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This is to vague to answer coherently; is one saying "No recourse to the globally established and maintained computer network known as the Internet and no use of the globally established and maintained telephonic network known as the Phone System" or is one saying "no computer networks of any kind" or is one only saying "no large, societal-level and centralized network infrastructure" or is one saying "no telecommunications of any kind" or is one saying "no centralized telecommunications of any kind" or is one saying "no recourse to computerized technology nor access to any of the associated telecom networks and related infrastructure" ?????

One could build a network outside of the The Internet™ and the Telephone system and related infrastructure. And how directly or indirectly are ones restricted from the use? Is one restricted from using items produced and distributed using these things? does one have to buy it's sneakers from the cobbler who has no email address thru witch it buys materials to make the Air Force ones???? Could one establish an old-skool sneakernet by paying young street urchins to deliver the digital storage device as a replacement for the electrical packet system??? Could one have them delivered to another one who has access to the internet??? for sending the sbemails and the things on it's behalf as a hybrid meat and silicon portal to The Internet™???

Ones could do packet radio with no recourse to any established infrastructure; there is mails and bbs boards for discussions etc. One could do radiotelegraphy and skip the comps (one doesn't even need recourse to pre-built radio machines for this since one could build a [technically illega] sparkgap transmitter using crap like zinc and copper metals and easily available chemicals like acids and various salts and water....) or if one has recourse to much equipment, it could build a parallel telecom network.


One cannot simply ask the question so vaguely, like some kind of middle-school english class prompt
I'm not saying "in the event of a coronal discharge" or some shit. This hypothetical is set right now, in any of the first world countries. The things you are not allowed to use are any pieces of tech that release EM fields strong enough to fuck with your own EM fields. So anything that releases microwaves or radio waves, like wifi, Bluetooth, or anything of the such. 'non ionizing radiation' is still bad. House wiring seems safe enough so long as you aren't making out with a wall outlet or some shit. Living in range of a cell tower seems like a bad idea but I don't have any figures on that. Any tech that doesn't use significant EM fields is still allowed. Would you be able to live a normal life (not as a hobo bridge troll) whether that be homesteading or getting a job, or whatever.
 
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'non ionizing radiation' is still bad
one will assume this is just a word to clarify, rather than an admission of fear of getting cancer from the RF (because if it not the former but rather the latter-er , one will be in for the Afternoon Delight when it finds outer space EM Cumwaves it is getting bukkake'd with all day without using the walkie-talkie lol)
 
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And fax, or?
I think fax would also be acceptable, but it requires too much technology and the goal is to keep things as simple as possible but also effective.
 
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I think fax would also be acceptable, but it requires too much technology and the goal is to keep things as simple as possible but also effective.
Fax was invented a decade before the telephone..

I agree it's probably not going to be 'effective' though, except maybe for saving time over sending a letter.
 
Fax was invented a decade before the telephone..

I agree it's probably not going to be 'effective' though, except maybe for saving time over sending a letter.
Wow that is incredible, it definitely could be used in place of the mail system then. Not only that but with a small solar panel and a battery you could do away with the entire postal system and still have it all be relatively simple and straitforward.
 
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one will assume this is just a word to clarify, rather than an admission of fear of getting cancer from the RF (because if it not the former but rather the latter-er , one will be in for the Afternoon Delight when it finds outer space EM Cumwaves it is getting bukkake'd with all day without using the walkie-talkie lol)
The jury is still out on cancer. I was mainly talking about this:


Alpha waves for hypnotic suggestion.

Edit: I just re-read your comment and almost inhaled my drink from laughing! You were addressing me like buffalo bill and I think that's great. I want to do that on here at some point now.
 
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The jury is still out on cancer. I was mainly talking about this:


Alpha waves for hypnotic suggestion.

Edit: I just re-read your comment and almost inhaled my drink from laughing! You were addressing me like buffalo bill and I think that's great. I want to do that on here at some point now.
This leads a lot of strength to the theory that they can inject thoughts into your mind with their fancy radio signal technologies and probably why sometimes you get thoughts that are not your own telling you to do things you normally wouldn't do. Seems like its likely some individuals are more sensitive to such things. There was some army base shooting by someone affected by such condition one or more times.
 
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Edit: I just re-read your comment and almost inhaled my drink from laughing! You were addressing me like buffalo bill and I think that's great. I want to do that on here at some point now.
it places the iphone in the basket
 
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Technology has the ultimate potential to set humanity free from (worldly) control structures. Too bad that we've been complacent in allowing those worldly control structures to enslave us more and more with technology.
 
