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Politics: Opinions on Cyprus? (and deep state involvement in 1974)

VaporwaveHistorian

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I'll start by saying I have Cypriot roots, I won't tell which side for now. I'm simply stating it beforehand to let you know that I know what I'm talking about, I have spoken with many people (professionals or firsthand witnesses), and I wrote many assignment papers on this (I'm studying history).

Cyprus, a beautiful island in the Mediterranean. It's very pretty; the mountains and the sea, the cities that will never be as big and disturbing as the ones you usually see, lots of cats and old houses in the villages. There is something, though. A fucking curse, and it's called politics. Don't let the political maps or the passports or whatever fool you; the island is actually divided into two and the "Republic of Cyprus" is actually only the Southern (Greek) one.


On the island, you can find:

  • British military bases
  • UN :antiUNFLag::schitztroll: "peacekeeping" zones
  • Another republic in the north (TRNC, Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus) only recognized by Turkey
  • And the Turkish military. A lot to unpack, a lot to analyze.

The island has been under the rule of many throughout history. It's been in many states. The ones that we can call recent are the Ottoman Empire, Fuckin' Brits, an independent republic (Republic of Cyprus), and the state of it today. To run it quickly:

1571: Ottoman Empire takes the island from the Venetians. Nomad Turkmens from Anatolia are moved to the island. The Cypriot population and Turks mix. Start of the Turkish Cypriot identity.

1878: Ottoman Empire in horrible condition. To not get totally destroyed by the (iirc) Russians, Cyprus is temporarily given to Fuckin' Brits.

1914: WWI starts, Ottomans declare war on Fuckin' Britain. Of course the Fuckin' Brits take the island completely. [There was no war about Cyprus, Fuckin' Brits simply pocketed the island for free]

Years in between: Greek Cypriots want to unite with Greece. It's called the ideal of "Enosis". Of course the Brits say no.

1960: Independent Cyprus. President is a Greek Cypriot (Makarios), and the Prime Minister is a Turkish Cypriot (Küçük). The parliament members have the demographic share according to the population demographics. It's like everyone has their share...

...until problems occur. Fucking armed conflicts, bloody massacres and shit. One of the key dates is 1963, Turks will recall the massacres as "Bloody Christmas".

1964: Fuckin' UN:antiUNFLag::schitztroll: sends peacekeepers. Of course they don't do shit.

1974: Greek junta prepares a coup in Cyprus, brings another president (Grivas).

1974: According to the trilateral agreement of Zurich (between Greece&Turkey&Fuckin' Britain), Turkey had been suggesting intervention for the past decade or maybe even more. They stopped each time due to external and internal factors (U.S.-controlled Turkish deep state, I'll get into it in a later post in this thread once I have the time). This time, in 1974, Turkey intervenes. It is legal according to the agreement, but Turkey has to restore the Republic of Cyprus. But the results don't stay legal. The restoration doesn't happen, the island is divided.

Two republics appear. No one recognizes the North (Turkish one) except for Turkey. Fuckin' UN:antiUNFLag::schitztroll: is still on the island and everyone hates them lol. Fuckin' Brits have 3 military bases. What a world.



But we are missing a key point. How did a small island with a small population manage to harbor such bloody conflicts? Not like they are manufacturing all those arms in a then-united republic without the notice of the other parts. Turks and Greeks were living door-to-door in a lot of villages back then.

The answer is EOKA and TMT.

Probably a lot of Greeks still have sympathy for EOKA, and a lot of Turks for TMT. They are armed groups. They recruited civilians, though they were founded by soldiers. EOKA advocated for the union of Cyprus with Greece, and had methods of discouraging Greeks from relations with Turks (and of course, the massacres). Then, there is the TMT. TMT was against EOKA's ideals (haha not like they're gonna support union with Greece, right?) and used methods like discouraging Turks from relations with Greeks (and again, the massacres). Basically, they provided the weapons and all that shit, burying them in the yards and fields (literally) until shit went down and they were dug out to be used.



So, a lot of people think about uniting the island. True that no conflict has happened since then. A lot of people are more concerned about the shitty roads than the "enemy in the other side". If you go to Nicosia, you'll see beautiful wall art & graffiti & that kind of cool shit that advocates for peace and union. I believe it's just the politicians of Greece&Turkey&both sides fueling people up to gain votes or whatever. Also the Fuckin' Brits, U.S., and the deep state like to keep the island divided, but that's something I'll talk about later.



I just want to hear some opinions about anything. Whether it should stay divided or unite, about 1974, about EOKA and TMT, about the civilians, haha even about the places you like if you've been there. What a rich land.



I'll dive into the war of 1974 (also called Operation Attila, invasion, intervention, Cyprus Peace Operation, etc) later on. I will talk about my evidence, firsthand accounts and all that shit proving the connection of the international deep state and how it was all planned. I'll talk about the massacres, war crimes, Turks killing Turks under the name of nationalism, and Greeks killing Greeks under the name of nationalism. I will detail it all once I have a hell lot of time.

