On The Topic Of A Societal Collapse

[Deleted member 1930]

there's not gonna be "collapse" exactly. collapse implies (sort of) a valley compared to a societal peak. what's coming is not gonna be like that at all. it's not gonna be a collapse, we're headed toward apocalypse. things will largely be the same for a long time, until they aren't

this is the new normal, for the time being. we're never going back to how things were, the next era is going to be shit the world has never seen and very few are gonna make it out to the other side

 

[Deleted member 3373]

there's not gonna be "collapse" exactly. collapse implies (sort of) a valley compared to a societal peak. what's coming is not gonna be like that at all. it's not gonna be a collapse, we're headed toward apocalypse. things will largely be the same for a long time, until they aren't

this is the new normal, for the time being. we're never going back to how things were, the next era is going to be shit the world has never seen and very few are gonna make it out to the other side

My major prediction is that of technological/industrial collapse. Start moving away from technological dependence before it's too late.

 

[SolidStateSurvivor]

I just like the idea of a reset, a blank slate that puts everyone on a more even playing field. A real wake up call is needed to restore some sense of humanity. Some sort of collapse or cataclysmic event is the only real way to achieve it though. Eerything has just felt so surreal and disconnected since the lockdowns started. People I knew just aren't the same, it's all just so hard to accurately pinpoint and describe.

Even if a total societal breakdown is unlikely, there's no denying that the west is in the midst of a painful decline. And the worst part is that culturally they seem to be bringing it upon themselves by teaching self hatred, victim mentality, and "woke" ideologies. The boardroom approach to cinema and music hasn't helped either, and modern art is a money laundering joke.

At this point I think there's a lot of angry people who would risk it all just to get a taste of revenge against the elites and general corruption. Could just be your typical "all talk, no action" internet tough guy bullshit but idk normal people seem to be more keen on the fuckery going on and are getting sick of it.

I'm mostly content with life, I have food, a place to sleep, and refuge in hobbies. I don't really care what happens either way, I'd like to believe I have a good enough head on my shoulders to make it through whatever bullshit is next, whether it's the great boogaloo or just a mundane slip into a complete dystopia.

 

[Deleted member 1930]

My major prediction is that of technological/industrial collapse. Start moving away from technological dependence before it's too late.

nah, tech collapse is impossible

it has literal infinite resources behind it and has no cons from a governmental/economic perspective

it's all pros. It generates money, and keeps people subservient and distracted. It keeps people away from science, GOD and truth. It keeps people suffering and in pain


perhaps some things about it might change, and it's availability to you and me might change in the acute sense, but it is way way too powerful and valuable to let collapse

a tech collapse means a cleaner soul and a cleaner mind. Satan and the cabal would never allow it

the tech collapse and oppression under the foot of technology will only come after the devil is defeated

 

[Deleted member 1930]

I just like the idea of a reset, a blank slate that puts everyone on a more even playing field. A real wake up call is needed to restore some sense of humanity. Some sort of collapse or cataclysmic event is the only real way to achieve it though. Eerything has just felt so surreal and disconnected since the lockdowns started. People I knew just aren't the same, it's all just so hard to accurately pinpoint and describe.

Even if a total societal breakdown is unlikely, there's no denying that the west is in the midst of a painful decline. And the worst part is that culturally they seem to be bringing it upon themselves by teaching self hatred, victim mentality, and "woke" ideologies. The boardroom approach to cinema and music hasn't helped either, and modern art is a money laundering joke.

At this point I think there's a lot of angry people who would risk it all just to get a taste of revenge against the elites and general corruption. Could just be your typical "all talk, no action" internet tough guy bullshit but idk normal people seem to be more keen on the fuckery going on and are getting sick of it.

I'm mostly content with life, I have food, a place to sleep, and refuge in hobbies. I don't really care what happens either way, I'd like to believe I have a good enough head on my shoulders to make it through whatever bullshit is next, whether it's the great boogaloo or just a mundane slip into a complete dystopia.

The reset is coming

 

[webgirlz]

A common topic of discussion I've noticed around these forums, is the idea of societal collapse. Either that we're headed towards one as we speak, or what would bring it about, what would it be like afterwards, etc. In these discussions everyone seems to have their own views on things, but many of them seem to agree that a collapse will/should happen. Personally, I find that strange. I've posted before in some of these threads on how I think things are getting better, not worse. But this thread isn't about the likelihood of a collapse, it's about why some people seem to want it so bad, even those who agree that it's not going to happen. I think I have an idea, and I want to share my thoughts on it.

