Pondering a 2nd U.S. "Civil War" - Speculating contributing factors, potential effects, issues with the narrative, and misc thoughts

If the US/West is to spiral into irreversible civil unrest, when (if ever) will it occur?


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They dont have a blue water navy, they are green water still. But a really good navy for their purposes (patroling south china sea).

So they couldn't even get troops over here. If they need more land (?) they could have a much easier time with Mongolia and Russia. But China isnt really expansionist and I'm not sure why they'd need the USA to feed them? Not trying to be snarky, maybe i just missed something.

Also hope this isn't considered political or against the rules. I'm new hire. :mad:

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well given the current alliance w russia that seems out of the question. I guess mongolia could work.
 
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well given the current alliance w russia that seems out of the question. I guess mongolia could work.
True, but equally, if not more out of the realm of reality, is an invasion of the US. Because it is physically impossible. The logistics just dont work.

But again, idk why they need to invade anyone? China is huge and has mineral rights throughout Africa. Why do they need more land?

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True, but equally, if not more out of the realm of reality, is an invasion of the US. Because it is physically impossible. The logistics just dont work.

But again, idk why they need to invade anyone? China is huge and has mineral rights throughout Africa. Why do they need more land?

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in theory the reason is that america has the great plains which could come in quite handy in a post petroleum world. Also, geographically the U.S. is built like a fortress with a large expanse of fertile land enclosed by 2 mountain ranges next to the sea.

you are correct though, it would be a logistical nightmare to pull off
 
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This is correct, as I have said before on this specific forum the only way for America to truly fall is if A) conditions are bad enough that revolution happens within America or B) foreign powers socio-economically and culturally subvert the US and the US population to cause situation A.

China is not a militarily imperialist nation, its an economically imperialist nation, as it has always been throughout history, a military invasion of the US would completely jeopardize any attempts at causing situation B as the US would be united against a common enemy
i mean for china to invade directly presently would be absolutely ridiculous. i see a few scenarios that could pan out though. first in the case of a civil war we would decimate ourselves and become wide open for any nation or alliance to walk in and take whatever they want. secondly after a long decline a strong nation could look to come in as a savior thus burgeoning their economic imperialism into new geographies
 
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I feel like some people are conflating civil wars with revolutions here. I think a civil war only needs a few bad things to happen. The scenario with a state army preventing an arrest of trump for example is plausible enough. That would qualify as a civil war, and all it needs is for a governor to give an order and for soldiers to obey. If they disobey they are going to jail unless every one of them refuses basically. And why would they really? No one is ordering them to gun down civilians in this example. So they'll do the thing, maybe some small scale fight between us factions with a retreat. And then where are we? A state in open defiance of the feds, shots fired, trump with some kinda claim on the presidency to press. That's a civil war unless the feds give up, then it's a coup or secession i guess? Or maybe a really short civil war if the feds bring enough guns to force the arrest?

A revolution seems unlikely for the reasons people have stated, we might slide into amore open and blatant fascism but most of the population will have jobs and food and just keep their heads down.

EDIT, just want to add that I do think if there were a large conventional war during this hypothetical civil war or revolution you would likely see high desertions and insubordination, more the longer it goes probably, but that happened in our last civil war too, doesnt stop them from happening, just makes a mess.
 
