Linux Thread

[ビンス]

My AV expired so I'm moving to Fedora as we speak. I don't think I'll ever use Windows again.

 

[0xquasar]

My AV expired so I'm moving to Fedora as we speak. I don't think I'll ever use Windows again.

about time

 

[vulonkaaz]

My AV expired so I'm moving to Fedora as we speak. I don't think I'll ever use Windows again.

funny it happens at the exact time when we're arguing about how bad Fedora is gl gl

 

[ビンス]

funny it happens at the exact time when we're arguing about how bad Fedora is gl gl

I didn't scroll up lolz. I personally like it but I will switch if I encounter issues.

 

[vulonkaaz]

I personally like it

so you already used it and are accustomed to it yea you should be fine

 

[ビンス]

Is there an easy way to check a drive for corrupted files? The only issue I've had so far is due to my own stupidity.

Before installing Fedora, while I was still on the live USB, I was copying files from my SSD to another one so that I could erase the original drive and format it as the ext4.

While it was copying the files, I accidentally bumped the USB drive, but I thought it was fine because the system didn't start freaking out. It continued the file copy operation and finished without errors. However, once it finished, the system started freaking out in the normal way that it does if you remove the USB drive while the system is running. I'm worried that some of my files may have been corrupted in transit after bumping the USB drive. They seem mostly fine, though. So I was hoping that there is a tool that I could use to easily check for corrupted files to avoid me manually opening every file.

 

[morus]

Agreed, learn how to install i3, linux becomes learning how to install your own stuff over time. imo ubuntu based distros like mint are easier to deal with as a newbie than fedora.

since a bloated install was mentioned I should add that it's perfectly feasible to remove lots of crap without breaking the ability to boot, but I recommend using the tui interface of aptitude. un(m)ark some automatically pulled packages, un(-)install some others, if there's conflicts it'll scream at you so (e)xamine them and pick a resolution interactively, it stages changes before modifying the system and there's a button to clear them somewhere so you can play with it a little.

there's synaptic too, which is the same thing but in gtk and imo even harder to look at

 

[0xquasar]

Is there an easy way to check a drive for corrupted files? The only issue I've had so far is due to my own stupidity.

Before installing Fedora, while I was still on the live USB, I was copying files from my SSD to another one so that I could erase the original drive and format it as the ext4.

While it was copying the files, I accidentally bumped the USB drive, but I thought it was fine because the system didn't start freaking out. It continued the file copy operation and finished without errors. However, once it finished, the system started freaking out in the normal way that it does if you remove the USB drive while the system is running. I'm worried that some of my files may have been corrupted in transit after bumping the USB drive. They seem mostly fine, though. So I was hoping that there is a tool that I could use to easily check for corrupted files to avoid me manually opening every file.

ya use the diff command be sure it is also checking each file's contents and not just the name

 

[Antogoos]

Converted to Linux on my laptop not too long ago, soon to do so on my desktop

 

[0xquasar]

Anyone use BSD? Curious how that is compared to linux

 

[LostintheCycle]

Anyone use BSD? Curious how that is compared to linux

I use OpenBSD for my servers.The difference is mostly under the hood, besides some bespoke tools for certain things, like OpenBSD pf firewall, and it's jails. One notable difference is OpenBSD has a lot of functions performed by shell scripts. Otherwise, it's a similar experience to using small Linux systems that lack systemd.
Though I've not used programs that aren't in the package repo yet, I worry that will become problematic.

 

[Svind]

What's with the meme about "Arch breaking my system every week" anyway? I used to daily drive Debian based distros until I switched to Arch on my laptop around 3-4 years ago since the machine is old and I really wanted to set it up to use as little resources as possible, earlier this year made the switch on my desktop as well. Neither machine "randomly broke" since my first install, even though I'm pretty bad about updating the system regularly-sometimes I take months between updates-unless I hear about a critical security issue or I want to install a new package and think "fuck it we'll -Syu instead of -Sy this time". The biggest thing I remember happening was some update to something about pacman that may have required manual intervention depending on your system and they were practically screaming about what you need to do like 2 weeks prior on the mailing list.

Is it just a meme or did I miss some dark age of Arch Linux back when I was using Debian in which they'd release breaking updates every week or something?

