Otherkin, Therian and Alterhuman

[Junious]

I feel like most furries and people with these animal identities are just livestock farmers without a herd due to space money or time constraints. As a rancher you merge biologically with the beast. They are born into your arms and die by your hand. You decide who fucks who and when, and then maybe you take the resulting offspring and eat them or sell them. You will push a prolapsed uterus back into a beloved ewe after a difficult birth and warm a naked lamb with your bare flesh to save it on a cold winter morning. Milk the mother, and then split what you get with the baby. Oh, and you get absolutely covered in these animals shit piss and drool. It's not a sexual thing in general, but I hear in New Zealand they prefer ewes to the local lasses. You talk to some ranchers and they got a phone full of cow pictures that would put your neko art collection to shame. Deer hunters too, these guys can be downright religious with how much they love deer. Drawing them, thinking about them, talking about them, and eventually, shooting, killing, gutting and butchering them. The urge to rear livestock is something fundamentally human, and could these otherkin lifestyles be a sort of outlet/perversion of this urge in the context of a sick society that disconnects man from his meat?

 

[CognacDefender]

I'm going to reply to the OP regardless of the insane derailing that went on here lul.

I personally think that there is a real fine line when it comes to this otherkin stuff. It's foolish to try to act like it's not a sexual/fetish thing for the majority of vocal people who practice this. And I have a serious problem with people making their fetishes MY problem by them being thrust into my unsuspecting eyes.
I have, IRL, experienced otherkin weirdos who go around saying that they are "in heat" and wearing collars and other sexual degeneracy. I hate it, and I hate that fetish shit has become so acceptable out in the open. Do it at home.

Now that I've gotten the fetishtards out of the way, I will give my opinion on the side that does not identify with it for sexual reasons.

I think that, first of all, making fun of teenagers for engaging in creative play is a certified Retard Move. I think that whatever gets teens excited to create art, write stories, or engage in wholesome roleplay is exactly what we need in a society where the younger generations are coming up on braindead due to how uncreative and uninspired they are. (Obviously it's horrific that the degenerates from my above paragraph also exist in these teen spaces)

And I saw people mentioning a lot that they noticed girls/women tend to take part in this culture more than boys/men. And I'm going to put my very annoying feminist hat on and give my theory. It's exactly why there are so many fakebois.

Growing up and hitting puberty as a girl is something that men seem to not really have a concept of, but it is extremely unpleasant with a side of body horror. You're telling me I now BLEED out of my WHAT? And if I partake in the thing boys are now pressuring me into (sex) I can have a literal Alien Xenomorph take over my organs that will after 9 months force its way out of my genitals, not caring if it rips all the way to my asshole in the process?

Yeah, I think most can understand wanting to animorph into a horse (or a man trans style) with that angle presented.

I've gone on for too long, but to lightly touch on adults (that are not developmentally disabled) participating in this for fun and not sex reasons, good for you just do not make people uncomfortable in your daily life. Gain self awareness and be aware of your affect on others. Don't fucking bark at me at the grocery store, but wear your little wolf tail and I'll see it and smile. Because I LIKE individuality, and the world needs more people being themselves in a way that's not a detriment to others' comfort.

I went to a 1940's reenactment in a town up in rural Hampshire and I saw a person with a rainbow skirt, fake wolf ears and a tail and felt nothing but embarrasment so I don't know what your talking about.

 

[Pink Fluffy Cat]

I feel like most furries and people with these animal identities are just livestock farmers without a herd due to space money or time constraints. As a rancher you merge biologically with the beast. They are born into your arms and die by your hand. You decide who fucks who and when, and then maybe you take the resulting offspring and eat them or sell them. You will push a prolapsed uterus back into a beloved ewe after a difficult birth and warm a naked lamb with your bare flesh to save it on a cold winter morning. Milk the mother, and then split what you get with the baby. Oh, and you get absolutely covered in these animals shit piss and drool. It's not a sexual thing in general, but I hear in New Zealand they prefer ewes to the local lasses. You talk to some ranchers and they got a phone full of cow pictures that would put your neko art collection to shame. Deer hunters too, these guys can be downright religious with how much they love deer. Drawing them, thinking about them, talking about them, and eventually, shooting, killing, gutting and butchering them. The urge to rear livestock is something fundamentally human, and could these otherkin lifestyles be a sort of outlet/perversion of this urge in the context of a sick society that disconnects man from his meat?

interesting perspective, I do consider a "traditional rancher" lifestyle as my ideal one, unfortunately I'm born in a highly urbanized third shithole which made such a thing impossible for me.