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David Foster Wallace once compared suicide to a man in a burning building choosing to leap out the window once the flames grow too hot. A civil war too - these things are horrific. Think of yourself, what would you have to lose before you'd kill? How much of your life would have to lose? How hopeless would you have to be for the future, how long without food or electricity, how many people around you killed, how much would you have to either stop caring about the police or how much would they have to retreat into taking a side? For the time being, it doesn't strike me as too likely. The material buffer to the kind of poverty & desperation that leads people to - and this is what's important - have critically low scruples about committing violence - is still quite a ways off. There's far too much to lose for the average person to want to take up arms - there's a reason most crime is committed by people on the absolute margins, career criminals or the homeless.
While David Foster Wallace is correct that poor economic conditions are what usually kick off a civil war, I think he underestimates the soul of a nation's people and how commodified hatred/anger has become in the era of algorithms. The US is no stranger to lone wolves from middle class backgrounds snapping violently. There is an ever growing sense of deep resentment among Americans towards each other. A prominent enough leader could easily take advantage of these types to pursue power, and once the ball is rolling we are unfortunately all too aware of the copycat effect. Biden's greatest failure will not be the poor state of the economy or the withdrawal from Afghanistan, it will be his inability to live up to his promises of bridging the gap and re-uniting the country, regardless of political differences. In fact, feels like they've almost deliberately done the exact opposite of that, especially with the Trump/FBI raid getting people all fired up. I feel that a second US civil war could be possible in an economy that is "mid" at best. There's plenty of people on both sides either looking for an excuse or simply want to see the world burn.

B) foreign powers socio-economically and culturally subvert the US and the US population to cause situation A.
That is currently being carried out, quite successfully. In my opinion it has gone better than anyone could've imagined. From my own point of view the status quo of western culture has become so insane that it just feels like one long fever dream filled with terrible jokes. But to dismiss it all as originating in foreign nations outside of the US is where I disagree. I have heard this talking point before and it feels like propaganda to hold anyone else accountable other than Americans themselves. Perhaps the initial seeds were sowed from outsiders like Yuri Besnov suggests (Soviets, Chinese, the Jesuits!! idk) but it certainly goes in line with why all these communist LARPers think that it's a super progressive system that will let them live easily as gender study scholars (ironically D.I.E. types only exist because such a level of needless bloat is only possible in a system as flawed as excessive globalist capitalism) but these days most of the subversion is pushed internally from academia and this new age of woke pandering elites.

Or maybe a really short civil war if the feds bring enough guns to force the arrest?
Depends, if the state is willing to defy the feds on something as big as the hypothetical scenario you presented, then who's to say they'd even bother prosecuting citizens working on their own accord to achieve a similar end goal? If one state were to set the precedent, then not only will some of it's citizens follow, but perhaps like minded states as well.


To those who believe China or a traditional foreign adversary would attempt a direct land invasion, even during a civil war to strike at a moment of weakness, I just don't see that being a possibility at all. If anything, it's the UN "peacekeepers" fighting on behalf of the feds one would have to keep an eye on as the real invaders.
 
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its very interesting and dangerous how Western society is so split on being either extremely self-hating or egotistical with its past and present actions, not a good mix
Considering the dialect around US history has traditionally been based on self-righteousness (and more recently self hatred) can't say I'm surprised. The thing is, a productive nation needs to believe they're the best to do their best. If one is lead to feel inherently guilty or even shameful for the society they've built, then what is the incentive to maintain it? If anything there is a greater incentive to destroy it. Ideally such a propaganda effort would not tote arrogance over accomplishment (aka the current American way) and would be capable of conversations based around the errors in their ways and other outstanding issues, but it seems everyone bends the knee for the slightest perceived injustice, no matter how petty the issue or small the complaining group, at the very least as a way to deflect from far greater issues. Again, this is divide and conquer tactics amplified following the Occupy Wall Street movement.
 
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a direct invasion of the US is theoretically possible but extremely hard and unlikely
Geography aside you need to consider the fact that the civilian population aren't going to go down with a fight. Despite the memes and shit we can form militias still and likely will defend or aide the US Armed forces to give them much needed time to recuperate if shit goes bad.
 
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Pretty much one of the core messages of the ill-fated Political Juice's second magna opus: The Importance of Civil Society. To be honest, one can look at the US' self-suffocating problems as "oh X group did this" or "X nation did this to subvert everyone" and while that's true, it's a little disingenuous if you ask me when you need to consider that it is the citizens-- who are now the elderly-- in past half century themselves that decided to indulge in this stuff and the next three generation (us included) are no better.

