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It's surprising how few threads are about this, and given the spooky season I think it's time we did. I suppose I could make some questions.
In what way does magick exist to you?
Have you done any cool rituals?
If you have some demon/deity, talk about them!
I'll start. I think magick exists in the sense that belief is a core principle of reality and you can do wacky stuff with it. I like to do the LBRP and I tried to summon a goddess I crushed on this weekend; she didn't show up but at least she blessed me in other ways.
 

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I have been very interested in Magick recently. I'd love to be able to practice some day.
Something that has helped me is "the psychonauts field manual", it's a comic for beginners. :)
Which goddess did you summon OP? and how did she bless you? or am i missing out on some innuendo there lol
 
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I don't particularly believe in "magic", I think most magic has an explanation and is not actually magic at all. I think rituals build expectations for results, no matter the outcome. there is a sort of excitement and nervousness that comes with certain things that will make you quick to connect goals to outcomes even if you met like 5% of your original goal.

True magic to me lies within the brain, delusions in of themselves seem rather magical to me. I know a lot of lucid dreaming, meditation, tulpas, and sleep paralysis to say that they definitely seem magical from an outsider perspective even though they are not, and can be chalked up to neurons firing off. A lot of people who know nothing of these practices hype them up to being more magical than they actually are, lucid dreaming is hard very hard really, there are constant hurdles to over come with a collection of skills to practice.
skill 1 recall, keeping a dream journal to remember your dreams
skill 2 initiating the lucid dream (there are tons of ways to do this, all require practice and commitment)
skill 3 confidence. dreams channel your subconscious, should you doubt you can do a thing or become scared your dream will reflect that. think back to having dreams where you feel like your punches are soft or underwater. that is a common dream.
skill 4 utilization of all senses. to ground yourself in a lucid dream you must ground yourself in the dream by using you senses, I personally touch and smell flowers. this makes the dream become more real feeling and removes that fog that you feel in a dream.
anyways, these skills take a lot of effort, to outsiders there is a preconceived notion that it will just happen on its own should they keep a dream journal. with sleep paralysis people thought there was something demonic about it, or evil when really it is you dreaming with your eyes open, feeling fear brings that fear to life with you subconscious running rampant.
there are misconception about tulpas being magical as well, people seem to believe they are awful for you or that it is demon summoning in some way when really at its core it is training yourself to think from another perspective. No you are not going to summon a big tiddy mommy goth waifu who is going to kill you but what you can do is summon a piece of you who has better perspective how you feel your goals, how to accomplish them, and what to do. to me it is no different from talking to a dream character in waking life. if the brain can create complete personalities that act freely within my dreams why can I not do it in my waking life? people think it so magical that it is evil but that again is the brain allowing intrusive thoughts to run wild due to misinformation on the internet (creepy pastas and such) the practice is usually therapeutic in nature and opens up many doors to other forms of meditations. yet even tullpas require many practices of different mental skills depending on the results you want.
Even the method of loci seems magical in a way but it is utilizing the power of the brain to improve memory.

anyways, magic is based on perspective and different for everyone. that is why magicians don't reveal their secrets

If you want more information on either of these topics in greater detail feel free to ask.
 
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I dabbled in spiritual/pagan type magick for a while. I only ever did one "ritual" or "spell" or whatever you want to call it. i wished bad luck on my stalker and he was diagnosed with a brain tumor shortly after. haven't really tried anything since then because it rattled me. i know it was probably just a really freaky coincidence but i cant help but wonder.
 
