Politics: Opinions on Cyprus? (and deep state involvement in 1974)

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I'll start by saying I have Cypriot roots, I won't tell which side for now. I'm simply stating it beforehand to let you know that I know what I'm talking about, I have spoken with many people (professionals or firsthand witnesses), and I wrote many assignment papers on this (I'm studying history).

Cyprus, a beautiful island in the Mediterranean. It's very pretty; the mountains and the sea, the cities that will never be as big and disturbing as the ones you usually see, lots of cats and old houses in the villages. There is something, though. A fucking curse, and it's called politics. Don't let the political maps or the passports or whatever fool you; the island is actually divided into two and the "Republic of Cyprus" is actually only the Southern (Greek) one.


On the island, you can find:

  • British military bases
  • UN :antiUNFLag::schitztroll: "peacekeeping" zones
  • Another republic in the north (TRNC, Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus) only recognized by Turkey
  • And the Turkish military. A lot to unpack, a lot to analyze.

The island has been under the rule of many throughout history. It's been in many states. The ones that we can call recent are the Ottoman Empire, Fuckin' Brits, an independent republic (Republic of Cyprus), and the state of it today. To run it quickly:

1571: Ottoman Empire takes the island from the Venetians. Nomad Turkmens from Anatolia are moved to the island. The Cypriot population and Turks mix. Start of the Turkish Cypriot identity.

1878: Ottoman Empire in horrible condition. To not get totally destroyed by the (iirc) Russians, Cyprus is temporarily given to Fuckin' Brits.

1914: WWI starts, Ottomans declare war on Fuckin' Britain. Of course the Fuckin' Brits take the island completely. [There was no war about Cyprus, Fuckin' Brits simply pocketed the island for free]

Years in between: Greek Cypriots want to unite with Greece. It's called the ideal of "Enosis". Of course the Brits say no.

1960: Independent Cyprus. President is a Greek Cypriot (Makarios), and the Prime Minister is a Turkish Cypriot (Küçük). The parliament members have the demographic share according to the population demographics. It's like everyone has their share...

...until problems occur. Fucking armed conflicts, bloody massacres and shit. One of the key dates is 1963, Turks will recall the massacres as "Bloody Christmas".

1964: Fuckin' UN:antiUNFLag::schitztroll: sends peacekeepers. Of course they don't do shit.

1974: Greek junta prepares a coup in Cyprus, brings another president (Sampson).

1974: According to the trilateral agreement of Zurich (between Greece&Turkey&Fuckin' Britain), Turkey had been suggesting intervention for the past decade or maybe even more. They stopped each time due to external and internal factors (U.S.-controlled Turkish deep state, I'll get into it in a later post in this thread once I have the time). This time, in 1974, Turkey intervenes. It is legal according to the agreement, but Turkey has to restore the Republic of Cyprus. But the results don't stay legal. The restoration doesn't happen, the island is divided.

Two republics appear. No one recognizes the North (Turkish one) except for Turkey. Fuckin' UN:antiUNFLag::schitztroll: is still on the island and everyone hates them lol. Fuckin' Brits have 3 military bases. What a world.



But we are missing a key point. How did a small island with a small population manage to harbor such bloody conflicts? Not like they are manufacturing all those arms in a then-united republic without the notice of the other parts. Turks and Greeks were living door-to-door in a lot of villages back then.

The answer is EOKA and TMT.

Probably a lot of Greeks still have sympathy for EOKA, and a lot of Turks for TMT. They are armed groups. They recruited civilians, though they were founded by soldiers. EOKA advocated for the union of Cyprus with Greece, and had methods of discouraging Greeks from relations with Turks (and of course, the massacres). Then, there is the TMT. TMT was against EOKA's ideals (haha not like they're gonna support union with Greece, right?) and used methods like discouraging Turks from relations with Greeks (and again, the massacres). Basically, they provided the weapons and all that shit, burying them in the yards and fields (literally) until shit went down and they were dug out to be used.