There's also the fact that Socialism/Communism/Marxism in America isn't new either. Not even to the boomers' time. Documents indicate that these people had existed as far back as the mid-19th century where interestingly concepts such as Social Justice, Progressivism, and Free Love (Love based on Sex) began to emerge around here in not only the US but in Europe such as Britian too. There are some books I can suggest that talks about the history of these stuff. Very interesting stuff.

Honestly in regard to the thread, I don't see a civil war happening and I don't think a civil war will happen. I don't get why so many retards online want to see the US rip itself apart when they're going to be affected as well. Yeah, there are points and incidents here that might suggest it'll happen, but it won't. I do not see the average citizen willing to kill another citizen over something petty as politics can be.

In fact, the average citizen doesn't even want to resort to that and if anything, are calling for fairer grounds but the more radical and staunched folks, who had been drunk with unchecked power both online and later in higher positions in government offices in the past nine - coming on ten) years, don't want to relinquish that power and face the consequences of their actions (I'm looking you fuckers who participated in the Gamergate, Social Justice, "Third Wave" Feminist, and Identity movements)

Right or left, these people who are staunch on everything are just the same pathetic disillusioned losers who done nothing with their lives and see no value in themselves and wish to bring everyone down to their level and honestly this is why I do not see a potential "Second US Civil War" because as long as people just ignore them and press harder on their beliefs to a breaking point (to BOTH political wings that edge extreme) and kick them out of institutions they CLEARLY do not belong then the thoughts of a civil war 2.0 would've been nonexistent.

I apologize for the double post; I really don't like these topics honestly since they're largely doomposting and are extremely hyperbolic in my opinion. I may have interrupted the flow here because I didn't read everyone's post so again; I apologize.
 
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all I know is that America is approaching its final years, its very tough to see it go through. Like others said in this thread the American Military is disemboweled and embarrassed. I guess a proper term would be neutered (Especially in the officer ship). I may sound schizophrenic as fuck and I may be rambling for the first time in agora. But imagine countries as organisms, they start off young and vulnerable, grow into adolescent and become risky, become matured and knowledgeable, middle aged and comfortable, and then become elderly and weak. America may or may not go into a Civil War. But it is obligated to turn into something new from the ashes of the United States. The innerworkings of the country is butchered. I would have loved to fight for this country, but it is not the country the youthful me once thought it was. With that being said I know the country is going through a transitional period the same way Republican Rome turned into the Roman Empire. Best make sure that it turns into something you would want your children and yourself to be proud of.
 
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guess this is a good place to post this. seems as though anti-feds are making lots of noise
Oh those poor, poor bastards.....funny enough even Grand Theft Auto Online is letting the jokes surrounding false flags and conspiracies run wild since the most recent update. Considering this may as well be the most popular game at the moment, it is nothing to dismiss. It's an open secret the elections have always been a joke and that false flags are just a "wonderful" part of the democratic process.
 
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There's also the fact that Socialism/Communism/Marxism in America isn't new either. Not even to the boomers' time. Documents indicate that these people had existed as far back as the mid-19th century where interestingly concepts such as Social Justice, Progressivism, and Free Love (Love based on Sex) began to emerge around here in not only the US but in Europe such as Britian too. There are some books I can suggest that talks about the history of these stuff. Very interesting stuff.
Funny enough, the boomers insist their kids go through the bullshit of college and pay for it!! Fucking retards... PepSiDawgwitcan

I know you're quite the doomer on this civil war scenario, but c'mon now don't act as if the slightest touch of vengeance on the elites wouldn't be such an enticingly sweet sip. You can apply the derogatory labels of your past post onto me for all I care, but to catch but a glimpse of the overlords dangling for air upon a street light sounds oh so joyful :PepsiDog:
 
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Funny enough, the boomers insist their kids go through the bullshit of college and pay for it!! Fucking retards... PepSiDawgwitcan

I know you're quite the doomer on this civil war scenario, but c'mon now don't act as if the slightest touch of vengeance on the elites wouldn't be such an enticingly sweet sip. You can apply the derogatory labels of your past post onto me for all I care, but to catch but a glimpse of the overlords dangling for air upon a street light sounds oh so joyful :PepsiDog:

How about I just give you a wedgie and take your wallet.
 