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I think for most people who claim to practice it it's a silly but mostly harmless affectation, but I don't discount it entirely. I always liked Gene Wolfe's description of it in The Sword of the Lictor, that even when it is "real" it is a solipsistic, contrarian, pointlessly esoteric form of power that can only really harm those who believe in it and give themselves over to it, and is useless in the face of more robust and straightforward religious belief
He said, "That man really was magic, wasn't he? He almost magicked you." I nodded. "You said it wasn't real."
"In some ways, little Severian, I am not much wiser than you. I didn't think it was. I had seen so much fakery—the secret door into the underground room where they kept me, and the way they 'made you appear under the other man's robe. Still, there are dark things everywhere, and I suppose that those who look hard enough for them cannot help but find some. Then they become, as you said, real magicians." "They could tell everybody what to do, if they know real magic." I only shook my head to that, but I have thought much about it since. It seems to me there are two objections to the boy's idea, though expressed in a more mature form it must appear more convincing. The first is that so little knowledge is passed from one generation to the next by the magicians. My own training was in what may be called the most fundamental of the applied sciences; and I know from it that the progress of science depends much less upon either theoretical considerations or systematic investigation than is commonly believed, but rather on the transmittal of reliable information, gained by chance or insight, from one set of men to their successors. The nature of those who hunt after dark knowledge is to hoard it even in death, or to transmit it so wrapped in disguise and beclouded with self-serving lies that it is of little value. At times, one hears of those who teach their lovers well, or their children; but it is the nature of such people seldom to have either, and it may be that their art is weakened when they do. The second is that the very existence of such powers argues a counterforce. We call powers of the first kind dark, though they may use a species of deadly light as Decuman did; and we call those of the second kind bright, though I think that they may at times employ darkness, as a good man nevertheless draws the curtains of his bed to sleep. Yet there is truth to the talk of darkness and light, because it shows plainly that one implies the other. The tale I read to little Severian said that the universe was but a long word of the Increate's. We, then, are the syllables of that word. But the speaking of any word is futile unless there are other words, words that are not spoken. If a beast has but one cry, the cry tells nothing; and even the wind has a multitude of voices, so that those who sit indoors may hear it and know if the weather is tumultuous or mild. The powers we call dark seem to me to be the words the Increate did not speak, if the Increate exists at all; and these words must be maintained in a quasi-existence, if the other word, the word spoken, is to be distinguished. What is not said can be important—but what is said is more important. Thus my very knowledge of the existence of the Claw was almost sufficient to counter Decuman's spell. And if the seekers after dark things find them, may not the seekers after bright find them as well? And are they not more apt to hand their wisdom on?
 
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ive done it a couple times.

its a very difficult thing to nail down and tell the good from the bad

ive manifested myself a box of money once and a job another time. also a while ago, i was going through a very prolific period and was doing like, an album of music a month and that started when I dabbled a bit in it. i bought a new guitar and painted a bunch of musical sigils on it and suddenly songs just started pouring out of it. the guitar became like a battery though and after some time, the guitar became hard to play and it was getting very hard to come up with ideas on it....so that guitar now sits in a case, kind of a relic now.

its good stuff, i like it, but it takes a lot out of me, i usually have to do acid to get it to work.
 

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Cheers, you beat me to it making this thread. Would've done so myself if I wasn't preoccupied with work :p.

For anyone interesting in falling down the rabbit hole, here are a few resources to get some solid ground:

Frater K's MEGA Library, a good well-rounded library that contains books on pretty much every movement in Western Esotericism and some Eastern practices as well. A torrent of his archive circa 2014 can be found here.

The Eye, a public repo/archive of books. Temporarily down as of writing, but will be back up soon.

/div/ links, for those interested in dinivation.

A good starting guide? Read the religious texts of all 3 Abrahamic faiths, and then their offshoots (Gnosticism, Kabbalah, etc.) Educate yourself on prominent groups like Thelema, not necessarily to follow their footsteps but understand where they came from. The rest is up to you, the major guiding philosophy is that you need to do your own research and self-discovery.

Avoid Wiccans if you can, they're too infested with Tumblr trannies. Reading their pre-dot com boom work is fine, however.
 

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Is Tarot divination considered as magick?

If so i'm a fucking wizard
 
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I have been very interested in Magick recently. I'd love to be able to practice some day.
Something that has helped me is "the psychonauts field manual", it's a comic for beginners. :)
Which goddess did you summon OP? and how did she bless you? or am i missing out on some innuendo there lol
I tried to summon Ataecina, the cthonic iberian goddess surrounded by goats, goddess of war, love and seafaring amongst other things. She blessed me by making it so I got to sleep in a tent with a girl that I got on with pretty well and the odds of that cascade of events was pretty low. also I like that goddess because she's far more responsive than astarte and I feel a good connection with her, and she has given me inspiration to write stuff.
Is Tarot divination considered as magick?