So, a lot of people think about uniting the island. True that no conflict has happened since then. A lot of people are more concerned about the shitty roads than the "enemy in the other side". If you go to Nicosia, you'll see beautiful wall art & graffiti & that kind of cool shit that advocates for peace and union. I believe it's just the politicians of Greece&Turkey&both sides fueling people up to gain votes or whatever. Also the Fuckin' Brits, U.S., and the deep state like to keep the island divided, but that's something I'll talk about later.



I just want to hear some opinions about anything. Whether it should stay divided or unite, about 1974, about EOKA and TMT, about the civilians, haha even about the places you like if you've been there. What a rich land.



I'll dive into the war of 1974 (also called Operation Attila, invasion, intervention, Cyprus Peace Operation, etc) later on. I will talk about my evidence, firsthand accounts and all that shit proving the connection of the international deep state and how it was all planned. I'll talk about the massacres, war crimes, Turks killing Turks under the name of nationalism, and Greeks killing Greeks under the name of nationalism. I will detail it all once I have a hell lot of time.

Irl, I got called a traitor, disgrace, liar, and some other nasty names by both sides because I simply didn't support the massacres of TMT and EOKA lol. Anyway, the truth has to break out somewhere, and I think you dear schizos will love hearing about all the deep conspiracy shit.

I don't think those are things you'll hear daily, haha.
 
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So are you suggesting that the conflict between Greek and Turkish Cypriots was caused by the governments of Greece and Turkey funding terrorist groups to take the entire island for themselves?
 

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So are you suggesting that the conflict between Greek and Turkish Cypriots was caused by the governments of Greece and Turkey funding terrorist groups to take the entire island for themselves?
From what I've read and heard, being in the general region, this sums up the situation pretty good. But to understand it better we have to not ignore the influence of other governments in the conflict, since many international powers wanted and benefited from it. This also aligns with the Greco-Turkish war of 1919-1922 with similar uses of local terrorism to divide populations that were living peacefully until then.
 
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So are you suggesting that the conflict between Greek and Turkish Cypriots was caused by the governments of Greece and Turkey funding terrorist groups to take the entire island for themselves?
It's deeper than that. The Turkish deep state founded and funded TMT directly. I believe a Greek writer called Makarios Drusiotis had evidence that British intelligence did the same for EOKA, though I couldn't read his books yet. Turkey didn't know about its own deep state and the funding until a certain point.

It's more of a U.S. & Britain thing. And Gladio. You know in Gladio how they founded gangs and shit, funded them and gave them guns to bury in the ground, prepare and train them just in case communism grew as a threat and direct action was needed? Same applied for Cyprus. EOKA and TMT are known for their assassinations targeting communist people as well (members of a communist syndicate called AKEL in Cyprus).

So it's more of a "let's create chaos and divide the island" rather than take the whole island. And it's not the Greek or Turkish gov'ts, but the deep states and such. The Turkish army were ordered on where they would stop. So did the high EOKA members kmew where they would stop. The line of division, I mean.

As I've been told, EOKA and TMT founders were educated side by side at some point during history. On politics and such. Either them or other high generals in both groups were decorated veterans of the Korean War, ackmowledged by the U.S. itself.
 
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This also aligns with the Greco-Turkish war of 1919-1922 with similar uses of local terrorism to divide populations that were living peacefully until then.
Nationalism or some religions (think Orthodox Christianity or Panslavism) was used especially in the Balkan and Aegean regions of the Ottoman Empire during its last stages. It is what led to rebellions. The peak of the chaos dates late 19th century.

The Greco-Turkish was is actually one stage of the Independence War of Turkey. Ottomans lost WWI, then a group in the Ottoman Empire formed a second parliament after the first was dissolved forcibly by the Fuckin' Brits. The Treaty of Sevres (think the Versailles for Turks) was signed without the permission of the parliament, therefore it wasn't applicable legally. Fuckin' Brits, French, Italians, and Greeks came to get their share in the said Treaty, the Turks fought as a national struggle to keep their land. One by one, others pulled back and signed treaties of peace. Last remaining ones were Greeks. After it was concluded and the Treaty of Lausanne was signed (and the matters were solved), Turkey actually went back to a peaceful international affairs policy.
 