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How about I just give you a wedgie and take your wallet.
Guess I'll have to go commando for a little while...hate to disappoint but I'm broke so the wallet is of little use. However if you want to take my student loan debt instead, by all means go ahead :JunkoTongue:
 
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Call me cynical but I doubt a revolution of any kind will be happening in the US anytime soon regardless of how bad things get. Taking aside the obvious issue of the lack of a counter elite that would prop up a revolution, Americans are so demoralized that they wouldn't do anything. Younger generations lack the fortitude to take up arms and are content with the way things are because they have no purpose and don't remember how good things were.

When you consider the fact that the US military had a systematic change in leadership such that anyone not progressive has been discharged, it is clear that their purpose is to be aimed inwards towards dissidents rather than to wage wars. Millenials and zoomers are not going to fight a zog military that hates them or the militarized police driving armored cars but those two factions will gladly turn their guns on anyone deemed evil by the regime. A soy population with no leadership or tactical expertise or zeal will not even take up arms if you gave them the weapons for free.
 
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Pondering a 2nd U.S. "Civil War" - Speculating contributing factors, potential effects, issues with the narrative, and misc thoughts
A loose collection of theses at best, but more likely borderline schizo tier rambling fueled by sleep deprivation
This is purely hypothetical/based on fringe theory and is not mean to advocate for certain actions (so fuck off glowies)

Something that has been in the back of my mind (and surely on the conscious of many Americans) is the prospect of a 2nd US "civil war" in the near future. It is a predominant headline in the mainstream news (and as we all know the news feels more or less like predictive programming these days.)

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But I don't get the impression that the general public (or rather, media outlets) has quite pondered the true nature of the brewing civil unrest from within. For all this talk they prop up about "civil war" I believe that they fail to realize the prevailing attitude among those seeking succession/conflict is more closely aligned with a revolution rather than warring factions of the pre-established system properly engaging in combat.

Remember, a civil war is the establishment fighting from within for power, waging the countrymen against each other on the behalf of the elite's interests. A revolution is lead by the common man. By that metric, the original US "Revolution" in 1776 hardly constitutes a proper revolution as it was the elites of their day fighting primarily for their own financial interests. For a proper revolution, see The Haitian Slave Revolution of 1791. And in a revolution, you may see separate factions of the people fighting for control among themselves rather than fully uniting against a common enemy.

It is my belief that the pushing of "civil war" headlines in the media is an attempt to ensure the conflict will be peons skirmishing among themselves rather than directing their rightful rage at those at the top leveraging this mess onto the people. A cunning enough politician would be wise to direct this rage at political opposition in a power grab.

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It's a much more complex system now, this is not the 1860's. This is a new era in which globalist hedge funds (Blackrock) managing trillions in assets (including your very culture!) dominate nearly every aspect of the world, to an extent that even the East India Trading Company would be jealous of. International bankers/investment firms are much like a 4th branch of US government, and anyone who has ever threatened this balance of power has been dealt with swiftly. People such as Larry Fink have more control over the world governments then the so called elected officials or common man. Such firms/corporations are the true factions to be rallied against should conflict erupt. If they are not immediately rooted out, then the conflict is doomed to repeat itself. Critics will argue that groups equally as nefarious will simply usurp them, and while that's a possibility, perhaps a violent precedent that removes these self appointed leaders of the past would serve as a vivid warning to those looking to seal the power vacuum.

For a true civil war to start, much like the original civil war it would require corporate backing. The wealthy plantations of the south and connected industries helped finance the south's revolt against the federal government. I don't foresee this occurring this day and age given TPTB's beneficial relationship with the federal government (endless hand outs, tax cuts, etc.) It's too beneficial for them to remain complacent to the US system, which they more or less own at this point.

Indeed, the discontent with the current structure and way of life is from the people, not within system.

