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I want this thread by saying most of this is probably a drug induced delusion but i feel to some degree it should be explained first to sorta set a ground work ill explain how shin megami tensei depicts its characters specifically the demons you recruit in one of the later games they explain the deities you fight with/against only exist because of how much people believe in those deities its basically a living meme or concept now if we apply this to the real world it would seem that there does seem to exist a sort of higher layer where concepts and ideas live if you throw away common conceptions of what life is you can say that these idea are alive and seemingly autonomous take religion for example God does not exist unless the believers believe another way to try to explain this is uzumaki by junji ito where the idea of a spiral takes over and corrupts a town or a more real world example being garefeild when you look at how garfeild has evolved from a wholesome comic to somewhat of a horror icon shows how ideas themselfs grow and change on its own (i also believe garfeild is either a cognition hazard or an eldritch entity) now if you apply this concept to yourself you are more a collection of ideas battle for control sorta like an ant mound but each ant is fighting for control no matter how brief that control is the goal of what i will dub as memetic entities) i aplogize for the scattered thoughts and delusion but this is the interpretation i have gathered and my conclusion is that not only is identity fake but so are we and you
 

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The original followers have moved on and the next generation is left interpretting the source material from the lense of pop culture now. Garfield would never have been seen in this light without creepy pasta and Five Nights at Freddy's as a reference point. I'm old enough to remember the Garfield in the comics section (and used to clip them with scissors), it never gave off this vibe until Gen Z read too much into it and needed to fill 10:00 video slots on youtube. Kind of like the Uzumaki point you made, it spirals into a new life of its own I guess.
 
similar anti-sentiment like poolcore gives off? nobody cared about pools until it became viby "liminality"...
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lost it, but was very similar to this one, in sense of , as i remember it saying, "art takes a life of its own and dies", or so
yay found it, what a name tstststs
 
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similar anti-sentiment like poolcore gives off? nobody cared about pools until it became viby "liminality"...
(we ave thread)
lost it, but was very similar to this one, in sense of , as i remember it saying, "art takes a life of its own and dies", or so
yay found it, what a name tstststs
tbh im not entirely sure its dead more like reborn rebirth can be lame too
 
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I want this thread by saying most of this is probably a drug induced delusion but i feel to some degree it should be explained first to sorta set a ground work ill explain how shin megami tensei depicts its characters specifically the demons you recruit in one of the later games they explain the deities you fight with/against only exist because of how much people believe in those deities its basically a living meme or concept now if we apply this to the real world it would seem that there does seem to exist a sort of higher layer where concepts and ideas live if you throw away common conceptions of what life is you can say that these idea are alive and seemingly autonomous take religion for example God does not exist unless the believers believe another way to try to explain this is uzumaki by junji ito where the idea of a spiral takes over and corrupts a town or a more real world example being garefeild when you look at how garfeild has evolved from a wholesome comic to somewhat of a horror icon shows how ideas themselfs grow and change on its own (i also believe garfeild is either a cognition hazard or an eldritch entity) now if you apply this concept to yourself you are more a collection of ideas battle for control sorta like an ant mound but each ant is fighting for control no matter how brief that control is the goal of what i will dub as memetic entities) i aplogize for the scattered thoughts and delusion but this is the interpretation i have gathered and my conclusion is that not only is identity fake but so are we and you
American gods also has this concept, gods exists through mass belief. There was an interesting episode where there were jesus' of different colours, showing that people had different conceptions of jesus. The old formerly powerful gods from other mythology whose followers have dwindled try many different way to get more followers, getting people to sing praises etc. the tv show got cancelled but it was adapted from a book of the same name.
 

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Well anything you truly believe in is real, and if you open your mind enough you can truly believe in anything. I think the three main traits of things like American Gods or Shin Megami Tensei is that you can observe these things without truly believing in it, they have autonomy even if you believe they don't, and the more you believe in something the more people that believe in something the more powerful it is. I think another piece of art that goes over these ideas is Chainsaw Man. Albeit Chainsaw Man is specifically about the belief in something's danger to you ie fear.
 
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I had this same thought years ago, no drugs or sleep deprivation required, and it's nice to see that others are coming to the same idea. It's proof there are no original ideas. :p
I found it pretty shocking reading American Gods since it echoed my own ideas about reality, and I consider myself close to the concept of Odin. Book spoiler:

The gods - the concepts - morph and change with society. Justice is a very real thing even if it is intangible, but its interpretation will vary through the centuries. Justice to the Norse looked like Tyr, Justice to you might look something more like Batman, and I don't want to know what Justice looks like to a plebbitor.

I was going to go into this in the pagan proof thread but I'll touch on it here - This is essentially a return to animism and polytheism. There are infinite concepts with infinite interpretations, and you can choose which ones you want to cultivate in your mental garden - which gods you deem worthy of living there (the original definition of "worship" was "to deem worthy").

I personally got a lot of mental growth out of identifying the concepts I valued most, determining their mental-physical appearance, and talking to them in my head. Knowing exactly what gods you worship (and there are evil gods you worship...porn, overconsumption, etc...) and figuring out if those are the gods you want to worship can be instrumental in change. Putting a human face to these concepts is more meaningful to our monkey brains than one realizes.
 
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Well anything you truly believe in is real, and if you open your mind enough you can truly believe in anything. I think the three main traits of things like American Gods or Shin Megami Tensei is that you can observe these things without truly believing in it, they have autonomy even if you believe they don't, and the more you believe in something the more people that believe in something the more powerful it is. I think another piece of art that goes over these ideas is Chainsaw Man. Albeit Chainsaw Man is specifically about the belief in something's danger to you ie fear.
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But as an actual post, max stirner had on his book that people will eventually stop worshiping gods, and in the future people will find another thing to fill in the gaps, like democracy.

You can see parallels with the crusades when they wanted to bring "democracy" to the middle east, when its really just another rallying cry for resource securing.
 
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But as an actual post, max stirner had on his book that people will eventually stop worshiping gods, and in the future people will find another thing to fill in the gaps, like democracy.

You can see parallels with the crusades when they wanted to bring "democracy" to the middle east, when its really just another rallying cry for resource securing.
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so for context of the thread can someone please explain american gods to me
Not major spoilers but still spoilers
[The MC, a dude named Shadow, is recruited by a mysterious old man calling himself Mr. Wednesday. Later he] learns that Wednesday is an incarnation of Odin the All-Father, and that he is recruiting American manifestations of the Old Gods, whose powers have waned as their believers have decreased in number, to participate in a battle against the New American Gods – manifestations of modern life and technology (which is what most Americans now inadvertently worship), such as the Internet, media, and modern means of transport.
The Old Gods represent older concepts, the New Gods represent...new concepts. The book explores what Gods are as concepts.
 
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tbh i think stirner is wrong especially these days when it comes to god and i think part of that has to do with him being an aetheist before it was cool in a way the concept of god seems to transform over time inter newer and different forms i think in the case of smt it seems to say that people want to believe in some form of god and in the case of american gods it seems to pit the old vs the new and in the real world i think that traditional god as we come to understand it has abandoned the church and has kinda transformed into many things across the internet i think a very watered down example would be how people are following trends or becoming more and more overconsumptious
 
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