I think we can all agree that nowadays, people are forced to care about way too much. Everyone needs to have an opinion on everything, even things that don't concern them. Because of how connected the world has become, it's just as easy to see the news about a country you can't even pronounce the name of, as it is to check your local weather. And if you don't pick a side in a war between two shithole countries halfway across the world, you're a social outcast at best, and an enemy at worst. *coughcoughukrainecoughcough*
But this doesn't just apply to major world events. It applies to smaller things too. How many of you have opinions about a government of a country you've never been to? Or the quality of life in places you've never lived? I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to have these kinds of opinions, just that it's basically expected that you do. Even if you otherwise wouldn't want to. Even though these things have zero impact on your life at all.

Which brings me to my next point. I don't think it's too big of an assumption to say that a lot of people on this website seem to be dissatisfied with their lives in one way or another. I truly believe that a person's worldview is shaped by their current situation and their past experiences. If a person's life is hell, well their worldview is probably not a very bright one. And why should it be? After all, your "world" is the life you're living. It's all you can see, touch and know for certain. In the past, it's all most people ever had to think about.
But now, that's no longer the case. Like I mentioned before, everyone is aware of everything that's going on around the world at all times. And everyone is pressured into forming an opinion on it. For people living in the western world, the idea of conflict and instability is something almost completely foreign. But the truth is that most of the world hasn't been as peaceful as the states or mainland Europe has these past few decades. Many of these countries are only gaining some sense of peace and stability right now.
It would come as a real shock to start hearing about constant conflict all over the world, when your entire life up to that point was spent in an environment completely removed from any of it. And if it comes during a time in your life where you yourself are already in a bad spot, then it's pretty easy to feel like the whole world is crashing down. After all, it's not just your life that's shit anymore, now the entire world seems to be fucked in new ways every day.

Lastly, I think it's important to talk about the specific troubles that define the millennial generation. Which is, from what I can tell, the generation many people on this website seem to belong to. Millennials (in the west at least) seemed to have been dealt the shit end of the stick in almost every way. Starting their adult lives right before a recession, being pressured into getting a university degree despite rising tuition costs and student loan debt, and being forced to take on low end jobs that used to be enough to sustain a living but are now not even enough to make rent, just to name a few. Many millennials were essentially forced to take on the world with the expectation that it would be the same world their parents inherited. They were inadequately prepared for the changing times, and now live mediocre lives because of it.
However, many millennials were also blessed with amazing childhoods. Experiencing the rise of countless new technologies and forms of entertainment that are taken for granted today. The whiplash of living the good life as a kid, only to become and adult and realize things don't work the way you were told they would, is enough taint anyone's worldview.
However what I think is most important in this case, is the fact that many millennials are past the point of no return by now. They're either too old, too in debt, or just too demotivated to make any sort of meaningful change that could turn their life around.
Combine that tainted worldview, lack of hope for the future, and constant overexposure to world events and pressure to pick a side, I can start to understand where the desire for collapse could come from.

When your life is shit and it's too late to do anything about it, I guess the only hope one could have of things getting better for them is if everything was just "reset." And when your constantly forced to hear about all the world's troubles, it doesn't seem to be that farfetched of a possibility sometimes.

Let me know what you all think.

View: https://youtu.be/t-SIHRANLwQ
relating to this topic, i feel like this is a great video to watch

 

[Some_porcupine]

I would probably border between the millennial (the way my life went and how I was raised) and zoomer generation (categorically, I refuse to associate myself with them). I can say right now that I have a degree dissatisfaction in my life but I haven't wished for a societal collapse, I'm more leaning towards a revisionist approach; nothing radical, just gradual change. But one thing that I do hope to a certain level is the collapse of the internet, I see it to be that one radical step that can trigger something big to change in our lives. An internet collapse for the sake of reflection and rebuilding, not to wipe it away forever though. There are changes that are coming, one from Twitter which I trust you've come across as I type. It looks promising, but time will tell if it holds up.

The past two years gave me a good beating and was the first time I felt that my life was shit, as far as I've assessed myself these are doomer phases and I dismissed them as a "revolt of the flesh". Fast forward a year or two and I have gradually been starting to dissociate myself to society and the mainstream internet. It's not life that directly gives me a beating most of the time, but the grief of seeing people's shit takes as if I expected that people would finally have time to reflect since the pandemic. Many people like to pretend they know a lot, and that includes me; this I credit to the internet for its nature of rapidly proliferating information regardless of authenticity. Added to that we're passively and constantly fed with what people are doing with their lives in which I do not blame them for posting, but really I recommend ditching these sites. Part of the dissatisfaction we experience today can be duly credited to the mainstream social medias; it doesn't need you to pay direct attention to what people post about their lives, it just has to flash it on your face constantly and bit by bit it will somehow get to you. The best approach is to not see those at all, safe and simple.