 

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[Jade]

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This book is so good, one of my favorite animorphs books

 

[bnuungus]

guys, what if this is just kolph doing round 2 of pretending to be someone else?

interesting perspective, I do consider a "traditional rancher" lifestyle as my ideal one, unfortunately I'm born in a highly urbanized third shithole which made such a thing impossible for me.

I think you might enjoy this youtube channel if you haven't come across it already https://www.youtube.com/@NotJustBikes

 

[Jessica3cho雪血⊜青意]

guys, what if this is just kolph doing round 2 of pretending to be someone else?

If so, honestly, at least this one has me entertained and he apparently draws like a champ.

 

[PizzaW0lf]

I'm a frog because I like jumping, ponds and ribbiting.

Ever since I saw pepe back in 2009, I felt a deep connection to the frog.

On all levels except physical, I am Pepe.

 

[lingo]

I Feel Like Im Hu Man Being T B H

 

[vale-aroma]

I have a lot more respect for otherkins/therians than I do furries. The former are very adjacent to what many others have pointed out, that nearly every culture/religion has had some notion of humans identifying on a personal level with animals, seeing themselves reflected or depicted in non-human creatures. I think it's easy to say that when they did it (they being, some culture in the past or another part of the world) it's different and normal because we only know it on the sepia-toned pages of a dusty book that massages out the fleshy reality of it. I don't see what tumblr kids do in this regard as anything different, we just react more viscerally as it has more immediacy, it's not something distant, it's something very clear, very real, and many people react accordingly.

Furries however, I have much more disdain for. People often make fun of furries with charges of bestiality, but I don't think that's often true. Fursuits look nothing like animals, they're weird cartoon plastic caricatures, they look like sports mascots with unnatural proportions, fake petroleum-based colors, and synthetic materials. It's extremely unnatural and gaudy, looking at them, I don't see someone who identifies with an animal - I see someone who identifies with children's cartoons. There's certainly a more animist component far, far upstream, but it shows how far our culture is degraded, that for so many, this is filtered through countless layers of artifice and commercial reproduction, that the mind's eye of the individual can only see in pastel-plastic color palates.

 

[W1NTER]

I feel like most furries and people with these animal identities are just livestock farmers without a herd due to space money or time constraints. As a rancher you merge biologically with the beast. They are born into your arms and die by your hand. You decide who fucks who and when, and then maybe you take the resulting offspring and eat them or sell them. You will push a prolapsed uterus back into a beloved ewe after a difficult birth and warm a naked lamb with your bare flesh to save it on a cold winter morning. Milk the mother, and then split what you get with the baby. Oh, and you get absolutely covered in these animals shit piss and drool. It's not a sexual thing in general, but I hear in New Zealand they prefer ewes to the local lasses. You talk to some ranchers and they got a phone full of cow pictures that would put your neko art collection to shame. Deer hunters too, these guys can be downright religious with how much they love deer. Drawing them, thinking about them, talking about them, and eventually, shooting, killing, gutting and butchering them. The urge to rear livestock is something fundamentally human, and could these otherkin lifestyles be a sort of outlet/perversion of this urge in the context of a sick society that disconnects man from his meat?

something something blood memory

 

[stonehead]

Ok, serious question, because I've read 8 pages and still have no answer:

What   is an otherkin?

@Pink_fluffy_cat says it's not  actually believing you're a literal cat. It seems to be just really liking/identifying with an animal, but we already have terms for that. "Normal" people call themselves cat-people and dog-people all the time. And I've talked to some a reasonable amount, I think it's fair to say they  identify with dogs/cats a fair amount.

It's hard to convey suptext clearly through text, but I'm not trying to be rude or difficult, I genuinely don't understand. What's the difference between a cat-kin or dog-kin and a cat person or dog person?

 

[WALFTEAM]

my understanding is that they believe that you were meant to be born as a non-human being but through some cosmic mistake were born as a human. what that being should have been varies wildly. could be an animal, could be some alien, could be some mythical creature.

of course an actual therian has a 50/50 chance of taking offense at this summarization, only to drop a definition that my brain would just summarize up as being more or or less what I just said.

they'll borrow some reincarnation stuff, some phantom limb stuff, some trans language (i hear "species dysphoria" a lot these days). at least there's no centralized leader or leader-like structure "in charge" like with classical cults, so it's not harmful in that manner. there's also virtually no medicalization (only one person is known to have gone overboard with body mods and such)

 

[Pink Fluffy Cat]

What's the difference between a cat-kin or dog-kin and a cat person or dog person?

