Israel-Hamas War thread, has the powder keg exploded?

[no_chill]

I'm calling it now against all odds israel will lose spectacularly. It's hard to explain in 1 post but if you follow things on the ground in Arabic it's easier to get the position they're in. Egypt is feigning neutrality but have struck a deal with Hamas in exchange for the removal of muslim brotherhood elements in their ranks. Hezbollah is joining in now from the north. The Israeli military itself is weaker than ever with a docile citizen base to pull from.

Israel is in a bind on many levels. It really isn't as set as people think. Everyone forgets they got BTFO when they invaded Lebanon and that was almost 20 years ago now. With the US focus split between this and Ukraine and a potential Taiwan invasion, the tides can easily turn in favor of Palestine.

Deus Vult

And after the destruction of the Israeli occupiers, and the rightful return of Palestine, all the Arabs currently residing in Europe can be brought back. And I will personally assist in this endeavour

 

[SolidStateSurvivor]

I'm calling it now against all odds israel will lose spectacularly. It's hard to explain in 1 post but if you follow things on the ground in Arabic it's easier to get the position they're in. Egypt is feigning neutrality but have struck a deal with Hamas in exchange for the removal of muslim brotherhood elements in their ranks. Hezbollah is joining in now from the north. The Israeli military itself is weaker than ever with a docile citizen base to pull from.

Israel is in a bind on many levels. It really isn't as set as people think. Everyone forgets they got BTFO when they invaded Lebanon and that was almost 20 years ago now. With the US focus split between this and Ukraine and a potential Taiwan invasion, the tides can easily turn in favor of Palestine.

There is zero chance Israel falls like this. It's more likely that any group/country backing Hamas will be inevitably carpet bombed, slaughtered, and ultimately colonized for resources, be it by Israel for land or the US for oil.

It's not a false flag, BUT it is a perfect opportunity/justification for the elites to do a power grab. Short term: Israel gets billions to wage war; long term: Israel gets billions more to "rebuild" and "strengthen" itself, which is all far more important to US lawmakers than ANYTHING going on domestically.

Just look at how morally biased the media coverage of this whole excursion has been, they're already priming people for the justification of a brutal Israeli backlash. It's a negligent and deliberate mis-characterization of the Palestinian struggle through and through. Objectively looking at some of the Russian and Hamas tactics that are often criticized, it's the same shit the US/Israel did to foreign nations for decades.

Even if the public attention is diverted to Ukraine, the money will ultimately flow to Israel, as it always does.

The most disgusting part to me about this all is the uniformed extent to which every major politician has backed Israel without any nuance, any second guessing. Israel is the uniparty's bastard love child, they will never let it die even if it means sacrificing us all.

Spoiler: Hypothetical

Israel has nukes, if they were to annihilate Middle Eastern strongholds on their own accord, it'll be peak clown world watching all the elites who fear mongered and pre-emptively condemned Russia for considering this tactic try to 180 pivot and narratively frame such barbarism as a justified "good thing." The "international community" would watch and cheer it on.

 

[no_chill]

The most disgusting part to me about this all is the uniformed extent to which every major politician has backed Israel without any nuance, any second guessing. Israel is the uniparty's bastard love child, they will never let it die even if it means sacrificing us all.

Yes. Because Democracy was implemented to only serve the interests of the jews and Israel. So they could prep up their Golems, vote them in and in turn have gibs send to them whenever possible.

But be aware, the more open they are to this and the more they support or even go to war for them the easier and more likely it is for the opposition to fight back against them and be victorious. Such is the law. The Snake is the most vulnerable when its about to attack.

They arent some mystical invincible force, the same goes for the freemasons, the surveillance state, the feds or the demon King himself. They are just memeing (in the original term of this word) their invincibility into all of the minds.
Nor is Israel or the powers to be in the us.

They fear for Heroes and for the "awakening". If they really were so superior and powerful they wouldn't have spend hundreds of years pumping out propaganda to keep us down. The very fact that we exist is proof of our Superiority. And they so desperately want it to be true that we are just fringe and not to be mentioned.

The narrative is slowly falling apart ever since 2014.

 

[Outer Heaven]

There is zero chance Israel falls like this. It's more likely that any group/country backing Hamas will be inevitably carpet bombed, slaughtered, and ultimately colonized for resources, be it by Israel for land or the US for oil.

It's not a false flag, BUT it is a perfect opportunity/justification for the elites to do a power grab. Short term: Israel gets billions to wage war; long term: Israel gets billions more to "rebuild" and "strengthen" itself, which is all far more important to US lawmakers than ANYTHING going on domestically.

Just look at how morally biased the media coverage of this whole excursion has been, they're already priming people for the justification of a brutal Israeli backlash. It's a negligent and deliberate mis-characterization of the Palestinian struggle through and through. Objectively looking at some of the Russian and Hamas tactics that are often criticized, it's the same shit the US/Israel did to foreign nations for decades.

Even if the public attention is diverted to Ukraine, the money will ultimately flow to Israel, as it always does.