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In general, the Greek-Turkish problem is a perfect source of income for the great powers (USA, RUSSIA, FRANCE, ETC.). The best firearms bargain. I like this thread, i hope youll write lots of content here, i have not spent time reading this piece of history even though it is necessary as a Greek. Many conspiracy theories are heard about those years in Greece and the years of the Hounta.
 
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Unfortunately, despite the glorious past of ancient Greece, from the years of independence (200 years ago) until today, Greece is a pawn of the Zionists and the Anglo-Saxons in the chessboard of the elite, unfortunately together with Canada and Australia, Greece is the testing ground of the deep state.
 
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As a Turk, I believe cypriot is for the cypriots. But in reality no one really cares about what i think or what another greek thinks. It's just about creating chaos and turmoil when the time is right. Just look at the situation right know. As with the rising tension in black sea , USA is building bases in greece, piling up weapons and such. Turks violating sea borders for nothing. They want to create a big mess around here for who knows why.

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Never thought I'd see Cyprus mentioned here of all places lmao. I wasn't born there, and I don't speak much Greek, but I lived in Cyprus for over a decade and spent my most formative years as a child and a teenager there. It's still my home despite me moving out of there recently. It's a beautiful island, and a great place to commit tax evasion be left alone and not have to deal with the stress of living in a larger country.

As for what you wrote about it's history, I can guarantee that you know more about Cypriot politics than almost anyone who actually lives there lmao. Myself included, so I don't have much to offer here. Other than the house I used to live in was literally a few meters away from the green line (the border to the buffer zone that divides the island), and everyone I talked to from overseas thought I was living in a warzone. In reality no one pays any mind to it these days. Hell, I used to play soccer with the fuckin UN soldiers and Cypriot army kids who were stationed in front of my house when I was younger. The atmosphere there is not one of a nation still at war, even though that's what it is.

"San tin Kipro eneshi" as they say.
 
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Hey, thanks for sharing your insights into the complex history of Cyprus. It's fascinating to hear your perspective as someone with Cypriot roots and a background in history. It's unfortunate how politics can cast a shadow over the natural beauty of the island.
By the way, during my online browsing, I stumbled upon a website called Politiq. It's a platform where you can express your thoughts and opinions about upcoming elections and political events. It might be a great place for you to engage in political discussions and connect with others who share your interests.
 
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I'll start by saying I have Cypriot roots, I won't tell which side for now. I'm simply stating it beforehand to let you know that I know what I'm talking about, I have spoken with many people (professionals or firsthand witnesses), and I wrote many assignment papers on this (I'm studying history).

Cyprus, a beautiful island in the Mediterranean. It's very pretty; the mountains and the sea, the cities that will never be as big and disturbing as the ones you usually see, lots of cats and old houses in the villages. There is something, though. A fucking curse, and it's called politics. Don't let the political maps or the passports or whatever fool you; the island is actually divided into two and the "Republic of Cyprus" is actually only the Southern (Greek) one.


On the island, you can find:

  • British military bases
  • UN :antiUNFLag::schitztroll: "peacekeeping" zones
  • Another republic in the north (TRNC, Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus) only recognized by Turkey
  • And the Turkish military. A lot to unpack, a lot to analyze.

The island has been under the rule of many throughout history. It's been in many states. The ones that we can call recent are the Ottoman Empire, Fuckin' Brits, an independent republic (Republic of Cyprus), and the state of it today. To run it quickly:

1571: Ottoman Empire takes the island from the Venetians. Nomad Turkmens from Anatolia are moved to the island. The Cypriot population and Turks mix. Start of the Turkish Cypriot identity.

1878: Ottoman Empire in horrible condition. To not get totally destroyed by the (iirc) Russians, Cyprus is temporarily given to Fuckin' Brits.