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I had a thought earlier today. With everyone I know receiving 3-6 spam calls a day as a result of that credit bureau hack, phones have already lost their value as "phones". Too bad all the companies want your phone number for MFA now solely for security, amirite?
As for the threads question, someone's location in the world is the main determining factor on whether or not they can live without technology. How developed the country is and all that. There's this case I remember, but circumstances like these are rare for a reason (81-Year-Old Facing Eviction From Cabin He's Lived in for 27 Years).

Also, IP by carrier pigeon <3.
Its so wretched that this man lives there for 27 years, probably already in full usage of squatters rights since he had permission and lived openly and his crime was not having a road in front of his house, not paying tribute to the city that barely knew here was there, and not ravaging the environment. They don't let you live a good life in the rat race system with the declining wages, the constant put downs, shut outs, not hiring, rejections, expensive housing/healthcare and they have to NERVE to screw him over when he lives outside the system. The Chinese have the right idea. Let the system rot. Its time to lay flat.

Edit: His house burned down as it was being dismantled at his own request and the landowner died.
He is now in a new place in Maine. Incredible.
 
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Fax was invented a decade before the telephone..
This is a bit disingenuous....the pantelegraph (which one assumes is being refered to here, if my memory of the timelne is still intact lol) but it is not at all what one pictures when they hears "fax" today, or any time within the past ~100 years, give or take.

It would be like saying that the internet was invented before the modern computer because of the telex network...those are both things which transmorgrify textual info into an electrical impulse for transmission but they do not share much in common outside of this very broad category
 
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I'm not saying "in the event of a coronal discharge" or some shit. This hypothetical is set right now, in any of the first world countries. The things you are not allowed to use are any pieces of tech that release EM fields strong enough to fuck with your own EM fields. So anything that releases microwaves or radio waves, like wifi, Bluetooth, or anything of the such. 'non ionizing radiation' is still bad. House wiring seems safe enough so long as you aren't making out with a wall outlet or some shit. Living in range of a cell tower seems like a bad idea but I don't have any figures on that. Any tech that doesn't use significant EM fields is still allowed. Would you be able to live a normal life (not as a hobo bridge troll) whether that be homesteading or getting a job, or whatever.
I've thought about this before. Here's the scenario I came up with. It's probably only possible in the jurisdiction I live in:

So the local government offers these permits called a "license to occupy". They are $500 every five years and they let you build a remote, off-grid cabin as long as you are at least 1,000 metres from a public roadway or body of water. They are meant more for hunting or fishing shacks, but nobody would stop you from living in it. There are many unincorporated small towns here that don't have a cell signal, yet still have a little general store. So you pick a site the minimum distance from the road and water that's maybe 5-6 km outside a small town with a store and build a little Thoreauesque cabin. You dig an outhouse and build a system to catch rainwater. You can hike to a pond or river 1 km away to bathe and fish. Brown trout are abundant locally, you don't need any kind of permit to catch them for personal use, and they will have pretty well everything you need in terms of fats and protein. You take lots of jars and preserve wild berries which are abundant here to avoid vitamin c deficiencies and to get fibre and sugars. You use a cast iron cookware to avoid iron deficiencies. You buy shelf-stable provisions once a year to supplement your diet. You can eventually get into growing potatoes, because they are easy to grow, easy to preserve in a little dugout and easy to propagate. If you dug the rocks and weeds out of a 12x12 area, made a few trips to the beach to pick up dried seaweed, and kept throwing things like fish skin and bones into it, you'd have a real nice spot for a potato bed after a few years. Not enough that you could live off potatoes, but enough to grow a few hundred pounds a year to supplement your diet.

So every fall, you have these guys selling wild blueberries on the side of the highway for $20-25 a gallon. It's very normal here culturally. So you have a gallon bucket and a bunch of plastic bags and you spend pretty well all of September picking blueberries and measuring out gallon bags and that's how you make your money for the year. All cash under the table. It'd be hard work, but I have no doubt you could maybe make $4,000-$5,000 a season. Enough to stock up on provisions like rice and beans, pay your license to occupy, buy gear like axes and fishing tackle and maybe buy some new clothes and shoes once a year. I feel like you'd still need to find a way into a bigger town once a year to buy some of that stuff.