Identify with vs identity as

my understanding is that they believe that you were meant to be born as a non-human being but through some cosmic mistake were born as a human. what that being should have been varies wildly. could be an animal, could be some alien, could be some mythical creature.

of course an actual therian has a 50/50 chance of taking offense at this summarization, only to drop a definition that my brain would just summarize up as being more or or less what I just said.

they'll borrow some reincarnation stuff, some phantom limb stuff, some trans language (i hear "species dysphoria" a lot these days). at least there's no centralized leader or leader-like structure "in charge" like with classical cults, so it's not harmful in that manner. there's also virtually no medicalization (only one person is known have gone overboard with body mods and such)

this tbh

 

[stonehead]

Identify with vs identity as

my understanding is that they believe that you were meant to be born as a non-human being but through some cosmic mistake were born as a human. what that being should have been varies wildly. could be an animal, could be some alien, could be some mythical creature.

of course an actual therian has a 50/50 chance of taking offense at this summarization, only to drop a definition that my brain would just summarize up as being more or or less what I just said.

they'll borrow some reincarnation stuff, some phantom limb stuff, some trans language (i hear "species dysphoria" a lot these days). at least there's no centralized leader or leader-like structure "in charge" like with classical cults, so it's not harmful in that manner. there's also virtually no medicalization (only one person is known to have gone overboard with body mods and such)

I still don't like, get it, but maybe that's just because I don't really think there's any cosmic purpose out there. That kind of teleological world view has lost some credibility since the 1400s or whenever. Then again, it's nothing provable, so I can't say it's wrong necessarily.

Both Walfteam and myself have dogs as avatars. You could argue avatars are part of your "identity", but I don't think either of us would identify ourselves as a dog. For me, I just drew a picture I think is cute.

If it ultimately just amounts to being dissatisfied with being a human being, then my reaction would change to being pity. There are things I would change about myself if I could, but wishing to not be human at all sounds like it sucks. Larping online doesn't intuitively seem like the best way to treat that (you don't treat anorexia by making them skinnier), but I don't know. I'm not a doctor, maybe that is the best treatment.

 

[xX.majin_TwEeN.Xx]

i'm native american, so if you deny my spirit animal roots, you're racist.

 

[Deleted member 3373]

This is a topic I honestly look back on with a degree of cringe. Not because I of any hatred towards the individuals involved in these sorts of groups but due to having been a part of the backlash.

At the end of the day most of this stuff is frankly harmless and anything beyond mockery of the subject is uncalled for. People unironically started laying down the rhetorical smackdown on such people when it was a complete waste of time and energy that only people who were frankly sadder than the individuals involved could engage in. Deboonking someone claiming to be a dog is the lowest of the lowest hanging fruit.

I find any discussion of the topic to be a waste of time as there are simply far more important things in life.

 

[sleepwalker]

Furries are weird, everywhere, but also generally harmless. Honestly the hatred some have for them is really overkill sometimes, but I guess they had a phase similar to the MLP fandom had and the stink still lingers. Serious otherkin are clout chasers or mentally ill. It isn't cute and serves to delegitimize actual mental illnesses and real LGBT+ groups that get lumped in with them when a clout chaser does it.

Although it *is* undeniable that a significant part of the furry/otherkin audience enjoys porn thats zoophilia adjacent. So it's not like its entirely harmless, but it seems everyone agrees its not harmful enough for it to matter.

 

[Ardea]

 

[Punp]

Furries are weird, everywhere, but also generally harmless. Honestly the hatred some have for them is really overkill sometimes, but I guess they had a phase similar to the MLP fandom had and the stink still lingers. Serious otherkin are clout chasers or mentally ill. It isn't cute and serves to delegitimize actual mental illnesses and real LGBT+ groups that get lumped in with them when a clout chaser does it.

Although it *is* undeniable that a significant part of the furry/otherkin audience enjoys porn thats zoophilia adjacent. So it's not like its entirely harmless, but it seems everyone agrees its not harmful enough for it to matter.

> harmless zoophilia