For what lack of hope for the future that a good chunk of the millennials felt, I finally felt and empathized with it since 2020. I do not know how things will look like when things totally get back to normal without this "new normal" bullshit and masks. One thing's for sure, I won't be the same person when I go interact with my friends and acquaintances. And right now (my conjecture, likely amplified thanks to the caffeine crash that I'm still feeling) I honestly do not know where things will go from here because the future I see in front of my screen is "The future is now and it's fucking bleak." But a bleak future is no reason for me to just slump and give up.

My time that I'll spend >innawoods will change me further, I know it. But I know it's for the good, hopefully.

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Well I happen to be one of those people predicting collapse. And the issue of people living mediocre lives is a key indicator of societal collapse. Taking this generational view is not helpful in this scenario when it was a deep systemic problem that screwed up that age group. Said problem has not been solved for the next age group. Not everything in life can be put down to personal choice and that includes automation and overcompetition brought about by globalisation. That coupled with resource crises and environmental problems is a sure-fire recipe for a society nearing death. The only reason the system could save itself in past epochs is due to stronger national governments. But that no longer exists. Everything is now so global and change so rapid that government cannot save anything.

As for if I want it to happen? Well I certainly see a real opportunity to come up with new ways of living as well as undoing some of the social changes of the past 70 years. Of course that's an opportunity and not a guarantee. Ideologies don't form societies but rather change is usually a lot more organic. So I certainly see it as a good time for experimentation. Not sure if what will emerge will be "Good".

lowkey https://canadianpatriot.org/2022/11...d-the-rise-of-the-predictive-modelling-mafia/

 

[Some_porcupine]

View: https://youtu.be/t-SIHRANLwQ
relating to this topic, i feel like this is a great video to watch

when everyone is [in uni], no one is

 

[Some_porcupine]

I just like the idea of a reset, a blank slate that puts everyone on a more even playing field. A real wake up call is needed to restore some sense of humanity. Some sort of collapse or cataclysmic event is the only real way to achieve it though. Eerything has just felt so surreal and disconnected since the lockdowns started. People I knew just aren't the same, it's all just so hard to accurately pinpoint and describe.

Even if a total societal breakdown is unlikely, there's no denying that the west is in the midst of a painful decline. And the worst part is that culturally they seem to be bringing it upon themselves by teaching self hatred, victim mentality, and "woke" ideologies. The boardroom approach to cinema and music hasn't helped either, and modern art is a money laundering joke.

At this point I think there's a lot of angry people who would risk it all just to get a taste of revenge against the elites and general corruption. Could just be your typical "all talk, no action" internet tough guy bullshit but idk normal people seem to be more keen on the fuckery going on and are getting sick of it.

I'm mostly content with life, I have food, a place to sleep, and refuge in hobbies. I don't really care what happens either way, I'd like to believe I have a good enough head on my shoulders to make it through whatever bullshit is next, whether it's the great boogaloo or just a mundane slip into a complete dystopia.

my takes

26. februára 2020, 7:32

https://sites.google.com/view/filozofia-blog-zloha/blogy/pt-i#h.ponkmi10l6y1
Maaad​

• Crony capitalism, govt-owned media, bottle-up everything, denial bias & abuse, pay for everything, (i)-don't-need-that-when-everyone-else-have-it (#idntweeht) - no-such-thing-as-a-must (#nstaam),
• fun-to-no-asking-about-everything (#ftnaaet), schools learning students to (no-think) conform and obey what they (teacher) don't ever agree or understand to - learning ballast, cheap workforce, artificial foods, GMO, age of programers, fear of AI, lost of work position, dumbing people and art, copyright everything that it is able to, monetize world, world of ads,
• comformity prison, thought prison, lampshading, bias for bias - denial for denial, tragedy of lowest common denominator, irony of individuality, gestalt of rebels, independent ideas of same things on other site of the world,
• but-i-am-not-the-same, much ado about nothing, fictional scarcity and demand, printhead market model, Brave new world & F451, akkasha and copyright of mind, Library of Alexandria?, at-tip-of-our-noses-all-the-time-right-on-the-eyes, pain of boredom,

doublethink and (mora(aaaa)l) zombies, loss of mind - thought - integrity - persona - morals & values - critical thinking, #fomo...


25. februára 2020, 8:00

25. februára 2020, 8:00

#borgeuois pigs?

#crohnberg capitalism


25. februára 2020, 7:49

Prečo sa východ cíti ohrození západnými hodnotami

Američania sa báli komunizmu pre svoju jednoduchosť

Asi si nevedeli pripustiť, že peniaze nie vždy všetko vyriešia (lieky, inzulín, škola...)

Na papieri [kom.] znel pekne, horšie však bolo, keď ľudia systém, v ktorom žijú, začali spoznávať a búriť sa proti nemu (čo sme sa nič nenaučili, čo nevieme, že majetok spraví málokoho naveky šťastného...?)