1914: WWI starts, Ottomans declare war on Fuckin' Britain. Of course the Fuckin' Brits take the island completely. [There was no war about Cyprus, Fuckin' Brits simply pocketed the island for free]

Years in between: Greek Cypriots want to unite with Greece. It's called the ideal of "Enosis". Of course the Brits say no.

1960: Independent Cyprus. President is a Greek Cypriot (Makarios), and the Prime Minister is a Turkish Cypriot (Küçük). The parliament members have the demographic share according to the population demographics. It's like everyone has their share...

...until problems occur. Fucking armed conflicts, bloody massacres and shit. One of the key dates is 1963, Turks will recall the massacres as "Bloody Christmas".

1964: Fuckin' UN:antiUNFLag::schitztroll: sends peacekeepers. Of course they don't do shit.

1974: Greek junta prepares a coup in Cyprus, brings another president (Grivas).

1974: According to the trilateral agreement of Zurich (between Greece&Turkey&Fuckin' Britain), Turkey had been suggesting intervention for the past decade or maybe even more. They stopped each time due to external and internal factors (U.S.-controlled Turkish deep state, I'll get into it in a later post in this thread once I have the time). This time, in 1974, Turkey intervenes. It is legal according to the agreement, but Turkey has to restore the Republic of Cyprus. But the results don't stay legal. The restoration doesn't happen, the island is divided.

Two republics appear. No one recognizes the North (Turkish one) except for Turkey. Fuckin' UN:antiUNFLag::schitztroll: is still on the island and everyone hates them lol. Fuckin' Brits have 3 military bases. What a world.



But we are missing a key point. How did a small island with a small population manage to harbor such bloody conflicts? Not like they are manufacturing all those arms in a then-united republic without the notice of the other parts. Turks and Greeks were living door-to-door in a lot of villages back then.

The answer is EOKA and TMT.

Probably a lot of Greeks still have sympathy for EOKA, and a lot of Turks for TMT. They are armed groups. They recruited civilians, though they were founded by soldiers. EOKA advocated for the union of Cyprus with Greece, and had methods of discouraging Greeks from relations with Turks (and of course, the massacres). Then, there is the TMT. TMT was against EOKA's ideals (haha not like they're gonna support union with Greece, right?) and used methods like discouraging Turks from relations with Greeks (and again, the massacres). Basically, they provided the weapons and all that shit, burying them in the yards and fields (literally) until shit went down and they were dug out to be used.



So, a lot of people think about uniting the island. True that no conflict has happened since then. A lot of people are more concerned about the shitty roads than the "enemy in the other side". If you go to Nicosia, you'll see beautiful wall art & graffiti & that kind of cool shit that advocates for peace and union. I believe it's just the politicians of Greece&Turkey&both sides fueling people up to gain votes or whatever. Also the Fuckin' Brits, U.S., and the deep state like to keep the island divided, but that's something I'll talk about later.



I just want to hear some opinions about anything. Whether it should stay divided or unite, about 1974, about EOKA and TMT, about the civilians, haha even about the places you like if you've been there. What a rich land.



I'll dive into the war of 1974 (also called Operation Attila, invasion, intervention, Cyprus Peace Operation, etc) later on. I will talk about my evidence, firsthand accounts and all that shit proving the connection of the international deep state and how it was all planned. I'll talk about the massacres, war crimes, Turks killing Turks under the name of nationalism, and Greeks killing Greeks under the name of nationalism. I will detail it all once I have a hell lot of time.

Irl, I got called a traitor, disgrace, liar, and some other nasty names by both sides because I simply didn't support the massacres of TMT and EOKA lol. Anyway, the truth has to break out somewhere, and I think you dear schizos will love hearing about all the deep conspiracy shit.

I don't think those are things you'll hear daily, haha.
So, are you Greek or Turk? Northern Cyprus' flag is just the Israeli flag but with a crescent moon instead of a six-pointed star + RED Team instead BLU team

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Pokes a side, personally I think unification is going to require a lot of compromise and obviously Cyprus should be its own state rather than belong to either Turkey or Greece. I really don't have much knowledge on the place other than what I know of it in Ancient Greek history and my obvious observation with one of the flags there.

