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[punishedgnome]

KF to me just feels like a more autistic, less self-aware ED, hence the meme I posted previously.
Speaking of which, ED has a page on Null, which I think KF users would find very...interesting.

Were is the official version of ED these days? I know it's changed hands a couple times.

 

[mydadiscar]

Were is the official version of ED these days? I know it's changed hands a couple times.

encyclopediadramatica.online

 

[Collision]

He has talked about this before on his podcast. Most of his income is from recurring donations to him personally, plus a little bit from contracting on the side.

So KF being down doesn't change his income right now, the longer it goes on those donations might start to dry up. It was also the reason he didn't want it Tor-only. A fully darknet KF would be much harder to grow his sponsors.

This explains why he seems so chill with downtime. If KF was advertising supported or had a membership fee he'd be scrambling to get it back up ASAP because otherwise his income would go to zero.

I have to say, I find this a bit nonsensical. Null's income may come from donations to him personally but there's no way that those donations are unrelated to Kiwifarms. The only reason to give him money is because you like Kiwifarms and want it to continue to operate. This is also, as you say, why he doesn't want Kiwifarms to only be available through Tor. He may not be getting the money directly from revenue through Kiwifarms itself but it is his primary source of income.

Additionally, this brings up another question. Does Kiwifarms have a regular revenue stream that isn't recurring personal donations to Null? I know that Null operates an LLC. Does Null's LLC actually make any money outside of personal donations to him? Are the donations made to him or to the LLC? Is there any meaningful separation between LLC funds and Null's personal funds?

 

[punishedgnome]

I have to say, I find this a bit nonsensical. Null's income may come from donations to him personally but there's no way that those donations are unrelated to Kiwifarms. The only reason to give him money is because you like Kiwifarms and want it to continue to operate. This is also, as you say, why he doesn't want Kiwifarms to only be available through Tor. He may not be getting the money directly from revenue through Kiwifarms itself but it is his primary source of income.

Additionally, this brings up another question. Does Kiwifarms have a regular revenue stream that isn't recurring personal donations to Null? I know that Null operates an LLC. Does Null's LLC actually make any money outside of personal donations to him? Are the donations made to him or to the LLC? Is there any meaningful separation between LLC funds and Null's personal funds?

He does do a weekly stream as well. No idea how popular it is.

 

[wearyinternettraveler]

I am woke on the JQ (Josh Question), he's my favorite lolcow. He has an unassailable, autism fueled tenacity to keep his humble farm up and running no matter what comes his way.

In my opinion maybe they should've fragmented. Using the hydra strategy to keep their enemies tied up in trying to take down multiple sites.

He's said in the past that his advice to people who want to make KF 2.0 is to not bother and to make separate sites for different cows. Champthom (the original Kiwifarms owner) was against moving the site's focus away from Chris because he knew the problems it would cause. However, Joshua (Hebrew: יְהוֹשֻׁעַ‎ Yəhōšuaʿ, Tiberian: Yŏhōšuaʿ, lit. 'Yahweh is salvation') doesn't allow splinters as KF acts as his personal troll shield. If he lost his monopoly on lolcows, his dirty laundry would be aired. That being said, I think he's a complex figure and he can be insightful when he wants to be. I'd never want to meet him though and he has burned more bridges than anyone else I've ever seen.

 

[Collision]

He does do a weekly stream as well. No idea how popular it is.

His May 5th stream has around 34,000 views. It's nothing to turn your nose up at but is it a serious source of income? I can't say. Also, is the viewership of MATI really separate from Kiwifarms?

 

[Pink Fluffy Cat]

His May 5th stream has around 34,000 views. It's nothing to turn your nose up at but is it a serious source of income? I can't say. Also, is the viewership of MATI really separate from Kiwifarms?