Nacionalizmus a národovstvo sa rozšírili po východnej, jv a južnej Európe, náznaky, variácie a odnože možno badať aj na jej západe;

Nacionalizmus ako priamy potomok zvrátenej globalistickej ľavicovej demokracie


25. februára 2020, 7:18

West Bi***

Prepoj všetko a potom sa nečuduj, keď sa vyskytne maniak, čo to všetko jedným tlačidlom zničí

Závislosť na importe (exporte) a mamone, sila peňazí, odcudzenie...

Severský socializmus, južný trh, východná filozofia a západná demokracia


Prečo sa juh a východ cítia utlačované a vykorisťováné západom, keď ho čas od času sami vykorisťujú?


Stieranie rozdielu medzi vykoristovateľom a vykorisťovaným

Nevidíme si ďalej od nosa, alebo sme ignoranti?

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#Copyright isn't (real) thing if you never own anything in your life, even "your" life itself (music - notes & accords, concepts...)​

#How to make zombies out of the people; hypes and musts aren't real if you are not able to be manipulated; tragedy of commons

#Erosion of mind/soul; no common sense left; nearsightedness of people; soc. programming - where is my personality and how to change my quirks

#How prosperity make us bad and poor from inside of our souls

#Love that what hurts

#You can't handle the truth(?); truth subjectivity/objectivity

#I think what others are thinking and thus can't think of anything else and do nothing properly; thinking of previous (mistakes in) thoughts

#contingency; abuse of power from both sides (strong & weak)

#I can't connect my thoughts (biased) properly

#We are the only ones who can set us free

#[China] is doing this s*i* only to itself, harming itself

#Paying (us) for spent time on web by making tasks (time-based currency)

#Why Comm. couldn't work in reality; and in 21st century?

#Homeland-based economy

#Is points-by value system (e. g. 20 € - 5 points/total 150) scam?

#Threats of e-cash only, loss of anonymity - evil plan of deanonymity

#How what we are fighting against destroy us in the end

#Trigger (fear) nation, brainwashed (herd) sheep

#!Good intentions gone wrong

#You don't need new things every 2 years

#Money slaves, false flags, bread & games...?

#Conformity slaves, tech -- human memory loss

#Thin line between truth & lies/ info & propaganda (brain-soup)

#Reality worse than fiction


#what make us different from animals/robots?

#ecology vs. private ownership

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https://sites.google.com/view/filozofia-blog-zloha/blogy/pt-i#h.9eignzwkes1k
#Crony post-capitalism​

#Bad things happens - when pretty people fin dout how much pretty they are

#How cash and expensive clothes doesn't matter in the end

#Race for things, death, happiness

#Raising narcissists/snowflakes

#How good things are actually bad (Baudelaire)

#Subversion of values over decades

#Fear of lost jobs & else (AI)

https://sites.google.com/view/filozofia-blog-zloha/blogy/pt-i#h.oj0jho6tqk72
#How You know What You don't know (And need to know)?​

#Uniques will tear people apart (Snowflake)

#Is (all) Internet lib-oriented and anarchy-about

#How we can tell truth from lies - and how media want to destroy this ability

#Things (from life/movies) that only happens in the America

#Sadness - and amount of info. we know

#What is holding the World from becoming 1984/Brave New World/F 451; #Is there a "precedence" to not became 1984 society?

#[Netflix, Disney+, ...] & easy-to-control population

#Why is everything (films, books, -) so expensive

#"The highest bidder starts the war"

#"Want" to please everyone (films)

#!Internet "grew up" and becomes (something) what it swore never to become

*#Cringe about the Internet is that it is not full of cringe anymore

*#B(y)ro Internet filters/censors, no free speech, right(s) for higher bidder, media control, ...

#Internet vs. Internet bubbles


!!Why people fall from history "lessons" (propaganda, mind control, - agenda...)?

#Ban of the truth & objectivity (one, only, wrong opinion); Ban on (indiv. mind) thought(s)?


#Why Eu. nations feel opressed by EU vs. Am./China/Prorus. nationalism (E Europe)

#Why we can't be honest, why we need agents, surveillance and Top secret('s)?

#Google Alts. (Reason for superiority)

#Gender and interruption issues (mainly, biased) as red herring(s) from real problem(s)

#Why Comms. failled (IF you are now oppresed by class, time and wage)??

#Youngsters & Anticap., sollution for non-monetary soc.


#Carlin; Memory optimism; Now I don't gonna make it (for it's own sake)


#Tradition vs. Innovation

#You don't need comp. every 2 years/End of Moore's law (when)?