The 1st US Civil War was driven on behalf of wealthy slave owners (who were the elites of the south) looking to protect their bottom line. That's not the case with the current discontent, which in its initial stages seems based on ideology rather than profits. Of course there are economic factors at play (especially now with the recession, shortages, and inflation) but the most violent rhetoric seems to surround the cultural decline/shift. This discontent is a burden carried by the common man, on all sides of the political aisle, rather than the elites. For the elites, the general population's grievance is a trivial matter as they have banked profits off of every crises they have passed onto general population. Just look at the Covid lockdowns for instance, the greatest wealth transfer in human history. A majority of the US's recent wars were more or less based on false flags, public deception, and were admittedly lobbied for by those making bank off of our sons and daughters laying down their lives.

And now they have the audacity to insist that it is WE THE PEOPLE that are the issue, rather than them taking accountability for THEIR mess. The World Economic Forum speaks in great deals about the need for the general population to take up bug eating, but one has to wonder why it is they don't cater their events with insects? Do you really think Klaus Schwab dines on grubs, or is he enjoying Matsusaka beef instead? In the era of Zoom (Skype came out in the mid 2000s) why do they feel the need to take private jets to extravagant events paying lip service to climate change? They don't care that we know they're lying. They don't care that their hypocrisy and oppressiveness is out in the open, because they feel they are untouchable, and they govern (un-elected) as such. They feel no accountability, for there is a lack of fear to keep them in check.

This year has already seen several nations collapse to the will of an angry populous, how much longer can the west hold out with the pace they're going at? The west is seeing truckers and farmers, the backbones of society, revolt in small scales. Yet the west remains hellbent on pushing legislation that is self destructive for the common man.

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What the Americans need to realize is that there is already a "cold" civil war, it's been brewing for several years now and some aspects of it are seemingly encouraged from the elites. TPTB have essentially isolated certain sections of the population or actively railed against them utilizing divide and conquer tactics. This includes propaganda outlets such as news/entertainment and academic institutions. It's to their demise that they've inadvertently removed these pacifiers by isolating people (especially young men) who are now more aware then ever of their dystopian reality. In my opinion, this is a byproduct of subversion ala Yuri Bezmenov's theory, but I will refrain from directly attributing this as there are many other factors at play.

By now we have all heard the quote

What the author seems to leave out is that desperate times create chaotic men. Are we not looming towards desperate times (or blissfully unaware that they're already upon us?)

Perhaps we should ask ourselves "how it got to this point?" A time and age where violent internal US conflict no longer feels like a complete crackpot conspiracy but rather a looming inevitability.

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There's many factors, but one in particular I want to highlight is social media's rise to prominence in the public consciousness. Social media has sparked revolts already (Arab Spring) and it's influence can not be downplayed. As much as I loathe this new era of disseminating thoughts, the US clearly understands the importance of keeping social media under control (perhaps because the deep state have used it before to psy-op unrest?) Their futile efforts to suppress dissenting speech and accusations of corruption is proof of this. They think that by censoring people these thoughts will simply go away and be unheard, but the active suppression of speech by both the feds and corporations is only pushing people further to the fringe, bringing an even greater sense of legitimacy to those who believe in fringe theories. (I mean here we all are now after all.)

I would also argue this divide is a direct result of right wing populism manifesting itself around Donald Trump and the MAGA movement. I do not mean to get into Qanon tier nonsense nor do I wish to fully assert that Trump himself caused this, but his rise to power is certainly a contributing factor. Populism in any form has been actively attacked by the US establishment. In the US, the will of the people is not allowed to triumph, unless it is profitable.

The Democrats had populist Bernie Sanders up their sleeves, but squandered his potential by actively subverting their election process. They rigged his elections/campaigns in order to prop up establishment shills like Clinton/Biden. The types that feed the war machine, that go to the World Economic Forum, the same useful idiots that play the game complacently and sell everyone beneath them down the river. RNC tried to get the same types in office with Cruz/Rubio in 2016, but failed because the will of their voter base was too strong or because the RNC was merely power hungry for anyone.