Interesting note that I've met a total of three people from that place (you, ignika98, and some other person whose username I forgot) on here than actual Greek users of which are three and sadly one of them being a bad sport.

Tho for the love of God, change the color of the island on your flag. Ever since learning the basics of Heraldry, I can no longer look at the flag without thinking how badly the gold and silver conflict with one another.
 
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LET'S FUCKING GO

"How did a small island with a small population manage to harbor such bloody conflicts? Not like they are manufacturing all those arms in a then-united republic without the notice of the other parts. Turks and Greeks were living door-to-door in a lot of villages back then.

The answer is EOKA and TMT."



EOKA and EOKA-B were armed paramilitary groups that advocated for union with Greece and for that, they murdered a lot of British officers and THEN Turkish Cypriots. What goes unnoticed is that they also murdered Greek Cypriots.

Greek Cypriots killing Greek Cypriots, how?

Well, the thing is the COLD WAR.

We're talking about 50s onwards, the peak being 1974. Take 1963 for example, when massacres referred to as "Bloody Christmas" happened. That's only a year after the Cuban Missile Crisis. Tell me which countries were included in the Cuban Crisis? Cuba, USA, USSR, Turkey. Which countries are involved in Cyprus? UK, Greece, Turkey (and USA and USSR have interest). What a mess, right?

Rightful president of the Republic of Cyprus which was established in 1960 was Makarios III, the Archbishop. He was a Greek Cypriot. He was asked for support from Soviets for his constitutional changes with a letter in late 63-early 64, and the issue was carried to NATO with Greece and Turkey and USA absolutely HORRIFIED by that shit. [Niyazi Kızılyürek, Paşalar ve Papazlar].

So, there's an intercommunal mess they are unable to fucking solve, NATO is involved because they don't want USSR to get involved in it, US is afraid of a Soviets response and Turkey is considering intervention so US threatens Turkey with "We can't help you if Soviets decide to attack you, you knoooow..." [Johnson Letter, 1964].

But the Republic was doomed already. Because Makarios was sort of pro-Enosis till a certain point where he later on says "Shiiiiit we are fucking the island up, we should focus on our true Cypriot identity instead of licking the boots of Greece or Turkey-" and almost gets assassinated and gets coup'd to hell and back in 1974. But before that, till a certain period of time, he is pro-Enosis (unification with Greece). Because he is a Greek nationalism sympathizer. So is Fazıl Küçük, the vice president of the period (Turkish Cypriot). Küçük is a Turkish nationalism sympathizer.

The Republic was doomed because they were both sympathizers. The entire republic consisted of, in legal and legislative and every body, nationalists. Not communists or socialists.

What did the socialists and communists do? Well syndicates and shit allowed them to get together and build a ground for friendship. Have you heard of Derviş Ali Kavazoğlu and Kostas Misiaoulis? Of course you haven't. Because they were killed side by side by TMT (Turkish ultranationalist Cypriot paramilitary group). One Turkish Cypriot and one Greek Cypriot both killed by Turkish Cypriots. Why the fuck, you may ask, a paramilitary group founded to "protect Turks" KILLED Turks? Because they were communists/socialists/syndicalists.

Cold War.

If you wanted to hang out with your Greek Cypriot neighbor in a syndicate, they'd think you're a fuckin communist and boom, bullet to the head.

Hah, Turkish historiography won't be talking about those points!



Now the time for deep state involvement.

Okay, so there's Gladio, okay? Operation Gladio. The effort of anti-USSR mostly-NATO countries to have deep state or deep paramilitary "ready" armed groups to fight against communism in Europe. Turkey was quite the heart of all the conflicts during its time. Ol' gran who was a primary school teacher in Turkey at the time talks about the times she had to make the students duck in the class and get away from the windows because of left-right wing combatants shooting at each other outside.

Nice times, yeah?

