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Let's talk about Circumcision

RustedZaku

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Whether or not if you think the practice is highly unethical or of no concern, and that it's just a nugatory problem people get upset about just to hate on women is of no concern. This is where I begin to really hate how "Incel" has been popularized as a slanderous term, I don't hate women, nor do I think any violent or discriminatory actions should be condoned and condemned in any society(female genital mutilation is just as bad in my honest opinion), but out of all the very weird and apprehensive things I have noticed in modern day society, people will actively decry female genital mutilation in 3rd world countries; seeing it as a sign of a patriarchal and anachronistic society that cannot fit in with the championed norms of democracy, social progress, and the ability to choose for your own self. Secondly, I don't consider myself a men's rights activists, but out of all the practices still conducted by the medical industry, it seems like the one first engineered by a Mormon; which is ironic enough, who thought that masturbation was a grave mortal sin. Many people will argue that phimosis and paraphimosis are the main reasons as to why young boys should be circumcised, but these conditions from what I've read or have knowledge about, can be prevented by hygienic practices that should be taught by the parents.



"In most cases, these penis disorders are easy to prevent. The head and the foreskin need to be washed and dried regularly. Be gentle with the skin if you pull it back, and don't forget to put it back in place when you finish."

"Phimosis without any symptoms does not require treatment. This is especially true in children. If a boy does not outgrow phimosis or there are problems with urination or hygiene, treatment with certain medicated creams, such as hydrocortisone, may be effective."
"In most men, phimosis is not a serious problem and will not require treatment. However, it is not expected to improve on its own."
"In some older boys and men with phimosis, good hygiene and prompt treatment of infections may be all that is needed to prevent problems. In other men, persistent symptoms occur, and corrective surgery (circumcision) needs to be performed."




"In this conservative (non-surgical) treatment approach, a steroid cream is applied to the tip of the foreskin twice a day over a period of four to eight weeks. The steroid cream makes it easier to stretch the skin."


Circumcision has been around for a profuse amount of time, going back to ancient antiquity. However, the recent industry we see in America was first started by a man named John Harvey Kellogg: someone who's more associated with cereal than an actual medical practice. I may not have a background in surgery, biology, but the reason why Kellogg heavily prompted circumcision to be a widely accepted practice was due to the fact that he believed it may reduce the likelihood of masturbation in adolescent males. During the 18th and 19th century, it was considered to be a scientific and objective fact among the academic and medical community that masturbation may lead to numerous detrimental side-effects, such as fatigue, loss of eye sight, blindness, and more weirdly enough, sudden death. Treatments like the electric alarum and even clioridectomy were among the recommended treatments, with the latter involving the removal of the clitoris as recommended by some Victorian doctors around that time. I find it peculiarly disturbing that, after all this time, where questioning a practice thought of by men who would be abhorrent to the modern day societies values of gender equality, ethnic diversity, and tolerance for other groups, is met by scorn, ridicule, and even a loss of credibility among your medical peers if you even so much as question the practice. Other people will say that circumcision somehow prevents HIV and AIDS rates, but I am incredibly skeptical about how these studies were carried out.

(Yes I know. V*ce article, but it does contain some relatively good information about how and why this is a thing to begin with and could be a good starting point.)
"Baby foreskins have been of interest to doctors since the 19th century; Dr. Peter Charles Remondino wrote in 1891 text The History of Circumcision, "For skin-transplanting there is nothing superior to the plants offered by the prepuce of a boy." Stem cells are pretty common in the cosmetic industry, but they're usually derived from plants, not penises. The idea behind the more contemporary use of foreskin fibroblasts in skincare is that they're thought to secrete large amounts of human growth factor proteins, which stimulate cell regeneration and collagen production, making the skin appear younger."


Another reason as to why I do not trust the current medical establishment over the nature of circumcision, is that foreskin is an ingredient in some anti-aging topical ointments marketed and pushed heavily towards rich, primarily affluent women, but it is also used in the promotion of stem cell research to help expedite the testing and development of new drugs. This makes me believe, that on a much larger scale, these industries are colluding and intimidating others to make sure certain inquiries aren't made into the possible side-effects of people affected by circumcision as a child grows up. Therefore, there is a huge and profitable sector of the medical industry that wants to continue the operation of circumcision within America and in other parts of the world. Even now, countries like Finland are being accused of being anti-semitic and discriminatory against Jews and Muslims, who are the two major religious/ethnic groups in the entire world that practice circumcision. I'd like to have some information or here some discussion about the nature of circumcision, but as for my opinion about it, I am firmly against it and don't see a reason why anyone should be subjected to it.
 

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What's really crazy is how little people care about this strange little cultural thing that circumcision is. Dudes just accept their dicks got snipped and women will do it to their sons because "it looks nice". There's a decent focus on women keeping their vaginas clean but its unfathomable that you should teach a boy to keep his foreskin clean. People have more opinions about football than they do about their kid's health. Robbing them of the experience of pinching their foreskin closed and peeing to inflate it.
The medical industry I think is just finding a way to profit off of it, I don't think they're exactly responsible for it or are even lobbying to keep it standard practice or anything.
 

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I really feel sorry for Americans with this one. Circumcision is what the Jew does to you to solidify the american position of servants to the jews. It's an humiliation ritual.
 
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Ah yes. Yet another reason I hate this gay country. If I have a son and the doctor even asks about if we want it done, I'll probably throttle him on the spot. I'm genuinely upset about this one. Its like if someone gave you a tattoo or stretched your earlobes without your consent.
 
