On The Topic Of A Societal Collapse

[Pangolin]

yeah this is the equivalent of making plans to go out next week, shortly after being shot four times in the stomach

I think it's the equivalent of making plans to marry and have kids and become rich after being set on fire, blended, set on fire again, dunked in acid and set on fire again.

 

[i_am]

personally i dont think society will collapse in conventional means, you know the heat big freeze theory for how the universe will end, where all energy is gone and all that's left are black holes? I think it'll be like that for humanity, where even though we may exist for thousands of years more--our evolution in philosophy, art and ideas will ultimately be absent.

Notice how everyone says the same joke about how 100 years ago, people imagined flying cars? The entire point of the joke is that compared to today, the people of the past were optimistic and imagined a brighter future, while our current people today see no hope, besides maybe a 1% increase in their wages.

I think we will just not imagine anything anymore, the lack of ideas is quite concerning yet at the same time it really feels moody for a dystopian post-apocalyptic world-building setting where thought and ambitions have ended.

 

[Pangolin]

Frankly I am more interested in returning to a stable existence in harmony with the planet. I am not interested in dying on some planet somewhere theres no oxygen or water. I just want to live in peace, tend to some crops, tend to my pangolin-family, and maybe read a few books that were scavenged out of various ruins of libraries.

Not interested in our highly inefficient, inhumane, ruinous existence, where every single scrap of dollar and value has to be extracted or its "wasteful" and where the vast majority of humans are one change in the profit/cost balance away from the unemployment line.

Its in-humane, its deeply un-human, and I am sick of this shit. I finally have words to explain my deep displeasure with the world and a desire to see it all burn down. I know it seems morbid, but it really all does have to burn down. To be free, we have to burn it all down.

 

[SundryKlepto453]

i think anybody interested in societal collapse should definitely watch this video:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WPB2u8EzL8


it's a very very sober and logical look at what societies exactly are and the systems behind them, an in-depths look at the core moving parts of a structure like our society. it mostly all boils down to Energy Return On Investment, a system like our society must increase its Energy Return to grow, and during that growth it evolves complexities to more efficiently harvest that Energy Return and it's almost impossible to de-complexify. and the short and long of this video is that unless we develop cold fusion (or similar advancement in Energy Return) our society will totally collapse at the hands of resource depletion and over-complexification, it's simply inevitable. and the sooner it happens the more of our natural world can be saved. so hopefully "collapse", as communities around the internet call it (on >reddit /Collapseaware) happens sooner rather than later.

 

[Some_porcupine]

zoomers giving up - lets discuss

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[mesaprotector]

"If the world is about to end, plant a tree." - paraphrase from the Islamic Hadiths

I'm an unhappy person; I know this. During COVID I had it pretty good - I lived with my friend for six months doing house repairs, then I moved up to Alaska where nobody cared about lockdowns and made more friends than I've ever made in my life. Meanwhile the rest of the world, finally, was miserable. I think the lockdowns (aside from the first couple months when we really didn't know what was going on) were a horrible mistake. But I definitely felt a sense of peace I never had before or since that finally, most people were as lonely and bored as I was. In normal times, the great majority of people are happy. And you feel so alone being depressed. But for about a year, I wasn't alone.

Societal collapse is a nice fantasy. You're deluding yourself if you think it'd be an overall good. You wish for it because you envy the normal person's happiness, and you yourself have given up on ever being happy. So the only way left to deal with the envy to bring everyone else down to your level.

I saw a quote somewhere that what man fears most is not dying, but the world continuing on after he dies. That resonates with me. If the world ended, I'd be fine. But the idea of missing out on human history, of leaving my friends and family behind, that terrifies me.

 

[Pangolin]

i think anybody interested in societal collapse should definitely watch this video:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WPB2u8EzL8


it's a very very sober and logical look at what societies exactly are and the systems behind them, an in-depths look at the core moving parts of a structure like our society. it mostly all boils down to Energy Return On Investment, a system like our society must increase its Energy Return to grow, and during that growth it evolves complexities to more efficiently harvest that Energy Return and it's almost impossible to de-complexify. and the short and long of this video is that unless we develop cold fusion (or similar advancement in Energy Return) our society will totally collapse at the hands of resource depletion and over-complexification, it's simply inevitable. and the sooner it happens the more of our natural world can be saved. so hopefully "collapse", as communities around the internet call it (on >reddit /Collapseaware) happens sooner rather than later.

How to Enjoy the End of the World

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WPB2u8EzL8 Even though our civilization is dying, there is massive opportunity for each of us. Opportunity is ringing a massive bell, and our generation decides whether our species becomes spacefaring or fossilized.

forum.agoraroad.com

There's a thread dedicated to this video.

 

[Some_porcupine]

Societal collapse is a nice fantasy. You're deluding yourself if you think it'd be an overall good. You wish for it because you envy the normal person's happiness, and you yourself have given up on ever being happy. So the only way left to deal with the envy to bring everyone else down to your level.

what was weird was, that 3 months before iirc (before it came to Slovakia), i felt shit and wished everyone else was too...
in retrospect, redditors tried to "call up" UFO/aliens "into reality"
so if most of people felt the same, and were in hate or some very strong, negative mood - could they , "we", "attracted" (The Secret, book) COVID?

but then, all we see then is, because people want war, "attracting it"?
ah, if it was this easy lol, to not move a finger - but too, abusing negative emotions, and using them in contrary ways even if wishes colud be noble...?