Trump was the only one bold and powerful enough to say what many thought for years, that the mainstream press is complete bullshit and that the state of the union is a disaster. Now that the mask has come off in such a dramatic fashion, is there anyway they can pick up the pieces and continue with business as usual? If anything it seems like the last few years have been an acceleration, they're haphazardly pushing any types of restrictions and propaganda they can because it's become a race against the clock. As time goes on, more and more people are realizing what's really at play, and they simply can not allow that for their own safety.

What I'm sure many would like to know is what would hypothetically be the tipping point that sends the US into a civil war/revolution? Much like you, the reader, I would like to know as well, but unfortunately there is no way of knowing. The US is currently in the slow burn phase, it'll take an unknown spark to truly engulf the nation. 2020 certainly had it's moments between the BLM riots and January 6th. While those did not prove to be the spark, it certainly demonstrated that the supposed law and order holding up society is rather fragile. It can be broken, and it doesn't even require that many people.

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This Great Retribution can begin the moment people will it into existence via holding those in charge directly accountable for their actions. This includes the propagandists, the politicians, the bankers, and everyone in between. They either sold the people/culture out directly, or helped facilitate it via backroom deal making and running cover ups. If they were to be subjected to but a percent of the accountability then blood will flow. Full accountability would be the infliction of indescribable human anguish upon not only them, but their associates and family.

EU nations may be worth keeping an eye on to see where the trends are heading in the US. We are currently seeing projected energy shortages and potential food crises. If they start to break and their ability to take part in the global economy is severely disrupted via civil unrest, then perhaps the US would follow in time.

Something else I would like the reader to keep an eye out for is the US's escalating tensions with Russia/China. The US would rather send an angry population to die on foreign soil rather than risk them lashing out domestically (plus it's good for business!) The US may have to manufacture a foreign crisis to create a collective cause to rally around. Certainly conflict on that scale would help make rationing of basic supplies become more palatable. If I had to guess, the US would prefer war with Russia as they can play into the national mythos of the US fighting "right wing fascism" in the name of a "progressive 'democracy.'"

But will people actually go for a war on a greater scale than that of any other conflict in human history? After an exhaustive (and futile) war on terror, drugs, and Vietnam, the public is rather tired and has awoken to the military industrial complex's wrongdoings. The concept of "false flag" casus belli has been imprinted onto a sizable group of people as well, any escalations, even if seemingly provoked from the opposition side, will be met with skepticism. Of course, anyone claiming differently than the narrative will be vigorously fact checked in the public sphere, rather than the so called journalists applying fact checks to the very people we are lead into believing they safeguard us from.

For anyone who foolishly believes that the police/army would largely protect the interests of the people, rather than TPTB, are mistaken. There has been an active ideological purge of potential dissenters within these factions, the US has been silently prepping for the doomsday scenario of a civil conflict for some time now. These people will largely be loyal to their paycheck providers and little else. Most of the "good guys" have long resigned or been forced out at this point.

Much of the western government has become an entity that actively works against it's own citizens.

In the United States, they can afford to fund impressive social welfare for foreign nations but then choose to give it's own people scraps in comparison.

We have seen public trust and approval in the supposed pillars of society (government, the press, etc) erode into all time lows. People are waking up en masse. While many will continue to remain blissfully unaware and champion the very systems' bringing about their own demise, those that are attuned to the reality of the situation stand a fighting chance at a better future for themselves.

And even if a post-revolutionary west poses the potential for a worse aftermath, for many, the urge to simply lash out in blind rage over perceived past transgressions is becoming all too tempting.