So, the Gladio branch in Turkey was called Kontrgerilla and pretty much active. There is also the Özel Harp Dairesi which the government didn't know about, and they were ruling the country's combats pretty much underground, even getting guns and shit from the USA without the PM even knowing about that shit.

So, there it is. You are USA, you have control over a land (Turkey), and nearby that land is a strategic island that you NEED to control before the USSR influences that. What do you do?

Extend Kontrgerilla.

There's EOKA fighting against Turkish Cypriots? Make the Turkish Cypriots found TMT, the Turkish Resistance Organization. Are the syndicalist socialist Cypriots calling for Cypriotism, an ideology that upholds the CYPRIOT identity above the mainland Greek or mainland Turk bootlicking? Hell no, we can't have a free Cyprus because they will end up calling for the Soviet influence (which Makarios, at some point, had).

Found TMT. Create more intercommunal conflict. Break the island into two.

TMT specifically called for the division of the island, which originally was a British proposed plan. Wow, it's really like that today, isn't it?

Look, the island was parting into enclaves. The minorities in each village were moving out to create their own settlements in enclaves. The administration was breaking up because of Makarios proposing some changes to the constitution, and the Turkish Cypriots were leaving the administrative seats.

Shit was going down, I mean.

Turkish control on half the island was more favorable than a communist influence on the island. The United States had embargoes on Turkey and shit, yeah sanctions and such, but it didn't have much effect and they knew. They nodded to Turkey. They gave the go.

It was all planned. It was one big plan to break Cyprus up. This is your punishment if you try to be influenced by communism during the Cold War.



As to how TMT was armed and trained, I had a relative in TMT who later on exposed all the shit until his death. They were trained in Turkey in special camps that even the police and the government weren't aware of. "If you're caught, tell them that you're here for touristic purposes," they were told.

The rifles were smuggled and buried in the ground, dug out on the day of "go" (intercommunal conflict breaking out days or the intervention of 1974).

The "Bloody Christmas" massacre, the famous photograph of the bathtub murders (wife of a Turkish soldier and her three kids murdered in the massacre) was carried out by TMT, not Greek Cypriot gangs. You don't hear that shit everywhere. They call you a liar. I even know the name of the one who was forced to carry it out. He gets drunk afterward, goes out of his mind, confesses it everywhere. TMT hears it, plans a provocative plan, and gets him shot and killed afterward. Clean business.



This is how it went down. Deep state involvement and the inevitable break of Cyprus –this is how it happened. This is the truth you don't hear everywhere.
 
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We should stop sending soldiers there. Turkey has a military system where men after 20 serve with one month training and 5 months of duty but at the backsides and not in action. The first commando brigade(which was the biggest force in the Cyprus peace operation) sends most people they train there. that brigade is mostly for soldiers that served in Syria and parachute training is done there soo it is soo important as a military base with experienced personal. I don't think such a base should send groups of men that have basically no training to a peacefull place. Reducing the number of armed personal would give us the card to ask them to reduce greeks and UN's military presence.
 
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We should stop sending soldiers there. Turkey has a military system where men after 20 serve with one month training and 5 months of duty but at the backsides and not in action. The first commando brigade(which was the biggest force in the Cyprus peace operation) sends most people they train there. that brigade is mostly for soldiers that served in Syria and parachute training is done there soo it is soo important as a military base with experienced personal. I don't think such a base should send groups of men that have basically no training to a peacefull place. Reducing the number of armed personal would give us the card to ask them to reduce greeks and UN's military presence.
Absolutely. The military zones are actually occupied Greek Cypriot houses by the way, it's fucked up. Also their test area is very close to my village so the windows fucking shake when they're testing out explosives. Fuckin crazy shit.
Also this one story where the Turkish army used my uncle's field without asking him to practice, and he snitched on em to the UN and had the general come apologize to him lol.
I also had an armored Turkish army vehicle stop my car after driving in circles in OUR fields for half an hour (I was learning how to drive). Shit was wild. I guess they were excited to finally get some action.
 
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