 other dudes simultaneously offer her a ride in theri Porsche to the most expensive place and after that get her feet and ass licked by them. They even pay for that too lmao.
Not that I have any particular feelings for her, given she's a druggie too and generally pretty dull. But theres thousands like her out there. And rach have hundreds of those betas around them. Those betas than go out to normal women and act the same. I see those messages you send her, I see your dickpicks or your pleas to be her slave.

All this led to an enormous drop in quality of dating. Those guys rack up all the tickets and you are left paying the fines for them.

Modern men have become retards in how they interact with women and it has serious consequences for everyone else. If she has an insta and a few hundred followers, you can bet your arse she had at least 40 sexual offers and a few dozen of those "Come date me I pay for you" etc etc.

A girl I meet for kinky bdsm stuff has other random guys paying her to do the same.
The only way to be special anymore ( for a woman) is to be the exact opposite of all the other guys. I downright state before I meet someone that I wont pay for shit when we go out. I even taunt her saying " Well you could pay for my stuff babe" sometimes they even do lol.

Now imagine all this for a guy that looks average. Without sounding arrogant but I know who I am, I get photographed a lot and had some minor modelling offers. I'm also well spoken and fairly intelligent. I know I'm better off than most and I still have troubles on the current dating market. Unless you've known her years or even before the rise of online whoring and online betas you wont have it easy with a girl. And I mean all that in terms of a healthy relationship. You can fuck someone fairly quick and easy, but that gets stale and dangerous if done too often.

I dont know but most of the females are desperate for attention. Males are useless for them nowadays because there are less and less more dangers to encounter, less and less needs and less men.Also lust is like sugar, it provokes the dopamine to rise and then fall down more than the standard and then more and more need occurs. These females take advantage of em.

 

[wearyinternettraveler]

The problem is that incels-coomers-weak males(man and woman words for me are honorific titles for the male and female) are giving power to females who shouldent have(whores, lazy, degenerate and fake chicks, sometimes fat). These girls gaining power and becoming the Alphas without even be, as a result they gained control and influence and the shit gets bigger(the same with weak men). Statistically the moral values and the mental strength are going to hell. The system wants degenerate males because men are the base of the society. What makes you think a generation of men grown by women need another one?(fight club quote i hope i didnt mess up). You need a woman to your life but not a human to worship.

Spoiler: Spoiler

Pardon the gay retvrn to rvme vibe, I didn't write it

 

[ECHETLAEUS]

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Spoiler: Spoiler

Pardon the gay retvrn to rvme vibe, I didn't write it

I fucking agree 100%, thats the mens fault.

 

[Orlando Smooth]

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This is it, this is all of it. This is why I personally have never struggled for too long to find a partner*, and the ones I've found have been high enough quality that we built serious relationships before having to go our separate ways for rational, adults reasons. I'm engaged now to someone who wants to pursue a career, get married, have a family, and own property. People like her are not rare, but the reality you have to accept is that they're not only fans models or eGirl gamer sluts either. They don't dress in designer heels every day or carefully craft their social media presence. They're not going to be that which you list over at first glance, but they are extremely attractive as partners and are willing to actually improve themselves, unlike the onlyfans/eGirl/influencer/sugar baby types. These women are out there, they're not even rare, the difference is that they are much more comfortable being alone than any incel so they have to actually be impressed by your virtue and quality to be won over. It's not an insurmountable task, but it does require effort and is exactly why incels do not get to be with them.



*For the people who talk shit about using this term, in this context: I haven't sought out a "girlfriend" since I was like 16. I sought out a partner with whom I wanted to build my life. Boyfriend/girlfriend is trite, partner is meaningful, and significant other descriptive in situations where a group of men and women are bringing a guest (e.g., an office holiday party).

 

[bnuungus]

This is it, this is all of it. This is why I personally have never struggled for too long to find a partner*, and the ones I've found have been high enough quality that we built serious relationships before having to go our separate ways for rational, adults reasons. I'm engaged now to someone who wants to pursue a career, get married, have a family, and own property. People like her are not rare, but the reality you have to accept is that they're not only fans models or eGirl gamer sluts either. They don't dress in designer heels every day or carefully craft their social media presence. They're not going to be that which you list over at first glance, but they are extremely attractive as partners and are willing to actually improve themselves, unlike the onlyfans/eGirl/influencer/sugar baby types. These women are out there, they're not even rare, the difference is that they are much more comfortable being alone than any incel so they have to actually be impressed by your virtue and quality to be won over. It's not an insurmountable task, but it does require effort and is exactly why incels do not get to be with them.



*For the people who talk shit about using this term, in this context: I haven't sought out a "girlfriend" since I was like 16. I sought out a partner with whom I wanted to build my life. Boyfriend/girlfriend is trite, partner is meaningful, and significant other descriptive in situations where a group of men and women are bringing a guest (e.g., an office holiday party).

In my first year of marriage I came to the realization pretty quick that the average guy on the internet bemoaning the fact that he doesn't have a girlfriend would absolutely hate being in a relationship with someone long-term because relationships take work. It seems to me that for most people in this category, all they want is someone to pamper them and keep them satisfied while they don't really have to take up any responsibilities at all. They want someone who will take care of their every whim without asking for anything else in return and that's just impossible. While yes, a truly deep and meaningful relationship does involve making sacrifices for your partner without asking for anything in return, if it is too one-sided (one of the individuals in the relationship not making any effort to reciprocate these sacrifices) then it will strain the person who is actually putting work into the relationship and then cracks start to form. Long-term relationships only function if both people involved give completely of themselves for the sake of the other person, and for no other reason. It involves sacrifice, but if you're truly meant to be with the other person then you'll find that you want to make those sacrifices, and will feel more fulfilled when you make them.

tl;dr relationships are hard but fulfilling work and anyone who is going to be in one needs to know this

 

[Jessica3cho雪血⊜青意]

Go touch grass, faggots!

 

[Remember_Summer_Days]