So that's how I think you could do it. But should you do it? It was always just more of a thought experiment for me.

Of course, that's probably getting a little close to the hobo under the bridge thing. Those small towns with no cell phone reception I talked about do have cheap houses, and you can choose not to get Internet, listen to the radio and read for entertainment and work somewhere seasonally like the local fish plant, but there are going to be people around you the entire time with cell phones, even with the spotty reception. People buy stuff like signal boosters to put in their trucks to make them work.

So yeah, I guess at the end of the day I think it's feasible in a first world country to have a home with no strong EM fields, but if you want a relatively normal lifestyle, there's no avoiding those signals at work. It can be minimized if you get a seasonal job like at a fish-plant or on a farm where you only work half the year.

Various thoughts on stuff other people have said:

What jobs could you do? Can you even still pay taxes and stuff in person?
I know first hand there are a lot of 50-60 year old labourers that do not use the Internet, have email, and live with nothing but a flip phone or landline and cable TV. A lot of construction companies and fishing outfits and stuff still hire unskilled labourers with nothing but a paper resume. They pay their taxes by taking a paper tax slip they get from work to a walk-in tax place. Not exactly off the grid, but certainly technologically a lot simpler than anyone posting here. Those are hard jobs, though.
And fax, or?
I miss using the fax. It feels like I used it every day and then about 10 years ago it just rapidly declined over the course of a year or so, and now I might send a fax a year at work. I think it only works over copper phone lines because the signal is analogue. So as they replace traditional phone lines with digital ones connected by fibre optic cable, fax will eventually not work anymore at all. I used to find it really handy for signing agreements and purchase orders and stuff. I know you can sign a PDF directly now, but a fax coming in on the machine, signing it, putting it back on the machine and punching in the number was so straightforward and it worked so well.
Wow that is incredible, it definitely could be used in place of the mail system then. Not only that but with a small solar panel and a battery you could do away with the entire postal system and still have it all be relatively simple and straitforward.
It is not possible to use fax and live off grid. It requires copper phone cables as the signal is analogue, so you'd need to at least have a copper phone line.
 
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I've thought about this before. Here's the scenario I came up with. It's probably only possible in the jurisdiction I live in:

So the local government offers these permits called a "license to occupy". They are $500 every five years and they let you build a remote, off-grid cabin as long as you are at least 1,000 metres from a public roadway or body of water. They are meant more for hunting or fishing shacks, but nobody would stop you from living in it. There are many unincorporated small towns here that don't have a cell signal, yet still have a little general store. So you pick a site the minimum distance from the road and water that's maybe 5-6 km outside a small town with a store and build a little Thoreauesque cabin. You dig an outhouse and build a system to catch rainwater. You can hike to a pond or river 1 km away to bathe and fish. Brown trout are abundant locally, you don't need any kind of permit to catch them for personal use, and they will have pretty well everything you need in terms of fats and protein. You take lots of jars and preserve wild berries which are abundant here to avoid vitamin c deficiencies and to get fibre and sugars. You use a cast iron cookware to avoid iron deficiencies. You buy shelf-stable provisions once a year to supplement your diet. You can eventually get into growing potatoes, because they are easy to grow, easy to preserve in a little dugout and easy to propagate. If you dug the rocks and weeds out of a 12x12 area, made a few trips to the beach to pick up dried seaweed, and kept throwing things like fish skin and bones into it, you'd have a real nice spot for a potato bed after a few years. Not enough that you could live off potatoes, but enough to grow a few hundred pounds a year to supplement your diet.

So every fall, you have these guys selling wild blueberries on the side of the highway for $20-25 a gallon. It's very normal here culturally. So you have a gallon bucket and a bunch of plastic bags and you spend pretty well all of September picking blueberries and measuring out gallon bags and that's how you make your money for the year. All cash under the table. It'd be hard work, but I have no doubt you could maybe make $4,000-$5,000 a season. Enough to stock up on provisions like rice and beans, pay your license to occupy, buy gear like axes and fishing tackle and maybe buy some new clothes and shoes once a year. I feel like you'd still need to find a way into a bigger town once a year to buy some of that stuff.

So that's how I think you could do it. But should you do it? It was always just more of a thought experiment for me.

Of course, that's probably getting a little close to the hobo under the bridge thing. Those small towns with no cell phone reception I talked about do have cheap houses, and you can choose not to get Internet, listen to the radio and read for entertainment and work somewhere seasonally like the local fish plant, but there are going to be people around you the entire time with cell phones, even with the spotty reception. People buy stuff like signal boosters to put in their trucks to make them work.