"da ebil troons r persecuting me because me support freeze speeches, plz gib monie"

 

[remember_summer_days]

If Kiwi is too autistic to discuss lolcows, what an alternative? The issue with the farm is that it seems the only community to seriously discuss lolcows (outside dedicated forums like the cwcki)

 

[remember_summer_days]

If Null is really a pedo like the ED page says, then yeah dude deserves to go to jail and be castrated. But the point of this thread shouldn't be to entertain or disregard Null. Whatever crimes or lolcowdom he has engaged has little to do with wherever the Kiwi's are worth preserving.

 

[remember_summer_days]

I used to be a big fan of places like Kiwifarms or ED (Though it still depends on what side of the bed I get up on), but nowadays they just reek of nihilism and calls for help disguised as nihilism. It makes me wonder if those places are worth preserving as a piece on a museum. I've got these contradictory intuitions that people should congregate about whatever they and that degeneracy/nihilism shouldn't be promoted. Ultimately, the sort of compromise I find is that these sites should exist as hard-to-find websites. Kind of like how ED and Kiwis are right now tbh.

Null's narrative that this is all for Free Speech is starting to feel cringe. It reminds of the stories I've heard of porn produces screaming Free Speech rigths. Really, you sincerily think thats why you're doing porn? Because of Free Speech?

 

[WALFTEAM]

KF is a weird experience really, lots of people (including me admittedly) enjoy messing around on KF but hate the jannies, the rules, and fragile retards who would cry for jannies because you give them too much negative stickers.

hilarious if true because this is not too different from what people say something awful was like at the beginning of it's downfall

i imagine the next generation of high-value woke hellposters are going to be ex-kf and given how much damage has been caused by ex-fyad/b/ed/gnaa alumni in the last 10 years the future is looking white phosphorus nuclear flash bright

 

[WALFTEAM]

also friendly reminder that ED was at the very least a hobby project of people within the intelligence community, and possibly an intelligence operation in and of itself:

View: https://twitter.com/cuttlefish_btc/status/820368161048555520


I mean, nobody really figured this out at the time, and this opinion is considered somewhat fringe even now, but given everything that has happened with imageboards I personally find it believable.

the entire chris-chan phenomenon is straight-up a classic 60s CIA mind-control brainwashing experiment, with the internet replacing hallucinogenic drugs as the tech involved.

Given null's origins as part of the extremely glowy and sus 8chan team, you have to wonder to what extent he's being propped up. It doesn't take much bitcoin to live in Serbia, I am well aware of this, but the entire nature of crowfunding and cryptocurrency means that it's very easy for money to be completely opaquely moved around to people who are of interest to tptb.

 

[wearyinternettraveler]

It makes me wonder if those places are worth preserving as a piece on a museum.

I think as a piece of Internet history Kiwifarms should be archived, but at this point it should be put down like a sick dog. Kiwifarms has gone way downhill. I think right wing nutjobs are the cancer killing KF. Null says KF is politically neutral but it's just not the case. He streams are almost always about weirdo trannies and jews these days which is his prerogative, but that kind of talk from a website ooperator courts a specific kind of clientele, which he then gets mad at when the Secret Service comes knocking about a user threatening to go on a rampage in DC (true story).

the entire chris-chan phenomenon is straight-up a classic 60s CIA mind-control brainwashing experiment, with the internet replacing hallucinogenic drugs as the tech involved.

Cows like CWC were a product of their time; if CWC was discovered today he'd be gross twitter tranny #9324239482309 and his thread would be 3 pages long.

 

[WALFTEAM]

I would say that the Chris-Chan phenomenon initially seems unique because of how much of a break it was compared to how the internet was before, but it's more of a prototype for a less flamboyant and more insidious form of stalksession that would follow. The whole Internet Main Character phenomenon owes a lot to the CWCiki.

I don't think about Chris-Chan himself so much as the literally thousands of people who indirectly interact with him online by maintaining the mythos and cultural phenomenon that surrounds him, and the select group of absolutely insanely sus people who do directly interact with him and have successfully been able to manipulate his behavior and living situation like some kind of satanic Truman Show. There's a whole population of people in this country who could easily have been made into something exactly like him.