 

[LostintheCycle]

Neither machine "randomly broke" since my first install, even though I'm pretty bad about updating the system regularly-sometimes I take months between updates-unless I hear about a critical security issue or I want to install a new package and think "fuck it we'll -Syu instead of -Sy this time".

Not updated is probably why, it's the rolling release that causes it. I would occasionally update my Arch installation, but got sick of it because a few times, updates put my computer into recovery mode and made me waste time tracking down the arbitrary issue. That has happened exactly zero times with Debian.
Side note, what the fuck do people mean when they say "pacman is a comfy package manager" with no further explanation. How is 'pacman -Syu' more "comfy" than 'apt update && apt upgrade'? Why this unexplained affection?

 

[Svind]

Not updated is probably why, it's the rolling release that causes it. I would occasionally update my Arch installation, but got sick of it because a few times, updates put my computer into recovery mode and made me waste time tracking down the arbitrary issue. That has happened exactly zero times with Debian.

I guess by the time I update, problems are fixed. Being lazy saves the day yet again.

Side note, what the fuck do people mean when they say "pacman is a comfy package manager" with no further explanation. How is 'pacman -Syu' more "comfy" than 'apt update && apt upgrade'? Why this unexplained affection?

People say that? That's hilarious actually. I like pacman because "hurr less keystrokes" but man do I want more human readable stuff sometimes because what the fuck is 'pacman -Qtdq | pacman -Rns -'

 

[mesaprotector]

What's with the meme about "Arch breaking my system every week" anyway?

Well, if you want an example—just updated yesterday, and immediately right-click stopped working entirely in Qt6 applications (which includes my notepad, ebook reader, torrent client...). The bug got reported and patched almost immediately, but yeah, rolling release is sure fun sometimes. I get why Fortune 500 companies aren't installing Arch on their company laptops. Though honestly it doesn't happen that often. I've had only one "can't even boot" bug the entire four years I've been on Linux, plus one serious Nvidia bug that caused kernel panics; everything else has been annoying to minor.

 

[Ashman]

Oh yeah Arch, from my experience it doesn't break a lot. Last time it broke it was when NVIDIA decided to nuke all my drivers. Overall pretty neat experience.

 

[RisingThumb]

What's with the meme about "Arch breaking my system every week" anyway? I

Like LostintheCycle said it's usually because of things not being updated. Most of the time packages that'll cause breakages or issues get listed in the news so you should check them before you update.

The last time mine broke, it was because of Grub updating and deciding it's great to give people issues. Even following the instructions there, I had issues after updating. Classic Grub

Side note, what the fuck do people mean when they say "pacman is a comfy package manager" with no further explanation. How is 'pacman -Syu' more "comfy" than 'apt update && apt upgrade'? Why this unexplained affection?

Pacman has a little pacman that eats power pellets as it updates. apt update and upgrade does not. More soulful as a result.

Also can someone tell me wtf is up with Rust for linux. I saw in some of my youtube recommendations and in the drew devault blog that the rust for linux team got burned out or something like that, but didn't pay too close attention to it

 

[Svind]

Most of the time packages that'll cause breakages or issues get listed in the news so you should check them before you update.

I'm subbed to the mailing lists, so I see the news there if anything pops up. Looking at the news section, it seems to be about the same things so maybe people just don't check the news/sub to the mailing list if they're constantly breaking their system.

I saw in some of my youtube recommendations and in the drew devault blog that the rust for linux team got burned out or something like that, but didn't pay too close attention to it

I haven't watched my Linux gossip videos (yet) but I imagine it's because a lot of people being very mad that Rust is in the kernel now for some fucking reason, knowing the "community" it's very likely that they got harassed in one way or another.

 

[vulonkaaz]

Anyone use BSD? Curious how that is compared to linux

I have netBSD on my home server

every time i want to install a new software i feel left out, if it ain't in the package manager it gonna be a struggle, people usually support freeBSD sometimes openBSD, netBSD the software will often not compile and nobody give a fuck nobody gonna help you, sometimes they'll say they support netBSD but last time someone tried to build the software on that OS was in 2014

if I had to reinstall my server I'd probably use Alpine Linux instead

 

[RisingThumb]

I'm subbed to the mailing lists, so I see the news there if anything pops up. Looking at the news section, it seems to be about the same things so maybe people just don't check the news/sub to the mailing list if they're constantly breaking their system.

This is probably why, but if you come from Debian or Windows or any other OS, it's not obvious you should read that distro's news before updating