If so i'm a fucking wizard
Yeah sure I do tarot too, that's divination so that's magick so yer a wizard
Cheers, you beat me to it making this thread. Would've done so myself if I wasn't preoccupied with work :p.

For anyone interesting in falling down the rabbit hole, here are a few resources to get some solid ground:

Frater K's MEGA Library, a good well-rounded library that contains books on pretty much every movement in Western Esotericism and some Eastern practices as well. A torrent of his archive circa 2014 can be found here.

The Eye, a public repo/archive of books. Temporarily down as of writing, but will be back up soon.

/div/ links, for those interested in dinivation.

A good starting guide? Read the religious texts of all 3 Abrahamic faiths, and then their offshoots (Gnosticism, Kabbalah, etc.) Educate yourself on prominent groups like Thelema, not necessarily to follow their footsteps but understand where they came from. The rest is up to you, the major guiding philosophy is that you need to do your own research and self-discovery.

Avoid Wiccans if you can, they're too infested with Tumblr trannies. Reading their pre-dot com boom work is fine, however.
also thanks for those links! I didn't know about them and i'm sure they will be helpful in the future
 
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I've dabbled in the occult since I was a teenager, just did some very basic stuff like sigil work. Got started through the book 'Liber Null' by Peter Carroll. I've always been interested in all things related to the occult, however I genuinely am not sure how much I can believe. The one time I did do work I think it may have worked too well, but I'm not sure honestly, I'd need more profound experiences before I could fully believe.
That being said, I am not really willing to practice it again (love to read about it though!) as I am a little worried about dabbling in it again!
 
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Magick is all mental. Studies have shown that participating in or believing in ritualized or scheduled systems makes you more prone to both experience the things you work towards or manifest into reality the things you aim for. Its the same idea behind the self-fulfilling prophecy. Essentially, Magicks work on the same basis as a placebo.

That is why I spend time worshipping the Ancient Roman gods/goddesses and follow a good portion of their rituals, just updated for a more modern situation. They believed that religion was a contract between the people and the gods/goddesses, much more of a lawful endeavor than an occult one.

I regularly spend time making offerings to Vesta around our hearth, in which we keep a small flame constantly burning (we make the fire more robust for big events), as well as hanging contracts and making prayers. I find it both motivating for the mind and my sense of existence in the universe. It almost exudes a righteous confidence over me that I can carry into my daily tasks (not so much in a vain way, but in a way that makes me feel I am capable of achieving anything I put my mind to).

To me, the gods and goddesses represent portions of our own reality and by breaking them into their own entities, allows us to focus on specific aspects of our life and, by viewing our traits as that of another person, can help us feel less ashamed to confront our negativities and more likely to find positive answers to the struggles we face.
 
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Magick is all mental. Studies have shown that participating in or believing in ritualized or scheduled systems makes you more prone to both experience the things you work towards or manifest into reality the things you aim for. Its the same idea behind the self-fulfilling prophecy. Essentially, Magicks work on the same basis as a placebo.

That is why I spend time worshipping the Ancient Roman gods/goddesses and follow a good portion of their rituals, just updated for a more modern situation. They believed that religion was a contract between the people and the gods/goddesses, much more of a lawful endeavor than an occult one.

I regularly spend time making offerings to Vesta around our hearth, in which we keep a small flame constantly burning (we make the fire more robust for big events), as well as hanging contracts and making prayers. I find it both motivating for the mind and my sense of existence in the universe. It almost exudes a righteous confidence over me that I can carry into my daily tasks (not so much in a vain way, but in a way that makes me feel I am capable of achieving anything I put my mind to).

To me, the gods and goddesses represent portions of our own reality and by breaking them into their own entities, allows us to focus on specific aspects of our life and, by viewing our traits as that of another person, can help us feel less ashamed to confront our negativities and more likely to find positive answers to the struggles we face.
Based?
 