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What's really crazy is how little people care about this strange little cultural thing that circumcision is. Dudes just accept their dicks got snipped and women will do it to their sons because "it looks nice". There's a decent focus on women keeping their vaginas clean but its unfathomable that you should teach a boy to keep his foreskin clean. People have more opinions about football than they do about their kid's health. Robbing them of the experience of pinching their foreskin closed and peeing to inflate it.
The medical industry I think is just finding a way to profit off of it, I don't think they're exactly responsible for it or are even lobbying to keep it standard practice or anything.
Any of kind questioning or investigation as to whether or not if it's beneficial will be met with derision, mockery, and prevention from all of the major medical and pharmaceutical companies who need infant foreskins for scientific ventures and functions. There was a Canadian doctor, whose name I probably forgot, that did his own private investigation into the potential harm circumcision can do to a child's brain as it develops. I should probably do more research on the subject, but I don't like how criticizing the practice is considered to be both jew-hating and women-hating at the same time.
 

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Any of kind questioning or investigation as to whether or not if it's beneficial will be met with derision, mockery, and prevention from all of the major medical and pharmaceutical companies who need infant foreskins for scientific ventures and functions. There was a Canadian doctor, whose name I probably forgot, that did his own private investigation into the potential harm circumcision can do to a child's brain as it develops. I should probably do more research on the subject, but I don't like how criticizing the practice is considered to be both jew-hating and women-hating at the same time.
There was an infographic about that. Would this happen to be what you're referring to?
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There was an infographic about that. Would this happen to be what you're referring to?
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Exactly this one. When I looked up Paul D. Tinari's name on the internet, I was greeted with some sites and organizations who claimed his research methods and conduction of the study was fraudulent, despite the fact he was forcibly circumcised. It seems like there's a prodigious concentration of pro-circumcision groups on the internet that claim the "intactivist's" are some kind of ant-semitic hate-group. It's obvious the man has been extremely traumatized given how this happened when he was a young boy, rather than an infant, in which many pro-circumcision say that those who have received a circumcision are exacerbating the effects of.
 

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There was an infographic about that. Would this happen to be what you're referring to?
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As much as I disagree with circumcision for infants. This kind of sounds like BS to me. Like back a few years ago when there were /pol/ users going around spreading the idea that getting your wisdom teeth pulled somehow damaged your brain, they'd slap the names of a few doctors on the shitty infographic they made in Kapwing and cite some obscure study with like 5 participants and call it a day. its just meant to scare gullible people. With circumcision the issue is more just a matter of consent, the foreskin itself really is just a piece of skin that keeps your tip a bit moister, if its that big of a deal you can just use more lube ig or they have methods now of stretching the skin where you can kinda get it back. There isn't anything anatomically that would cause "permanent changes to the brain". If these changes are perhaps caused by trauma from having surgery, then they would have also looked at the brains of infants who had amputations and other much much more serious surgeries performed.
 
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As much as I disagree with circumcision for infants. This kind of sounds like BS to me. Like back a few years ago when there were /pol/ users going around spreading the idea that getting your wisdom teeth pulled somehow damaged your brain, they'd slap the names of a few doctors on the shitty infographic they made in Kapwing and cite some obscure study with like 5 participants and call it a day. its just meant to scare gullible people. With circumcision the issue is more just a matter of consent, the foreskin itself really is just a piece of skin that keeps your tip a bit moister, if its that big of a deal you can just use more lube ig or they have methods now of stretching the skin where you can kinda get it back. There isn't anything anatomically that would cause "permanent changes to the brain". If these changes are perhaps caused by trauma from having surgery, then they would have also looked at the brains of infants who had amputations and other much much more serious surgeries performed.
There is a number of important organs and nerves connected to the foreskin. Removing the foreskin is the equivalent to losing muscle mass, so I wouldn't doubt that there could be soome neurological changes to those who have underwent circumcision. I do agree that /pol/ is not a reliable source of information and they are prone to just wanting to lash out at x or y group, while ignoring other parts of why civilization is such a massive clown world.
 

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There is a number of important organs and nerves connected to the foreskin. Removing the foreskin is the equivalent to losing muscle mass, so I wouldn't doubt that there could be soome neurological changes to those who have underwent circumcision. I do agree that /pol/ is not a reliable source of information and they are prone to just wanting to lash out at x or y group, while ignoring other parts of why civilization is such a massive clown world.
I approve of your crusade against circumcision, and am open to the idea that a massive nervous shock inflicted by surgery without anaesthesia shortly after birth does lasting harm, but I don't think this neurological part is necessary. One should not have to come up with hard and novel scientific cases against near-mandatory genital mutilation at birth. The case is that we're born that way and obviously meant to be that way. The case is that Americans are sick and retarded and the procedure is very obviously wrong if you force yourself to look at what's going on. You should tell anybody who won't advance a novel case for continuing this absurdly wrong practice to go fuck themselves. And since all of the cases they have are bad tell them to fuck themselves anyway.
 
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So glad I'm not circumcised, what a strange ritual that might have gotten your male offsprings infected in those days...
On the other hand, I had some minor infections with my DING-DONG when I was a kid -- parasites, you are welcome -- the doc cleaned them out and told me to wash myself down there each time I shower. It's now habitual and ain't no infection no more.
Why cut the foreskin off when all you have to do is to tell your sons to wash themselves; is it too embarassing? I can only think of divine intervetion for the advent of such a practice -- it's inconceivable to me how supposedly self-preserving human beings came to this conlusion.
 

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Everyone's talking about circumcision for no reason, the American reason. People also get circumsised for several health problems related to their genitals. I am one of them, I had no choice.
 
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Not cutting parts of my peepee off to satisfy some probably made up half of a book.

The only legitimate part of the bible is the New Testament.
 
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Circumcision should be treated as harshly as FGM but it's not just cause America likes it so much lol. Probably explains something about the fucked psyches of American men.
 
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