#Modular comps. & other appliances


##Why there are no Ans. for my Qs. on Google (biased; thinktank)? - diff. results between log-in/-out


#If you are reasonable person, ads for you are no-use (why there are ads if no-one clicks on them anymore?)

#Damage of common people; why we always want more, something new, ...


#When will big corps. (G/MS/Comcast(?) fall?; Colossality as Achilles' heel (÷use their own medicine)

#Why people don't act naturally (as nature does)?


#What if fool had truth (unindocrinated), but no-none listens to him - and then, it's too late?

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26. februára 2020, 7:32

Maaad

Crony capitalism, govt-owned media, bottle-up everything, denial bias & abuse, pay for everything, (i)-don't-need-that-when-everyone-else-have-it (#idntweeht) - no-such-thing-as-a-must (#nstaam), fun-to-no-asking-about-everything (#ftnaaet), schools learning students to (no-think) conform and obey what they (teacher) don't ever agree or understand to - learning ballast, cheap workforce, artificial foods, GMO, age of programers, fear of AI, lost of work position, dumbing people and art, copyright everything that it is able to, monetize world, world of ads, comformity prison, thought prison, lampshading, bias for bias - denial for denial, tragedy of lowest common denominator, irony of individuality, gestalt of rebels, independent ideas of same things on other site of the world, but-i-am-not-the-same, much ado about nothing, fictional scarcity and demand, printhead market model, Brave new world & F451, akkasha and copyright of mind, Library of Alexandria?, at-tip-of-our-noses-all-the-time-right-on-the-eyes, pain of boredom, doublethink and (moral) zombies, loss of mind - thought - integrity - persona - morals & values - critical thinking, #fomo...

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30 > 31/10/22, 23/58-ish​

Prečo ubližujem („") sám sebe?: Chýba mi vzrušenie. Toto ennui... Ale prečo ma to stále drží, baví?: Pretože potom by som pravdepodobne musel robiť niečo zmysluplné, významné, hmatateľné - niečo, z čoho mám strach. - Prečo?: Pretože môžem urobiť chybu, možno to zničiť, stratí to v mojich očiach na význame a hodnote hneď, ako bude 99,99% hotových.(..)
Odkiaľ tento strach, myšlienky naň, prichádzajú? /Zlá cesta/: Nie je to tak, že si schválne bol divný, len aby si opovrhnutiahodne „nebol ako všetci ostatní"? Ale koho možno z toh(t)o viniť? Nechce toto väčšina ľudí? Snáď som opakoval po druhých. Alebo; to, čo som robil, sa nedalo nikam zaradiť; takže som bol neviditeľný. Nuž, dosiahol som opak: - S nikým som sa nebavil, nemal nič (s nimi; schválne) spoločné. - Je toto to, čo som z(a)mýšľal?
Snáď som si (dokonca) myslel, že divné ľudí priťahuje. No popravde, vlastne si už ani nepamätám čo, prečo a ako bol „môj cieľ." (Liberál, čo sa kamaráti s každým a nemá nepriateľov (nevie ako na to)... Ale vlastne nemá ani vlastnú hlavu, nápady (aj keď vlastne, nikoho vlastne nie sú vlastné...))
Lož. Nehysáč, keď s tým (glob. otepľ., k(r)apitalizmus, „FBI"...) nedokáže (? profit???) nikto nič spraviť. Len obviňujete tých, čo majú (ten) najmenší dopad, hádžete (pre)vinu... Odporné, otras(né), detinské, poburujúce, hlúpe...
- Ale chápem („" - nechcem) - idú do toho; a sú z toho prachy - no samozrejme. Zombie spoločnosť, čo žije z vlastnej (Západ) minulej slávy, pochopiteľne, nemá nič iné v rukáve; (nič iné) na výber. Chcel by som sa čudovať - nemám čomu - snáď to (ak; toto všetko; bolo takto vždy(cky)- v skutočnosti kultúra, alebo ako tento zeitgest, pre-hauntológiu nazvať - tak zo 20-30 rokov je kultúra, jej piliere, morálka - všetko je to mŕtve.
Vždy bolo. Nebudeme, nie sme jediní, kto to má, cíti takto. Bolo to takto vždy - no nie?!
Či už kvitujete akejkoľvek ideológii, je jasné, že bez pevne stanovených východísk, medzí -cieľov- nie je možné, aby tento svet stále takto, týmto štýlom, fungoval neustále.
Buď-to priority, alebo chaos; rozpad, rozklad; bezcieľne, bezvýchodiskové čakanie na blažený koniec čohosi beztvarého...
/Never tým, čo hovoria v mene všetkých ~ nemožné, podozrivé...