Irl, I got called a traitor, disgrace, liar, and some other nasty names by both sides because I simply didn't support the massacres of TMT and EOKA lol. Anyway, the truth has to break out somewhere, and I think you dear schizos will love hearing about all the deep conspiracy shit.

I don't think those are things you'll hear daily, haha.
 
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So are you suggesting that the conflict between Greek and Turkish Cypriots was caused by the governments of Greece and Turkey funding terrorist groups to take the entire island for themselves?
 
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So are you suggesting that the conflict between Greek and Turkish Cypriots was caused by the governments of Greece and Turkey funding terrorist groups to take the entire island for themselves?
From what I've read and heard, being in the general region, this sums up the situation pretty good. But to understand it better we have to not ignore the influence of other governments in the conflict, since many international powers wanted and benefited from it. This also aligns with the Greco-Turkish war of 1919-1922 with similar uses of local terrorism to divide populations that were living peacefully until then.
 
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So are you suggesting that the conflict between Greek and Turkish Cypriots was caused by the governments of Greece and Turkey funding terrorist groups to take the entire island for themselves?
It's deeper than that. The Turkish deep state founded and funded TMT directly. I believe a Greek writer called Makarios Drusiotis had evidence that British intelligence did the same for EOKA, though I couldn't read his books yet. Turkey didn't know about its own deep state and the funding until a certain point.

It's more of a U.S. & Britain thing. And Gladio. You know in Gladio how they founded gangs and shit, funded them and gave them guns to bury in the ground, prepare and train them just in case communism grew as a threat and direct action was needed? Same applied for Cyprus. EOKA and TMT are known for their assassinations targeting communist people as well (members of a communist syndicate called AKEL in Cyprus).

So it's more of a "let's create chaos and divide the island" rather than take the whole island. And it's not the Greek or Turkish gov'ts, but the deep states and such. The Turkish army were ordered on where they would stop. So did the high EOKA members kmew where they would stop. The line of division, I mean.

As I've been told, EOKA and TMT founders were educated side by side at some point during history. On politics and such. Either them or other high generals in both groups were decorated veterans of the Korean War, ackmowledged by the U.S. itself.
 
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This also aligns with the Greco-Turkish war of 1919-1922 with similar uses of local terrorism to divide populations that were living peacefully until then.
Nationalism or some religions (think Orthodox Christianity or Panslavism) was used especially in the Balkan and Aegean regions of the Ottoman Empire during its last stages. It is what led to rebellions. The peak of the chaos dates late 19th century.

The Greco-Turkish was is actually one stage of the Independence War of Turkey. Ottomans lost WWI, then a group in the Ottoman Empire formed a second parliament after the first was dissolved forcibly by the Fuckin' Brits. The Treaty of Sevres (think the Versailles for Turks) was signed without the permission of the parliament, therefore it wasn't applicable legally. Fuckin' Brits, French, Italians, and Greeks came to get their share in the said Treaty, the Turks fought as a national struggle to keep their land. One by one, others pulled back and signed treaties of peace. Last remaining ones were Greeks. After it was concluded and the Treaty of Lausanne was signed (and the matters were solved), Turkey actually went back to a peaceful international affairs policy.
 
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In general, the Greek-Turkish problem is a perfect source of income for the great powers (USA, RUSSIA, FRANCE, ETC.). The best firearms bargain. I like this thread, i hope youll write lots of content here, i have not spent time reading this piece of history even though it is necessary as a Greek. Many conspiracy theories are heard about those years in Greece and the years of the Hounta.
 
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Unfortunately, despite the glorious past of ancient Greece, from the years of independence (200 years ago) until today, Greece is a pawn of the Zionists and the Anglo-Saxons in the chessboard of the elite, unfortunately together with Canada and Australia, Greece is the testing ground of the deep state.
 
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As a Turk, I believe cypriot is for the cypriots. But in reality no one really cares about what i think or what another greek thinks. It's just about creating chaos and turmoil when the time is right. Just look at the situation right know. As with the rising tension in black sea , USA is building bases in greece, piling up weapons and such. Turks violating sea borders for nothing. They want to create a big mess around here for who knows why.

nabacayik bilmem be gardas
 
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Never thought I'd see Cyprus mentioned here of all places lmao. I wasn't born there, and I don't speak much Greek, but I lived in Cyprus for over a decade and spent my most formative years as a child and a teenager there. It's still my home despite me moving out of there recently. It's a beautiful island, and a great place to commit tax evasion be left alone and not have to deal with the stress of living in a larger country.

As for what you wrote about it's history, I can guarantee that you know more about Cypriot politics than almost anyone who actually lives there lmao. Myself included, so I don't have much to offer here. Other than the house I used to live in was literally a few meters away from the green line (the border to the buffer zone that divides the island), and everyone I talked to from overseas thought I was living in a warzone. In reality no one pays any mind to it these days. Hell, I used to play soccer with the fuckin UN soldiers and Cypriot army kids who were stationed in front of my house when I was younger. The atmosphere there is not one of a nation still at war, even though that's what it is.

"San tin Kipro eneshi" as they say.
 
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