Pondering a 2nd U.S. "Civil War" - Speculating contributing factors, potential effects, issues with the narrative, and misc thoughts

[Caspar]

To start, I don't think there'll be a civil war nor a revolution. The cause is simply myopia - both mine and people's generally; to paraphrase Machiavelli, people generally don't believe in change unless they've had solid experience of it first. In this way, these populist movements are as easy to go as they are to come, and they'll always lack the backbone to go through with it, because people are accustomed to being ruled over. As for civil war, I see this as quite unlikely; unlike the Roman Empire we don't have an armed force that is accustomed to special privileges and stipends from the government and we don't have local leaders to whom people are accustomed to giving their loyalty - local government is universally considered a kind of joke. The government has the initiative in any situation wherein you'd want to rally behind someone or something; in the time it'd take you to rally, they'd already be able to subvert you - the only way things could work out is cosmic incompetence on their part. The first rule of chess I was taught was that you always assume your opponent is going to make the correct move in a given situation, the second was that the whole of strategy is the art of deception.

Perhaps, as with the birth of a new religion, as Christianity was to Rome, this might resolve the problem, but people are cynical of superstitious claims doubled over on the aforementioned myopia, so do you see the coming? Neither do I.

My take, besides there not being any civil war of any stripe? If you dislike modernity, think of yourself as a Jew in a world where you've been scattered to the four winds. This dissolute, nascent proto-people needs to preserve itself and learn to recognize its own. In some sense, this is a self-fulfilling request; those whose spirits are 'gleaming as sky-shorn steel' will 'be as they are' and find their way no matter the words or they'll be swallowed by the beast. I do think the first condition to a real future is to possess a poet's spirit, a dancer's feet, and resolve in the tragic view of life. If you look on the future dourly, I would say to make merry and be confident, for fate is so very providential and good fortune loves those who are a celebration of the Earth!

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[Caspar]

"Revolution"s are when the rebels win, "civil war"s are when the state wins

What about the Hungarian revolution of 1848?

Could you imagine some sort of faction in the armed forces that just decides to fire on civilians?

Most definitely. If that's not the purpose of the ATF and the FBI and the NSA, I don't know what it is. Hell, now they want the taxman to carry.

Some dumb 18 year old kids, in a big city and scared will shoot up the scary homeless camp and think it's self defense.

Chieferman, I dunno if you've experienced an angry homeless man off his gourd on coke, but they are a legitimate threat. Maybe work commercial property management in one of those big cities and tell me again how benevolent the homeless are. There's no 'nice people' except 'my people' said everyone ever and whether they're right or not, evolution seemed to agree because that perspective still quite exists.

I don't get why so many retards online want to see the US rip itself apart when they're going to be affected as well.

The accumulation of powers demands its discharge, and if it cannot find expression upon others, then it will find it upon itself, paraphrasing N. man.

(I'm looking you fuckers who participated in the Gamergate, Social Justice, "Third Wave" Feminist, and Identity movements)

I feel very called out, but I'm a good boy who dindu nuffin. GG and Identity movements ain't bad guys, got their nuts sure, but they're solid.

is antisemitism becoming increasingly common as blacks and whites both continue to lose faith in the ability of government to address their needs?

Yes. And I wholeheartedly support the black Israelites, they need to reclaim their true home in Jerusalem from the pretender regime in Tel Aviv. Actually though, Sephardic Jews are pretty chill, so they should leave them alone; Ashkenazis are quite neurotic however. Though it sounds like I'd find Kanye pretty funny nowadays if I paid attention to him.

 

[SolidStateSurvivor]

went on Tucker Carlson, accused the Kushners of being Trump's "handlers," and basically said black people need their own state because neither party gives a shit about them outside election season

I'd say his first point here is somewhat true, but I can't tell if they handled Trump to the extent of keeping his unhinged ideas in check or if they took advantage of him being a political outsider to push bs legislation. Probably some combination of the two if I had to guess. His second point is absolutely true though, black people only get paid lip service to their issues, and Kanye has never been afraid to vocalize this.

Do you think he's just a lone nut who doesn't represent the cultural zeitgeist or is antisemitism becoming increasingly common as blacks and whites both continue to lose faith in the ability of government to address their needs?

It's easy to write off Kanye as "crazy" but this certainly represents a shifting zeitgeist, and it's something I've noticed over the last few years even in the highly censored comment sections of YouTube videos/news articles. More people are openly questioning the narrative around events like 9/11, learning of central banking, calling out BlackRock, mainstream press, etc. Some of it is off the mark but overall it's great to see, it's been a long time coming. People wouldn't feel the need to question these things if the government and their lives were running prosperously. But the squeeze is on and people are starting to feel the negative effects of disasterous/wreckless policy making. They'll certainly make an example out of Kanye if he dares push the envelope too far.