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Magick is all mental. Studies have shown that participating in or believing in ritualized or scheduled systems makes you more prone to both experience the things you work towards or manifest into reality the things you aim for. Its the same idea behind the self-fulfilling prophecy. Essentially, Magicks work on the same basis as a placebo.

That is why I spend time worshipping the Ancient Roman gods/goddesses and follow a good portion of their rituals, just updated for a more modern situation. They believed that religion was a contract between the people and the gods/goddesses, much more of a lawful endeavor than an occult one.

I regularly spend time making offerings to Vesta around our hearth, in which we keep a small flame constantly burning (we make the fire more robust for big events), as well as hanging contracts and making prayers. I find it both motivating for the mind and my sense of existence in the universe. It almost exudes a righteous confidence over me that I can carry into my daily tasks (not so much in a vain way, but in a way that makes me feel I am capable of achieving anything I put my mind to).

To me, the gods and goddesses represent portions of our own reality and by breaking them into their own entities, allows us to focus on specific aspects of our life and, by viewing our traits as that of another person, can help us feel less ashamed to confront our negativities and more likely to find positive answers to the struggles we face.
I do a doublethink in magick by regarding as this occult ooooh unknowable mysteries how sexy I'm going to fuck a goddess but also as the pantheon being aspects of the archetypes and humanity itself. That said, I don't really get the appeal for following popular pagan gods like the greek or the romans or whatever if you don't have a true relation to them (not in a racist way but in a why would some god from the land that was in some place in pakistan for example want to hear something from someone from the UK with no ties to his dominions there)
 
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Magick is all mental. Studies have shown that participating in or believing in ritualized or scheduled systems makes you more prone to both experience the things you work towards or manifest into reality the things you aim for. Its the same idea behind the self-fulfilling prophecy. Essentially, Magicks work on the same basis as a placebo.

That is why I spend time worshipping the Ancient Roman gods/goddesses and follow a good portion of their rituals, just updated for a more modern situation. They believed that religion was a contract between the people and the gods/goddesses, much more of a lawful endeavor than an occult one.

I regularly spend time making offerings to Vesta around our hearth, in which we keep a small flame constantly burning (we make the fire more robust for big events), as well as hanging contracts and making prayers. I find it both motivating for the mind and my sense of existence in the universe. It almost exudes a righteous confidence over me that I can carry into my daily tasks (not so much in a vain way, but in a way that makes me feel I am capable of achieving anything I put my mind to).

To me, the gods and goddesses represent portions of our own reality and by breaking them into their own entities, allows us to focus on specific aspects of our life and, by viewing our traits as that of another person, can help us feel less ashamed to confront our negativities and more likely to find positive answers to the struggles we face.
But seriously, if magick is really all in the mind, and it works the same as a placebo, then what's the point? It feels kind of empty.
 
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But seriously, if magick is really all in the mind, and it works the same as a placebo, then what's the point? It feels kind of empty.
What's the point of what? Doing Magick if its a Placebo? Doing rituals if they're a placebo?

I'd be glad to tell you my perspective on things, if you have more specific questions?
 
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I do a doublethink in magick by regarding as this occult ooooh unknowable mysteries how sexy I'm going to fuck a goddess but also as the pantheon being aspects of the archetypes and humanity itself. That said, I don't really get the appeal for following popular pagan gods like the greek or the romans or whatever if you don't have a true relation to them (not in a racist way but in a why would some god from the land that was in some place in pakistan for example want to hear something from someone from the UK with no ties to his dominions there)
I have several reasons for following the gods/goddesses of Rome personally, but if you're concerned about locatiopn of worship, then my most important reason would be my Mediterranean heritage. I'm also Cherokee, which leads me to take a more "hippie" like approach to things, but I find the practices of ancient Rome to "feel like a better match. I just, I suppose, simply like their pantheon and beliefs more than the next polytheistic pagan religion.
 
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Placebos still work. Of course its all mental...
But seriously, if magick is really all in the mind, and it works the same as a placebo, then what's the point? It feels kind of empty.
It's always been about the mind. It's just on you, bro. (No offense).

This expectation that magic can directly violate reality instead of merely suggesting its course feels like a huge reason why most people are turned off by neopagan practices.
 
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