So yeah, I guess at the end of the day I think it's feasible in a first world country to have a home with no strong EM fields, but if you want a relatively normal lifestyle, there's no avoiding those signals at work. It can be minimized if you get a seasonal job like at a fish-plant or on a farm where you only work half the year.

Various thoughts on stuff other people have said:


I know first hand there are a lot of 50-60 year old labourers that do not use the Internet, have email, and live with nothing but a flip phone or landline and cable TV. A lot of construction companies and fishing outfits and stuff still hire unskilled labourers with nothing but a paper resume. They pay their taxes by taking a paper tax slip they get from work to a walk-in tax place. Not exactly off the grid, but certainly technologically a lot simpler than anyone posting here. Those are hard jobs, though.

I miss using the fax. It feels like I used it every day and then about 10 years ago it just rapidly declined over the course of a year or so, and now I might send a fax a year at work. I think it only works over copper phone lines because the signal is analogue. So as they replace traditional phone lines with digital ones connected by fibre optic cable, fax will eventually not work anymore at all. I used to find it really handy for signing agreements and purchase orders and stuff. I know you can sign a PDF directly now, but a fax coming in on the machine, signing it, putting it back on the machine and punching in the number was so straightforward and it worked so well.

It is not possible to use fax and live off grid. It requires copper phone cables as the signal is analogue, so you'd need to at least have a copper phone line.
Wow. This is actually exactly the thing I was looking for. I had in my paper that there was no way to live outside of EM fields and still make enough to pay water bills or property bills or whatever. This is legitemately great!
 
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other peeps already did the "where do you draw the line at technology, cuz technically everything is technology" bits so am skipping that, am also assuming "i am the one not allowed to use tech" and not a full system collapse and answering based on that. also keep in mind am from a third world country where things aren't a digitally shakled(it is 2025 and hearing Americans say they "don't carry cash anymore cuz they pay all digitally or with credit" still weirds me out). oki so:

phone: i already forget my out of power for days in a row sometimes, not much of a deal for me. might need to buy a few things like an alarm, clock, a radio, ect to compensate tho(assuming any of those are allowed here).

computer: realistically not, i work in art, design and animation. i mostly draw on paper anyways to the art part isn't affected much. animation would be a pain, and doing 3d shit would be impossible(stop motion not withstanding), but i have animated on paper before so i could manage. design would be impossible sense i need a puter to create and print the designs, i could go super old school and do hand prints.. some still do tho it is SUPER rare.

internet: aside from the fact i can't access it without the two a for mentioned devices(and assuming i just can't slap together my own radio network and illegally connect someone), yeah my ability to work or communicate would be super limited to people in my local area, i don't mind drawing for the people at local cafes or the occasional tourist, tho it isn't a stable source of income. i could still get a normal job but applying without email or an online portfolio will be a pain. had to carry one of those 50x70cm portofolio bags in my first year of uni, not fun.

smartTVs: mine is moron

what other "technology" would count?
 
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Schools should've banned cellphones decades ago.
iPads too. My kiddo has a phone, but it's a very old-fashioned thing—no games, no internet, just the basics. We got it through the tracfone program, of course. It does the job, and honestly, I kind of like that it keeps them away from too much screen time. Might upgrade one day, but for now it's perfect.
 
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Hello fellow degenerates,

I'm doing a paper for school right now about the impact of "connectedness" and technology. One small problem. There is not a single paper out on how to live without ANY use of the internet or phones. It left me wondering is it even possible? Without joining an Amish community or something anyways. Like how would you even get a job?
Try talking to old people. My grandfather doesn't have a cell phone or internet or even cable TV. Or a computer. He's not amish or anything, he just thinks it's all nunk.
 
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This is a bit disingenuous....the pantelegraph (which one assumes is being refered to here, if my memory of the timelne is still intact lol) but it is not at all what one pictures when they hears "fax" today, or any time within the past ~100 years, give or take.

It would be like saying that the internet was invented before the modern computer because of the telex network...those are both things which transmorgrify textual info into an electrical impulse for transmission but they do not share much in common outside of this very broad category
Yes, the technology was primitive when it was invented (just like how you were born at a very young age).

By your logic, phones weren't invented until the iPhone because a landline is not at all what one pictures when they hear "phone" today.