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11/57pm - 2am, 2/2/-3/2/23​

Good if I wanted to, but I am kinda afraid that if left my guard, then bad things would happen, or my tongue will slip - but it is more of made-up fear in my head, than reality. That could happen, but in there, I see it, I guess, extremely exgagereded. I cant do anything, or *my bad self* will win - I am afraid of it. I dont want to be bad, egoistic, some type of CEO psychpath. I am never like that, but I can never know. It is just fear. I am scared of failure, you
can tell too. I am scared how I look like, how others see me. Yet I will rarely change for them. It is as if I betrayed myself, thrown away all I "worked" on. Is it stupid or normal human feeling, behaviour, dilemma? Well, I would call it that, - normal. In my case too, it seems. I never mantained any Self, I hate pretending. I am not formed by anything much, most of the time. Even if those were lies - why? Why then I still bother to care!? Because if I havent, no one
will? Lies. No one knows me. Yes. Nor myself pretty much. Tragedy. Or relief? As in what. I hardly try to answe that tho. It is just random idea now, with/out any "folder" in my head to reference to. To know; form oneself - is it must, is it "just hobby", stupid, useless, or even painful? - I would love to leave my past behind, yet, I am morbidly afraid that if I do (that), then I will "throw out baby too with bathtub water" - that then, it will be extremely hard
and time-consuming to build another "Me" anew, from scratch. Lies too? I feel empty, so why this presumption there? Or I am not as empty as I thought, and I still care. Yet I cant answer that, Why. Memory block? Never analysed *that* properly? Am I afraid of that? "What worst could happen?" - emotionally, *my* world will "fell apart". After reasoning, it is only that. No one needs to know about this. Even if I will write this down in my blog as prolly my last
message (reason: lack of themes, I told you, people, all traumas, fears, doubts I got on my mind), nothing much will change. I will just lie again to myself how everything is bad-good and how I, cryptically and vocally too, hate hypocrites and stupid laws - despite being like this, one big phonie, being disgusted of them. Well, I am, of myself too, - why (do) you think I am writting this!? I lie lie lie all the time. To myself. Do I feel happy? Maybe I am taking things
as "forever-there-to-be"s. Not being thankful. Still comparing and complaining (hehe *ouch*, it rhymes), never to be pleased. Root...? Or just this "modern illness"? When things are not enough for me, how *I* can be enough for myself?! Sounds simple-stupid, isnt it. Is Society, Postmodernism to blame? Culture, Nurture? Or is it just my fault to "not be tough enough!"? But then, *some* people hate people to be that. Is resilient better word? Thankful? Problem, you
see, is - you actually can pick (from present options) - isnt this the tragedy? Over-whelming number of options? What you *can* be, become, fight for... "As/How one donkey died over *indecisivness*", you see. - But is it plan, actual conspiracy? Present so many options (that) one gets mad, loose head over options - but then, there are only two parties? Isnt that stupid? Or, is it just so stupidly obvious, one just cant see it in front of their own eyes!? Disgustingly
genial... More like, genital (oof). Ass or tits!? When you got only one of two options, while being bombarded with so many opinions and (funded) ScIeNtIfIc DiScOvErIeS, one can wonder how in the fuck people can still take it! Hardly. I wonder too. Not painting devil on wall, but it is obvious to (at least) me, there is something going to happen, as more people will figure out this *one* too. (Un)fortunetly, not everyone got hardly any time for navel-gazing theses
in their heads as this one, or even time for writting that all out. Not alone trying to push counter-agenda. Not saying people dont know what they are doing or why. Or anything on politics. - But everything dont have to be personal, labeled, or political. Living in Western world for you means, you hold onto tradition of it, in common. No Left, no Right. Being decent. Not lying unless for chivalry reasons . Being true, not good-good for clout or "points"
- do it, preach what you do, but dont make truth out of lies. Dont jump because everyone else is too - ask first. Ask what is going on, why, how. If we went to question reality and self-imposed states of mind (concepts), life could be clearer and less confussing. Not saying there will be no problems, only that there will be only those that are more-or-less valid. When you ask, this chaos, sometimes beautiful, can be more bearable. When you know Why, you understand
what are they/m people fighting for or against. I call this no-ask world Zombie-one. You maybe heard about Vaporwave (outside of music genre), Hauntology, (Aenomoia) or Monument Mythos. Something like that, if not basically that. Are we afraid to question things from fear of losing them, them being stolen from us by some Bad actors, or that we will be labeled, marked as conspirators (let it be what it meant before, or even after shift of meaning)? At least *here*
(head), it seems so. But isnt it that without pain, rebels and struggle, doubts, we could value those things we have? Or, even save to say, start to think about those things, thoughts, and these questions of "Why" (is it *this way*), on alone!?! That all is valid, nice and based. What isnt tho is, playing with emotions. Our lowest denominators. No one is safe from them. When thinking about it, maybe how we react to stimuli, not how we see ouselves, is what we Are.
Us, "Me" (Just little idea *moment*). But what is opposite of that, is my guilt. Is there shame too? Why is it so? I wonder too. Maybe it is just erro in my head, no enough "grass touched" (doubt), or only that "no one needs me" (no job). Is wanting not to fight, for man, bad? Is it what makes me "sad"? Or just that everyone else wants to only to forgot themselves (for them, then, to had no need to wrote something *like this alone*). I tried to "consoome", but it is
no longer fun. It is just distraction, from reality, real problems. Solvable or not, pretended or made-up (baka brain!), it hurts the same... And I lie. I do things I hate in others. God, I'll hate them in myself too. But as I said, I am so afraid *of it*...