Part of me wonders if Kanye's recent postings are partially fueled by a late realization of Susan Rosenberg's involvement with BLM. I highly recommend you check out this absurd snopes fact check on her involvement, their attempt at debunking is media gaslighting at it's finest

If Kanye alleges that Jews are the inventors of "cancel culture," then I imagine him being suspended/"cancelled" from posting on social media is only going to fuel this feeling right? I can't think of a single recent instance where purging an individual or an ideology hasn't strengthened their resolve and entrenched them further. Alas, the main goal of these tactics is to merely prevent certain ideas from spreading further to new people, to destroy one's influence and power over the masses via deplatforming, and Kanye certainly has a large audience.

But Kanye won't be easy to take down either, he is already welathy, has connections, and still has a flourishing music career. I reckon they'll keep his social media locked until his handlers try and convince him to backtrack. I'm not going to comment on if he's right or wrong, but I'll certainly advocate for his right to say/make claim to whatever the hell he wants to online.

 

[MoxxyWasHere]

It is true that America is starting to radicalize more (and I don't wanna say who's-who, but its mostly the right-wingers), but I doubt that they'll ever start to organize and create a civil war anytime soon. Plus America's military is one of the strongest in the world, so a bunch of smelly rednecks and neo-nazis wouldn't really go any far in a war even if they wanted to. If Trump loses the next election the Trumpies are gonna whine and seethe for a moment then just move on to the next radical right figure like Ron DeSantis etc. And I know for a fact that no governor is gonna secede from America or anything like that, and if they do, I am open to give the CIA some ideas for assassinations LOL. jk jk of course.

 

[Pangolin]

You just need one missile boat far out in the middle of the gay ocean to put the secessionists in their place.

 

[Fairykang]

What would you recommend citizens of the west who just want to live their lives do to not get caught in the crossfire?

Kermit would tell you to build your ark before the flood.

 

[Caspar]

You just need one missile boat far out in the middle of the gay ocean to put the secessionists in their place.

I've looked over this one sentence so many times at this point. Between the gay ocean and putting secessionists 'in their place', I'm just not even sure what to say. Whose side are you even on?

 

[deepfreeze]

I've looked over this one sentence so many times at this point. Between the gay ocean and putting secessionists 'in their place', I'm just not even sure what to say. Whose side are you even on?

Pangolin is a Gay Atlantis nationalist. Everything makes sense now.

 

[cuneicorn]

You just need one missile boat far out in the middle of the gay ocean to put the secessionists in their place.

Guerrilla war is never that simple. In Iraq what the neocons promised would be a quick jaunt in and out of Baghdad turned into a decade-long stalemate and eventually a failed state, and that was after starving a million children to death with sanctions and Blackwater mercs massacring people in the street. Imagine how butthurt the "international community" would get if you did even a tenth of that to white people on their own soil. There's a reason psyops are so prominent in the West; they're considered more civilised.

 

[SolidStateSurvivor]

Imagine how butthurt the "international community" would get if you did even a tenth of that to white people on their own soil.

As MoxxyWasHere pointed out, it's what the media labels as "far right" that would most likely to bring about a civil war, mass casualties of their fighters and sympathetic civilians would easily be justified and sold to the public by the media.

Lest we forget Sherman's March to the Sea in the first civil war. The feds have gone scorched earth once, and they'll gladly do it again, with or without UN involvement.

Spoiler: Side tangent

The mythos of the first civil war is this "brother vs brother" conflict of passion over the main issue of slavery, but what's brewing now appears to be out of extreme hatred over a broader sense of general ideology/way of life. If a formal greenlight was issued for a civil war/purge type event I get the impression there would be a shortage of hesitation and a surplus of enthusiasm on both sides to fulfill a bloodlust.

 

[gathermore]

1st world citizens are too soy (even if you eat meat, ur meat eats soy pussy) and soft to fight ANY type of war... We are not capable of collective action on that scale in the slightest. You need to live in shit for awhile before people have enough grit/selflessness to fight.

Speaking from both my own feelings and observations as 1st worldie in the West.

 

[VHSMARONITE]

War will happen eventually. Whether or not it will be a civil war, a revolution, an invasion, or a nuclear exchange, I cannot say. But it will happen. I see so much discussion about "taking up arms", and "fighting back against your oppressors". The current state of the world makes me reflect on the subjugation of the early Christians under Nero. It would have been much easier for them to take up arms and fight back, in some sort of revolutionary coup against the Roman elite. But, in fact, no mass revolution took place. I think, in order to truly outlast the bloodshed that is to come, we need to focus more on the internal dangers of losing our morality in such chaotic times, rather than the earthly matters of politics. Look inward, improve yourself and keep your spiritual duties foremost in your mind. You will defeat anyone that presupposes dominance over you with bombs and rifles.

