Plato's Dialogues

[zalaz alaza]

I have recently read through five of Plato's Socratic Dialogues. It was the commonplace collection translated by Grube. These were something I had also read during my time in higher education but the setting was so academic and sterile then that I actually feel I got more out of them this time around. In regards to the five, which were Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, Meno, and Phaedo , I found Apology and Phaedo to carry the most weight with my present way of life. The word is Apology is the only truly Socratic text and that Phaedo is the least as the author(Plato) was not even present during Socrates final hours. In any regard I found them all to be worthy of discussion. Am particularly interested in what @Speed Poster has to say in regards to them. Anyone else have a go at them recently? They are all very short , could read the collection in an afternoon if you wished to.

 

[Still a Youth]

I go back to the Apology often. Its the only plato text ive read in depth. Meno is epistemology iirc so i should probably dip into it. I tend to avoid plato because the argument for the forms seemed like bullshit when we studied it in class but i might have just had a shit professor.

 

[Eden]

I wrote this and started questioning whether it should be here. According to Wikipedia, Plato's Cave was presented in Republic, a Socratic dialogue. But this doesn't feel very relevant & discussing the cave is surely flogging the corpse of a ghost horse. Potential apologies!

but i might have just had a shit professor.

As a teacher, I really enjoyed listening to this lecture on the Allegory of the Cave:

Seemed like a cool professor. Being in education, I think a lot about how much of a difference I make in students' lives. I find it's easy for people to focus on a single side of the dynamic. Like, "If my teacher had been better, I would have done this and that!" or "Lol, there was no hope for me, I was a little sh*t". There's truth in both, right? Depending on the person, maybe one over the other. The reality is, "perfection" requires a multitude of factors: the "right" student, alongside the "right" teacher, sharing the "right" chemistry, at the "right" time, in the "right" place / environment, under the "right" conditions. Great things can happen with just a couple of those, but I think the exceptional occurrences are relatively rare (and the more exceptional, the rarer). I guess I usually end up concluding that I just gotta give it all my best. Thank God too, cause, imo, that's hard enough by itself.

 

[Still a Youth]

I wrote this and started questioning whether it should be here. According to Wikipedia, Plato's Cave was presented in Republic, a Socratic dialogue. But this doesn't feel very relevant & discussing the cave is surely flogging the corpse of a ghost horse. Potential apologies!


As a teacher, I really enjoyed listening to this lecture on the Allegory of the Cave. Seemed like a cool professor. Being in education, I think a lot about how much of a difference I make in students' lives. I find it's easy for people to focus on a single side of the dynamic. Like, "If my teacher had been better, I would have done this and that!" or "Lol, there was no hope for me, I was a little sh*t". There's truth in both, right? Depending on the person, maybe one over the other. The reality is, "perfection" requires a multitude of factors: the "right" student, alongside the "right" teacher, sharing the "right" chemistry, at the "right" time, in the "right" place / environment, under the "right" conditions. Great things can happen with just a couple of those, but I think the exceptional occurrences are relatively rare (and the more exceptional, the rarer). I guess I usually end up concluding that I just gotta give it all my best. Thank God too, cause, imo, that's hard enough by itself.

When i say that i mean i dont think she understood the argument, and was just teaching from the book. Perhaps the way she presented it made it seem more handwavy than it was, but reading platonists in philosophy of math i get the same hand wavy vibe. Im just not a fan of platonists.

 

[Eden]

When i say that i mean i dont think she understood the argument, and was just teaching from the book.

Man, I don't understand how people can go around teaching things they don't care about. Like, Jesus, do literally anything else with your life. I taught Science for a while, and it's crazy how many misconceptions exist in something like evolution, for example. If I didn't actually care, I could've fugged up teaching that a thousand ways and sideways.

 

[Still a Youth]

Man, I don't understand how people can go around teaching things they don't care about. Like, Jesus, do literally anything else with your life. I taught Science for a while, and it's crazy how many misconceptions exist in something like evolution, for example. If I didn't actually care, I could've fugged up teaching that a thousand ways and sideways.

she literally stopped teaching half way through the lecture just to go on a rant about how socrates was just an asshole. she really shouldn't have a job at the university level if you ask me. she also started trying to paint me a sexist because i thought ayn rand's 'philosophy' was sub par so i have no respect for her.

 

[h00]

Can't believe Socrates was a homeless bum wandering the city roasting politicians and supposed wise men with a gaggle of rich young boys. What a Chad. Though yeah, no wonder he was so unpopular. Hard to like someone when they call you a dumbass and 30 twinks point and laugh.

Meletos is still a bitch though

My takeaway from the dialogue though is that it's better to die for your beliefs than to compromise. We wouldnt remember and rever Socrates as much as we do if he caved and pleaded to the court to save himself. History loves the Martyr, I wonder if Western philosophy would of had it's religious like spread without Socrates' martydom and disciples

 

[Still a Youth]

Can't believe Socrates was a homeless bum wandering the city roasting politicians and supposed wise men with a gaggle of rich young boys. What a Chad. Though yeah, no wonder he was so unpopular. Hard to like someone when they call you a dumbass and 30 twinks point and laugh.

Meletos is still a bitch though

My takeaway from the dialogue though is that it's better to die for your beliefs than to compromise. We wouldnt remember and rever Socrates as much as we do if he caved and pleaded to the court to save himself. History loves the Martyr, I wonder if Western philosophy would of had it's religious like spread without Socrates' martydom and disciples

He wasn't. Socrates was in an unsatisfied marriage. Diogenes was homeless, however.

 

[h00]

He wasn't. Socrates was in an unsatisfied marriage. Diogenes was homeless, however.

He kept talking about how poor he was. Was he still bum like? Or just very frugal but still homed.

 

[Still a Youth]

He kept talking about how poor he was. Was he still bum like? Or just very frugal but still homed.

Probably just broke and didn't give a fuck