 

[Njordr]

Believing in society collapsing is a normal fear to have.
Wanting society to collapse is pussy bitch shit and makes you gay as hell

I don't particularly want society to collapse that would be too inconvenient however I most definitely want the nuclear holocaust to go ahead and start. I think Nuclear war would solve more issues than it would start. Normalizing Nuclear exchanges would scare governments into doing their job.

But then again you have a very one-sided opinion that does not leave much to discuss you fail to take into consideration all the shit the a societal collapse would improve in the long run after everything comes back together.

 

[Some_porcupine]

I don't particularly want society to collapse that would be too inconvenient however I most definitely want the nuclear holocaust to go ahead and start. I think Nuclear war would solve more issues than it would start. Normalizing Nuclear exchanges would scare governments into doing their job.

But then again you have a very one-sided opinion that does not leave much to discuss you fail to take into consideration all the shit the a societal collapse would improve in the long run after everything comes back together.

infinite struggle to keep world moving
revol. by revol.
...

 

[turntableToothache]

I have been collecting bottle caps for over 5 years, my collection is nearing 1000 as days go by. Fallout is accurate to real life, so I can't wait for society to collapse so I can become a bottle cap millionare without having to lift a finger.

 

[Pangolin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WPB2u8EzL8
I've been posting this video for half a year now, but I think its too advanced for most of the forum since most people can't make it through. Spells out the doom nice and neatly, but then bittersweetly provides hope for a species-wide rejuvenation away from our current decline.

Make no mistake, the decline is happening around us. We are ruining the natural environment, depleting precious resources, spending too much energy to obtain energy, and worst of all polluting far too much and all for the stupid prize of money. Once they really ruin the oceans and cause it to heat enough to damage the oxygen-producing bacteria we will see how far you get with less free oxygen.

I think its funny that people think things wont end or that somehow technology will miraculously save us. Everything has an end, if it has a start its required to have an end. How exactly will the same technology that is ravaging the natural environment save us? Can someone enlighten a Pangolin? What I am seeing here is that our techno-civilization is running out of steam and we are too dependent on a source of energy that was never intended to last forever. We spend far too much energy extracting and processing that energy in order to have energy for productive uses. Alternative, sources of energy are far too resource intensive, and barely provide the bountiful supply of energy that we have come to rely on in the form of fossil fuels. And no, the point isn't that we have 300 years of fossil fuel energy, but rather that we have a limited supply of fossil fuel energy that can be obtained at a sufficiently high energy return on investment to enable our modern comfortable lives.

Worst of all we use this critical resource in careless and wasteful applications further encroaching on the limited time our civilization has left. All in the hopes that the techno-gods will bless us with some mystical break through that will save us. Like a junkie looking to get their latest fix.

Fusion - Nope. Lmfao. its been 10 years away for over 70 years. Worst of all the current levels of investment aren't even enough to maintain enough subject matter experts so we actually lose know-how on this item and as a result have glacial progress.

Nuclear - Nope, thanks a lot boomers but you fucked us here too with your fear of Chernobyl where some guy intentionally pushed a flawed reactor design to catastrophe. And thanks to your lack of investment in this critical resource it is far too little too late to save your retirement nest-egg.

Wind/Solar - If the sun don't shine and the wind don't blow we will..... do nothing I guess.

Batteries - Lets use a critical resource of lithium and use it far more intensely. Reminder that using things far more efficiently causes us to use more of it also known as Jevon's Paradox. More reading here and elsewhere: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox

Let us rejoice that the end of the civilization is near

I think the greatest part of all this is how the universe/fate/real world doesn't tell us when the collapse is coming. Like a story of our literary forefathers, we don't know when precisely is the hour of our undoing. (It would be boring if we knew when).

Like a tower of Jenga, it may sway, but it is not known unto mortal hearts when the collapse will happen, or in which direction. It keeps the excitement at maximum by keeping you guessing! It could be today....or tomorrow...or next year? Or in a decade? Or maybe outside of yours, or my, mortal lives!