 

[cuneicorn]

On top of the recent PayPal controversy, JP Morgan Chase just dropped Kanye's fashion company. This is the future; say the wrong thing with a big enough platform and you'll be excised from civil society.

 

[SolidStateSurvivor]

On top of the recent PayPal controversy, JP Morgan Chase just dropped Kanye's fashion company. This is the future; say the wrong thing with a big enough platform and you'll be excised from civil society.

On a recent podcast appearance Ye's doubling down it seems. Took these quotes from a Rolling Stone article discussing it.

"Jewish people have owned the Black voice," West said. "Either it's through us wearing the Ralph Lauren shirt, or it's all of us being signed to a record label, or having a Jewish manager, or being signed to a Jewish basketball team, or doing a movie on a Jewish platform like Disney. I respect what the Jewish people have done, and how they brought their people together."

"Paparazzi taking a photo of you, you ain't getting no money off of it. You're used to getting screwed by the Jewish media," West added. "And I'm saying, you poked the bear too fucking long."

"They blocked me out. The Jewish media blocked me out," West said. "I'm lit. J.P. Morgan, I put a $140 million in J.P. Morgan, and they treated me like shit. So if J.P. Morgan Chase is treating me like that, how they treating the rest of y'all?"

"Once they cancel four So-Fi Stadiums [Ye Concerts] because of what's classified as wrong-think... because it's very important to have the black vote in groupthink, and not separate from the thought and being completely in line with the Left, the Jewish media and the Chinese." West added of China, "They got something to do with everything."

West said his provoking of the media is perhaps connected to a 2024 presidential run. "The only possible way that I'm gonna win is, early on, call out the Jewish media, because they'll play nice with you."

I've been thinking more about @cuneicorn 's point about the cultural zeitgeist shifting and the fact we're about to be in a position where Twitter and it's knock offs are about to be controlled by Elon, Trump, Ye, and the fundamentalist who runs Gab certainly could be a pivotal moment. I think it's more likely however that should this scenario play out then the government will step in to try and kill Section 230 or seek other legislative means to censor the internet.

 

[cuneicorn]

On a recent podcast appearance Ye's doubling down it seems.

I've been thinking more about @cuneicorn 's point about the cultural zeitgeist shifting and the fact we're about to be in a position where Twitter and it's knock offs are about to be controlled by Elon, Trump, Ye, and the fundamentalist who runs Gab certainly could be a pivotal moment. I think it's more likely however that should this scenario play out then the government will step in to try and kill Section 230 or seek other legislative means to censor the internet.

I just finished the drink champs interview and I would say he more than doubled down lol. Near the end (it's 3hrs long) he just screamed "IT'S THE JUDEN" into the mic as a joke.

I will say that if he really intends on running for president he needs to do some hard thinking about policy. When they were asking him about the war on ukraine he gave a very trumpesque response along the lines of "I know how to run companies so I can run this country too." Though he did highlight how Biden and Kushner's business interests in the region were a motivating factor for the hysteria.

 

[cuneicorn]

Yep, it happened with good ol Alex Jones, will likely happen to Kanye and whoever else dares talk wrongthink

They even banned Minister Farrakhan back during the wave that got Jones. I wasn't under the impression that he still had much influence but perhaps they were worried he might start saying especially controversial stuff again during his twilight years. On Drink Champs Ye played a clip of Farrakhan supposedly expressing support for the WLM stunt based on Nation of Islam theology, which is interesting.

That Cuomo interview was painful to watch. No doubt a has-been playing with fire trying to get views but he could have at least let Ye finish a sentence.

 

[SolidStateSurvivor]

I will say that if he really intends on running for president he needs to do some hard thinking about policy. When they were asking him about the war on ukraine he gave a very trumpesque response along the lines of "I know how to run companies so I can run this country too." Though he did highlight how Biden and Kushner's business interests in the region were a motivating factor for the hysteria.

I'm only a little bit into the interview so far, [DRAFT EDIT: YouTube deleted the reupload after I got about 30 minutes in] but to speak on a potential Ye 2024 run I have a bad feeling they'd try to rig it against him again. I remember TPTB state by state doing everything they could to have an excuse to keep him off of ballots. Trump was already put through the grinder for being an "outsider" (despite years of playing and knowing politicians on both sides) while Ye has no real connections to the system. If he were to make a decent run the establishment would view it with even greater resentment and consider it a mockery of their profession. They'll go balls to the wall to try and prevent that.

The only way Ye even has a chance of getting the republican nomination is if both Trump and Desantis don't run in 2024, which is unlikely. If Ye played his cards right then being VP to one of them isn't outside of the realm of possibility (a Trump/Desantis ticket is impossible since both claim Florida residency iirc.) Who knows, that could've been a legitimate talking point between Trump and Ye at their dinner meet up they had recently. Ye certainly would've gone along with Trump's plan to have the VP not certify the electoral college votes in 2020 that's for sure.