The powers that be want a civil war, but they fear a proper revolution.
I don't think there will ever be a real, full scale civil war in the west. But there's a good chance we are going to see a lot of domestic terrorism in the near future as our population continues to decline in mental health and education. We're already seen a surge in mass shootings from people who belong to fringe political groups. It's not too far off to think that some of these people are going to think bigger and try their hand at making bombs or getting ahold of anthrax and other chemical agents. My guess is that we are gunna see a domestic event bigger than 9/11 by 2024 possibly followed by a cluster of smaller events. That being said, in order for a full scale civil war to break out, there would need to be some sort of figurehead that appeals to the common man, something that would be hard to do since being public with something like that on the internet would be suicide. The U.S seemed awfully close to something like this happening during the surge of BLM protests after George Floyd, but people simply directed their anger within their own communities instead of the institutions. Had there been a figurehead in place to lead them, things might have turned out far different.
 
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I don't think there will ever be a real, full scale civil war in the west. But there's a good chance we are going to see a lot of domestic terrorism in the near future as our population continues to decline in mental health and education. We're already seen a surge in mass shootings from people who belong to fringe political groups. It's not too far off to think that some of these people are going to think bigger and try their hand at making bombs or getting ahold of anthrax and other chemical agents. My guess is that we are gunna see a domestic event bigger than 9/11 by 2024 possibly followed by a cluster of smaller events. That being said, in order for a full scale civil war to break out, there would need to be some sort of figurehead that appeals to the common man, something that would be hard to do since being public with something like that on the internet would be suicide. The U.S seemed awfully close to something like this happening during the surge of BLM protests after George Floyd, but people simply directed their anger within their own communities instead of the institutions. Had there been a figurehead in place to lead them, things might have turned out far different.

Among members of the republican party it seems that Trump was supposed to be the orange messiah that was going to free them from government Tyranny. In the end he ended up being a footnote in history and led to the rise of the current failure situation. The US a nation in decline. We are seeing record amounts of people rating their lives as suffering. Any of these suffering 5% can strike out at the world in fury and rage at a future stolen from them. A future where the US was a manufacturing hub and jobs were plentiful for those who wanted to work. Where an honest days work pays the bills and places food on the table.

The current US is a hollowed out husk of a great nation. The envy of the world and the innovator and conqueror of empires is now reduced to a Chinese manufactured copy of a Walmart brand nation.

A great many people complain about the increasing inability to pay for bills, food, and rent from a standard 40 hours a week job. Nobody should have to take on multiple jobs just to make ends meet. The fact that this happens should deeply trouble and concern everyone over the fate of the American empire and hegemony. Will we see a world where the US has to play second fiddle to another global leader? Who could even step up to the plate? Europe is screwed energetically and on the brink of financial ruin. Asia has only china as a leading nation, and they are staring down a currency crisis as the US dollar increases in value relative to the Chinese currency. Currency values are always relative to everyone else.


As time goes on and the inevitability of an impossible future and financial instability becomes guaranteed we are bound to see people devolve into madness and rage against the system. Not just domestic terrorism, but full attempts to stage a coup against the federal government. A real coup, not the fake one on Jan 6th. How to avert this? Bring back jobs onshore. Encourage private industry to build homes, and get the fed gov out of higher education funding. Give people a fighting chance in this world. Give them hope for a better future. A message of hope and of peace.
 
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This seemed like the best thread to ask so here goes. I would be interested in hearing everyone's takes on Kanye's ongoing antisemitic tirade and what it means for the future of American politics. For those who don't follow celebrity news, he:

1) wore a "white lives matter" shirt at a fashion show with Candace Owens
2) went on Tucker Carlson, accused the Kushners of being Trump's "handlers," and basically said black people need their own state because neither party gives a shit about them outside election season
3) got banned from Insta for posting a text screenshot where he called P-Diddy a Jewish tool, and finally
4) got banned from Twitter for saying he was "going death-con 3 on Jewish people," because they try to "black ball anyone who opposes their agenda," and blacks are the real Jews anyway

Has-beens like Wiley and Professor Griff popping off with this sort of stuff is one thing, but Kanye is still hugely popular and influential. Do you think he's just a lone nut who doesn't represent the cultural zeitgeist or is antisemitism becoming increasingly common as blacks and whites both continue to lose faith in the ability of government to address their needs?
 
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