Okay lets move onto the subject of money. Money is supposed to repesent some sort of quantity of labor, or products. Since after all, what is the point of a currency if it can't buy you anything? The panglo-dollar isn't accepted anywhere despite having plentiful supply. Is there anyone who is willing to accept the 100 Panglo-dollar note?

But then inflation is destructive to the value of currency. Its supposed to represent there being more goods in the economy, but what then of when its printed with reckless abandon? Are we really having such a massive growth of supply? It devalues the currency, robbing the bottom and middle classes to enrich the rich. So the currency is supposedly tied to the real world, meaning I give you dollars and you give me a carton of milk. But then, what of the resources used to obtain the milk? Are they really only worth that money? So I give you an item of real value fixed and free of government-printing for paper scraps that can only drop in value? Is then my best move to get rid of said note as fast as possible? Are you seeing the disconnect here. I am trading for something of value with something of no durable value.

Lets not even get into the stock market, something totally devoid of reality. So I buy these contracts that represent ownership in a corporation, hope they appreciate in value and also outpace inflation? Lmfao.

The future

We likely won't become starfarers if things continue the way they do. Instead things will regress towards a lower technological state until they find some stable ground. What happens between the now and then won't be pretty and I am sure there's gonna be some sort of population collapse. We are already seeing that happen as birth rates stall out. Less people having less baby means less people to have less people. We will reach a stable number - I hope. This would be the optimal way, the other way is massive bloodshed in various wars for resources. We already see the US engaging in things like this as a marauder-nation.

I predict more of a subsistence living. Farming without mechanization. With legends about our advanced civilization where we had machines to do X and Y and Z. Where people could travel to all corners of the globe. With whatever surviving technology being used to its fullest extent and maybe much further depending on what kind of repairs are possible. With things being scavenged from the ruins of hive-cities, and sources of knowledge (books?) being extremely coveted.

 

[Pangolin]

Oh yeah I forgot to add. Technological improvements are appearing at an rapidly falling pace of speed.

But technological improvements to increase efficiency also have the downsides of increased costs for various goods and also more points of failure. An example being the venerable fridge. Notice how fridges from the 60s seem to outlast modern refrigerators with all their fancy efficiencies and features.

Or how cars with all their new techno-wizardry to enable more efficient and less polluting travel also introduce new failure points. ECU broke? No drivey for you. Theres all sorts of various other reasons why modern cars suck and can only get worse, but I want to leave you wanting more.

 

[handoferis]

People have been predicting a societal collapse for literally fucking ever, it's never happened yet, I doubt it'll happen now, and if for whatever reason it did, I'd just off myself. I have no delusions of being some kind of wasteland warrior like some people apparently do.

I'm here for a good time, not a long time.

 

[Pangolin]

I don't particularly want society to collapse that would be too inconvenient however I most definitely want the nuclear holocaust to go ahead and start. I think Nuclear war would solve more issues than it would start. Normalizing Nuclear exchanges would scare governments into doing their job.

But then again you have a very one-sided opinion that does not leave much to discuss you fail to take into consideration all the shit the a societal collapse would improve in the long run after everything comes back together.

There wouldn't be anymore civilization after a nuclear exchange. What government would be left to get scared.
There wouldn't even be an opportunity to roam the radioactive wasteland because itd only be frozen and sunless and dangerously radioactive.

 

[jonathan_fluoride]

potentially apocryphal, but i always enjoy seeing this quote (supposedly) from an assyrian tablet dating back to around 3000 BC

"Our Earth is degenerate in these later days; there are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end; bribery and corruption are common; children no longer obey their parents; every man wants to write a book and the end of the world is evidently approaching."​

 

[Njordr]

There wouldn't be anymore civilization after a nuclear exchange. What government would be left to get scared.
There wouldn't even be an opportunity to roam the radioactive wasteland because itd only be frozen and sunless and dangerously radioactive.

You put too little faith in humanity's ability to thrive and succeed under any circumstances. Humans by default will always find a way not only to survive but thrive to find people that they can work together with and love.

 

[Pangolin]

You put too little faith in humanity's ability to thrive and succeed under any circumstances. Humans by default will always find a way not only to survive but thrive to find people that they can work together with and love.

Those are a lot of great words and feelings of hope but where exactly is your plan to grow food and livestock without the sun?

There are certain... Biological limits to a plan like this.

 

[handoferis]

Those are a lot of great words and feelings of hope but where exactly is your plan to grow food and livestock without the sun?

There are certain... Biological limits to a plan like this.

yeah this is the equivalent of making plans to go out next week, shortly after being shot four times in the stomach