I'd love to see a Trump/Ye campaign in 2024 just for the prospect of Ye getting to grill the fuck out of Kamala Harris in debates.

They even banned Minister Farrakhan back during the wave that got Jones. I wasn't under the impression that he still had much influence but perhaps they were worried he might start saying especially controversial stuff again during his twilight years. On Drink Champs Ye played a clip of Farrakhan supposedly expressing support for the WLM stunt based on Nation of Islam theology, which is interesting.

That Cuomo interview was painful to watch. No doubt a has-been playing with fire trying to get views but he could have at least let Ye finish a sentence.

I used to think Farrakhan was a loon, mainly because of this sermon I saw where he was yelling about McDonald's "killing you with your taste buds" but honestly the more I read up on him the more I agree. Didn't know he got deplatformed, I thought these progressive techies were all about elevating black voices? Guess that only applies to those that recite the pre-approved message, much like Ye is getting at. Cuomo (who I didn't realize was fired from CNN, lul) is a clown. Him not letting Ye finish is to ensure he can't fully articulate his points and in hopes of getting him all worked up for a viral clip.

 

[cuneicorn]

I used to think Farrakhan was a loon, mainly because of this sermon I saw where he was yelling about McDonald's "killing you with your taste buds" but honestly the more I read up on him the more I agree. Didn't know he got deplatformed, I thought these progressive techies were all about elevating black voices? Guess that only applies to those that recite the pre-approved message, much like Ye is getting at. Cuomo (who I didn't realize was fired from CNN, lul) is a clown. Him not letting Ye finish is to ensure he can't fully articulate his points and in hopes of getting him all worked up for a viral clip.

Same, I warmed up to Farrakhan after watching a lot of his speeches and interviews from the 90s. I wouldn't say he's been the same level of organiser as someone like Malcolm but I'm nonetheless glad that someone from Elijah Muhammad's inner circle survived the Civil Rights era and kept his black nationalist theology relevant. Farrakhan does have a tendency to say lulzy shit - my personal favourite example being the time he dwelled on his emasculating colonoscopy experience so long that the sisters in the audience started shouting him down. But he usually comes across more grandfatherly than loony in those moments. And antisemitism aside, I think it scares the establishment when people like Farrakhan and Ye express sympathy for black autonomy in government/economics.

Cuomo's fake concern for Ye's mental health was especially cringe. "Better take your meds and shut your mouth before we double tap you in the back of the head and bribe the coroner to declare it a suicide." I almost cried when Ye ended the interview with "thanks for telling me how I should feel about my own trauma." Ye's justified anger at various industries sabotaging his life and culture is met with debanking, White House condemnation, and an endlessly refreshing well of liberal media seethe; seems some animals are more equal than others.

 

[SolidStateSurvivor]

Farrakhan does have a tendency to say lulzy shit - my personal favourite example being the time he dwelled on his emasculating colonoscopy experience so long that the sisters in the audience started shouting him down.

lul this I gotta see

I think it scares the establishment when people like Farrakhan and Ye express sympathy for black autonomy in government/economics.

Pretty much, hell the glowies did everything they could to take down MLK too, who was a moderate compared to Malcom X. The establishment doesn't want the black community coming together and addressing long-standing issues, the establishment wants to be the middle man who sucks them dry while getting good PR for achieving little in reality. If the Black Lives Matter organization was actually seeking legitimate change in the establishment, then I have a hunch it would've been actively sabotaged. Sounds like Ye realized that was the case with the Black Lives Matter organization, because what beneficial change for the black community does that movement have to show nearly two years later? Floyd's death was one of the most pivotal moments the black community had to bring about real change and it just kinda feels like nothing helpful came of it. From my perspective the BLM organization just seemed like a ploy by others to launder some money towards themselves and DNC canidates who have largely failed to address the issues.

Ye is right in the sense that regardless of what group you want to directly attribute it to/blame (whites, jews, democrats, etc) the black voice and agency has long been controlled/subverted by outside forces. I think there's some good Rosa Parks quote on this (it was generally about how they need to be wary of white allies because they are just in it for themselves if I recall) but for the life of me I can't find it. I think she said it back in the 90s at some university lecture.

Even when it comes to a cultural level, a lot of black musicians and celebrities have to follow the orders/conduct of their managers and executives. Ye is right to call out the system being one sided in that it's almost always other races/groups signing black people rather than it being the other way around. How can the black community freely express itself when even these prominent figures of theirs are still on the line getting cut checks from others? This is where the disparity in generational wealth really shows.

 

[SolidStateSurvivor]

Trump's claiming he will be arrested Tuesday and calls for protests.

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