The most disgusting part to me about this all is the uniformed extent to which every major politician has backed Israel without any nuance, any second guessing. Israel is the uniparty's bastard love child, they will never let it die even if it means sacrificing us all.

Spoiler: Hypothetical

Israel has nukes, if they were to annihilate Middle Eastern strongholds on their own accord, it'll be peak clown world watching all the elites who fear mongered and pre-emptively condemned Russia for considering this tactic try to 180 pivot and narratively frame such barbarism as a justified "good thing." The "international community" would watch and cheer it on.

The US isn't omnipotent. It's not the world police it once was. I agree with you that all sides in the states are influenced heavily by zionism but the American empire will not go down for Israel. Propping up Israel is a luxury only a lone power empire can afford and they'll have to cut their losses eventually as America itself begins to crumble. The same is true with Ukraine btw, they can't fund them forever either. The problem the US has now of all times is that the Arab countries around Israel arnt cooperating. Every single one of them except Lebanon was in America's pocket since at least the camp David accords and now they see themselves as strong enough to shake off US influence for their own geopolitical gain.

That's why I said you kind of have to follow things on the ground in Arabic. What the western news reports on in the Middle East is a fraction of a fraction of what actually goes on. It's only picked up when it becomes an obvious incident. Very few people in the west see the subtle interplay between elites in the gulf, Iran, Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon but literal normies follow it closely. Who makes statements and who doesn't, the specific wording used, who gets arrested and for what. All of this can tell you what the larger stance is in Arab countries and I can assure you rn they're not all I'm favor of Israel like they were 5 years ago. All this is to say it's not clear cut. Literally yesterday morning I was arguing with my uncle because he thought hezbollah would never join in a million years and then they did.

 

[georgemoody]

Speaking of Iran, economy's been slightly tanking here due to this conflict, with the US dollar exchange rate going over 50 thousand tomans (=500,000 IRR, toman is the de facto official currency). See here (beware of translation mishaps).

 

[50fent]

it just blows my mind that a citystate 12 miles long thats been constantly blockaded for 40 years somehow launches an invasion that breaches the iron dome all without military and intelligence service knowledge. i really fail to understand how hamas and hezbollah launches a full assault in 24 hours with little reaction

 

[Outer Heaven]

it just blows my mind that a citystate 12 miles long thats been constantly blockaded for 40 years somehow launches an invasion that breaches the iron dome all without military and intelligence service knowledge. i really fail to understand how hamas and hezbollah launches a full assault in 24 hours with little reaction

The answer is that theyre more well equipped and organized than people think and Israel is weaker than people think. Considering the lack of escalation over holy mosque incursions in the last few years, and the reformation of the Joint Operations Room, it seems this attack has been planned for ages and they were biding their time waiting for a chance when Israel was politically weakened. The immediate context people are missing is that Hamas has been stockpiling weapons and drawing joint plans with Hezbollah (and possibly Egypt), while the Israeli army is going on strike to protest the judicial reforms in Netenyahu was trying to push. The Palestinians are organized while the Israelis are divided.

 

[no_chill]

Israel is weaker than people think.

The jdf is used shooting at unarmed civilians or crushing down farmers. Not engaging in fights with actual trained and armed men. And I've seen many videos. It was as if they couldn't believe someones actually shooting back at them.

 

[Jade]

The jdf is used shooting at unarmed civilians or crushing down farmers. Not engaging in fights with actual trained and armed men. And I've seen many videos. It was as if they couldn't believe someones actually shooting back at them.

where can I find some of these videos? Also interested in the on the ground sources you mentioned earlier. Right now I'm relying mostly on Liveuamap

 

[SolidStateSurvivor]

where can I find some of these videos? Also interested in the on the ground sources you mentioned earlier. Right now I'm relying mostly on Liveuamap

I've seen some on Kiwifarms, they're good at debunking if it's old footage too. Telegram is probably your best bet but it'll be a time sink finding the proper groups.

 

[Pangolin]

was reading about the war in Isreal
looks like its spiraling out of control and the US is gonna try to bring a second carrier into the fight
but the problem is that all those unofficial militias and various terror groups have fancy anti-ship weapons and if a fancy boat gets struck the US is essentially at war
They timed it to where all the munitions in the west are at record lows due to trying to save ukraine.

Now the US has to pick which favorite child to save and its bad news for the Ukies. Isreal is America's favorite child and very heavily spoiled.
Its one massive trap that has been sprung and Isreal is in some trouble though I am not sure if they will prevail eventually. Most likely yes because the American uni-party is is lockstep to protect Isreal.

Allegedly the Isreal security services were warned of the invasion and decided to ignore it at a politically convenient time for their prime minster? president? So who really knows why or what. Maybe just a politically convenient excuse to wipe out Gaza with the support of the ""international community""(US and friends).