 

[Pink Fluffy Cat]

hilarious if true because this is not too different from what people say something awful was like at the beginning of it's downfall

It is, one of my friend back in there was banned because she gave too much meanie stickers to alt-right keyboard politicians. Of course the rules only apply to regular users, joshy's cliques are exempted from it and can break whatever the rule they want as long as joshy allows it.

 

[Guru Meditation]

I have to say, I find this a bit nonsensical. Null's income may come from donations to him personally but there's no way that those donations are unrelated to Kiwifarms.

He does do a weekly stream as well. No idea how popular it is.

Mad at the Internet and his other video game streams seems to be his main source of income through superchats and Gumroad patrons. He's been very careful never to associate MATI with the KiwiFarms outside of the streams.

Make me think he's taking the Lowtax path of putting as little effort as possible into the website and focusing on his personal streaming.

 

[WALFTEAM]

I was about to say that if you're like me and don't like clicking on kf but occasionally want to see more frequent updates on what's going on with it from a somewhat less hysterical perspective than the "mainstream" you can check out the relevant thread on lolcow.farm (it's less deadly femcel-run alternative), but it seems to be down right now.

It's been back up for a while and in tune with their track record the current thread is equal parts dumb bullshit and useful information.

The thread prior to the current one has this interesting series of bizarre posts from Null detailing one aspect of his legal and procedural maneuvering and it sticks in my head for whatever reason:

Is this what his day to day life is like? Just endless weird shit like this? An earlier post mentioned "bloomberg journos" digging through his attorney's dumpster. Who's his lawyer again? Is it that Rekieta guy or is it someone else? Is he paying for this lawyer or is it some RW guy going pro bono? Guy's money management challenges go way beyond "lol serbian cost of living"/"lol monthly hosting" as you can see.

Before this he goes silverbug and asks his paypigs to mail him actual vintage coins:

It's even odder behavior than usual from the guy for sure and I'm going to be wondering what's up with it longer than I should.

 

[Collision]

Make me think he's taking the Lowtax path of putting as little effort as possible into the website and focusing on his personal streaming.

On this, at least, we can agree. Though, I'm still skeptical that Null's popularity really extends beyond Kiwifarms. I don't think Lowtax's popularity actually extended beyond SomethingAwful either. Lowtax's streaming success couldn't even be propped up by his more successful peers (e.g., Slowbeef).

Who's his lawyer again? Is it that Rekieta guy or is it someone else?

I don't think Rekieta is Null's lawyer. Rekieta, as far as I know, only does his talk show now and doesn't actively take cases. Also, despite being a sex weirdo, I think Rekieta would give Null better advice than he seems to actually operate under.

 

[Some_porcupine]

I think as a piece of Internet history Kiwifarms should be archived, but at this point it should be put down like a sick dog. Kiwifarms has gone way downhill. I think right wing nutjobs are the cancer killing KF. Null says KF is politically neutral but it's just not the case. He streams are almost always about weirdo trannies and jews these days which is his prerogative, but that kind of talk from a website ooperator courts a specific kind of clientele, which he then gets mad at when the Secret Service comes knocking about a user threatening to go on a rampage in DC (true story).


Cows like CWC were a product of their time; if CWC was discovered today he'd be gross twitter tranny #9324239482309 and his thread would be 3 pages long.

delete names, anonymize/randomize the stories (storylines/context) and make mirror for social studies.
i mean, only people with access could read full stories, but others only "scripts"...

 

[Some_porcupine]

also friendly reminder that ED was at the very least a hobby project of people within the intelligence community, and possibly an intelligence operation in and of itself:

View: https://twitter.com/cuttlefish_btc/status/820368161048555520

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View: https://twitter.com/cuttlefish_btc/status/820431450835210241?s=20
... ironic XD - https://forum.agoraroad.com/index.php?members/雨、some_porcupine、-逃げ出した後.5424/#badges
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View: https://twitter.com/cuttlefish_btc/status/820503780638736384?s=20