 

[SolidStateSurvivor]

but the problem is that all those unofficial militias and various terror groups have fancy anti-ship weapons and if a fancy boat gets struck the US is essentially at war

it's obvious bait with the hope that once attacked it gives "justification" to draw the US into a more heavily involved roll. hell wouldn't even be surprised if we get some USS Maine/USS Liberty-tier shenanigans, knowing full well tptb would cover it up.

 

[Pangolin]

it's obvious bait with the hope that once attacked it gives "justification" to draw the US into a more heavily involved roll. hell wouldn't even be surprised if we get some USS Maine/USS Liberty-tier shenanigans, knowing full well tptb would cover it up.

I am fully expecting something like that to happen. Waiting on it really. When it ends up happening and I'm right and get rewarded with a draft notice its gonna be a very bitter win just cause some past sell by date boomers cant figure out how to not have war.

 

[Jade]

I am fully expecting something like that to happen. Waiting on it really. When it ends up happening and I'm right and get rewarded with a draft notice its gonna be a very bitter win just cause some past sell by date boomers cant figure out how to not have war.

Another draft would be disastrous for the US internally
Even in the 70's it sparked massive riots, trying to do that again now would be insane

 

[SolidStateSurvivor]

Any word on if foreign nations are about to formally back up Hamas?

just cause some past sell by date boomers cant figure out how to not have war

it's not even that they don't know how to avoid the war, some seem to actively want this war, badly. combination of being psy-op'd so hard by pro-israeli narratives and the other being this resentment I see for younger generations "being too soft."

Another draft would be disastrous for the US internally
Even in the 70's it sparked massive riots, trying to do that again now would be insane

I still wonder if the US allowing unchecked illegal immigration was so they could tap these bodies first for a scenario like this. Serve in our war, come back alive, and you get legal citizenship asap.
TPTB would be retarded enough to try a draft though, they're so out of touch that they think they can get away with it, just look at their recent policies and priorities.
I legit don't know a single person eligible for the draft who would go and fight under these circumstances (obviously a little biased with who I know and where I am) but we all joke about how we're going to dodge that shit. For some it's simply the fear of dying a gruesome death, for others it's the ideological disposition towards being forced to serve some foreign nation/bankers just so they can perpetuate the elites pillaging a nation in visible decline, it's just war without any of the spoils for the people.
The military has alienated the working class white men they traditionally relied on to fill their ranks. And at this point I'm starting to question if a false flag would even work to rally people, I think people are really aware of this tactic after 9/11. (It doesn't even matter if 9/11 was truly a false flag, the idea has become like a silently accepted fact by now.) I was seeing so many tower 7 and other based jokes on the comment sections of these Israel/Palestine war reports, it's a mentality I've observed really take off since 2020.

 

[no_chill]

where can I find some of these videos? Also interested in the on the ground sources you mentioned earlier. Right now I'm relying mostly on Liveuamap

/pol/ or kaotic.com (its the new liveleak)

 

[Outer Heaven]

Any word on if foreign nations are about to formally back up Hamas?

Lebanon, who's defacto military is Hezbollah, have been firing rockets at Israel daily now but havent officially invaded from the North. Iran, Iraq, Qatar, Syria, and Afghanistan are all openly pro Hamas. Syria and Iran have sent troops to Lebanon and actively support Hamas, Iraq threatened US military bases in Iraq should a ground invasion of Gaza take place, the Taliban asked all countries in between them and Palestine to grant them safe passage to fight, and Qatar has not openly funded Hamas but is the most vocal voice for them on the Arab side. This conflict will escalate to involve everyone.

where can I find some of these videos? Also interested in the on the ground sources you mentioned earlier. Right now I'm relying mostly on Liveuamap

Telegram. Here are some links:

Lebanese News and Updates

Covering Lebanon and occasionally MENA's conflicts. Appeal a ban: @requestsmth ⋯

t.me

The Mediterranean Man

Sometimes I report news, and sometimes I just talk. @TheMediterraneanMan Owner is : @MedManTG

t.me

War Monitor

You can view and join @warmonitors right away.

t.me

Middle East Spectator

News & Analysis covering the Middle East Independent, but not unbiased, striving for a multipolar world. Mainly focused on Iran & Resistance Axis. Introduction: https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/4 Twitter: https://x.com/spectator_mena?s=21&t=-X9TBZNZ

t.me

Keep in mind these sources are mostly pro Palestine, though they do cover attacks and escalation from both sides.

 

[Pangolin]

I would sign up just to duck with the war effort via my laziness and incompetence. With my talents I'll end up general of the armies before war's end.

 

[Pangolin]

Palestine and Israel news today on map - Jerusalem today - Israel News today - Palestine News today - israelpalestine.liveuamap.com

Israeli-Palestine conflict in live news interactive map. Two-state solution. Capital in Jerusalem

israelpalestine.liveuamap.com

War map

 

[deepfreeze]

So far this just seems like another day in the eternal Middle East clusterfuck. But it is nice to see the so-called "progressives" unmask themselves en masse on social media as deranged losers with genocidal revenge fantasies.