Respectable argument, have a good day sir.
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Respectable argument, have a good day sir.
All I keep seeing is this same argument. "It was depicted therefore it was approved of". Not exactly how it works when there are plenty of counter-arguments to be made concerning symbolism and other factors. And here's some info on the Greeks: https://www.theguardian.com/world/1...eece, homosexuals were,as fit only for slaves.You sure ask for a lot for somebody who hasn't provided any evidence, stats, or documentation. But here:
https://www.nature.com/articles/news.2009.473 (And here is a layman's variation of that document: https://www.nature.com/articles/nature07995)
The Lost Civilizations of the Stone Age
An authoritative, eye-opening look at Stone Age civilizations that explodes traditional portrayals of prehistory The rise of historical civilization 5,000 years ago is often depicted as if those societies were somehow created out of nothing. However, recent discoveries of astonishing...books.google.com
Gods, Demons and Symbols of Ancient Mesopotamia
Ancient Mesopotamia was a highly complex culture whose achievements included the invention of writing. This illustrated text offers a reference guide to Mesopotamian religion, mythology and magic between about 3000 BC and the advent of the Christian era. Gods, goddesses, demons, monsters, magic...books.google.com
You're continuing to make an argument from a modern perspective. Read the documentation. Do your own research.
The Sumerians: https://www.ishtartemple.org/myth.htm
Sex and Eroticism in Mesopotamian Literature
Sex and Eroticism in Mesopotamian Literature is a new contribution to current debates about sex and eroticism. It gives an insight into Mesopotamian attitudes to sexuality by examining the oldest preserved written evidence on the subject - the Sumero-Akkadian cuneiform sources - which were...books.google.com
The Egyptians: Richard H. Wilkinson, Complete Gods and Goddesses (https://archive.org/details/completegodsgodd00wilk_0/page/206/mode/2up)
To touch on your addition, the Greeks actually viewed masturbation as a normal and regular activity: https://books.google.com/books?id=EflODgAAQBAJ&q=satyrs+masturbation&pg=PA359#v=snippet&q=satyrs masturbation&f=false
Dictionary of Classical Mythology
Jenny March s acclaimed Dictionary of Classical Mythology, first published in 1998 but long out of print, has been extensively revised and expanded including a completely new set of beautiful line-drawing illustrations for this Oxbow edition. It is a comprehensive A Z guide to Greek and Roman...books.google.com
"Subjective" As if this disproves my point. And alright here's some evidence: https://features.inside.com/why-arent-men-in-their-20s-having-sex/
Japan is perfect case study of this. Japanese birth rates being as low as they are with pornography being as prevalent as it is over there must be indicative of something. In developed countries people arnt even having casual sex as often anymore, they're just sitting at home masturbating instead. Pornography kills your drive to get a partner because it involves 0 risk and some reward anytime you want as opposed to all the effort you have to put into a gf or wife to get a less frequent reward if you even get that far. Porn is a top 3 factor at least when it comes to declining birth rates which in turn will eventually lead to societal collapse for economic reasons. Its a more serious issue than people are giving it credit for.
Speak for yourself. I bust a nut every day, sometimes 2 and still wrestle men twice my weight 4 times a week and do a post training workout at home while working a 42hr week, running 1 and playing in 2 DnD campaigns, buying groceries, doing chores and dating a girl.
This is typically attributed to the extreme work culture of Japan as well as the severe economic downturn after 1991. Typically, employees are expected to work overtime and weekends. It is common to find workers pulling 10 to 12 hours shifts 6 days a week, especially salary employees. Along with this, far more women in Japan are moving into the working force and facing the same conditions. Between extreme work hours, a higher cost of living in areas where work can be found, and the extremely minimalistic living conditions in these areas, couples opt to adopt pets instead of have kids. The extreme levels of stress induced by Japanese work culture (as can be seen in their suicide rate) can be applied to the declining rates of sex as well (as studies show high levels of stress can significantly drop the libido of both men and women).
It's very abundently clear that you're not reading what you're linking. Literally go up from the page (page 194) you linked in the one about stone age civilisations and you will see it says very clearly that the idea is absurd that all these figures were of a sexual nature. In the bit about the Greeks page 344 backs up what I am saying. The Greeks looked down on it. And yes the author's intentions matter. That's a basic part of critical thinking. Analyse every aspect of the source. LGBT activists tend to be part of the 1960s orthodoxy. They had their own preset worldview to achieve an ideological end of a world in which everyone just lives in a constant state of nihilism whilst calling it "liberation". To separate people from all that made life worthwhile in the hopes it will fill the empty narcissistic void in themselves. And Burundi has a high amount of polygamy going on. Although illegal it is still widespread (although this according to an article from 1999 so I'm not sure what the rates are like now). But frankly that just proves my point further that men who do not have their libido restricted will inevitably become anti-social and possibly violent.
Dude, take a screenshot or something, ctrl+PrtSc. Its been forever since I read the book and that page won't show me whatever you're trying to mention in the preview. I see nowhere in the text where they mock this idea. I can't refute what you have to say if I have no idea what you're saying.
Damn, you do have me there with that passage. I'll have to do more research into this, but I am glad to have learned something here.
Ok so it kinda does both at the same time. It expands your appetite but reduces your ability to actually satisfy it. So today most young men go online and abuse themselves with porn as a means to satisfy their drive to find a real woman. As mentioned before it destroys social skills by filling the mind with various shameful thoughts. So for example me and my mid-teens friends used to watch porn together usually to laugh at. We spent a lot of time doing this because it was so dominant on our minds. This means we could not talk to other people except each other because most people don't want to talk about hentai. So what this causes is an inability to socially expand and actually find a girlfriend. But at the same time these people have an endless supply of new and more extreme images that they wish to act out in the real world as computer screens cannot satisfy. So it's a catch 22 where the man cannot find anyone and has an increasing sexual appetite. If such a male does find himself in a relationship he is likely to carry these often times damaging sexual fantasies on a woman which in turn makes gender relations worse. A lot of women these days talk to men increasingly less because of this. In the more likely case he cannot find anyone who will become increasingly distressed, depressed, and angry which can result in violent acting out.
Okay, so what I gather from this is that its the fault of the person, the hobby they choose to indulge in, and their perspective on how they should be able to interact with society. If someone'a only hobby is porn and its literally the only thing they want to tall about, its not porn that's the issue, its their life balance and perspective that is the issue.
Well in my case I grew up in a religious primary school with an irreligious household consisting of me, my mother, and my sister. My father was around but the relationship was distant. I had a sort of substitute father in the form of a close family friend. This subject never came up for me. Of course a school consisting of a bunch of children isn't going to tolerate anything pornographic. Although I should note that one of the kids had seen it I believe and it was around the time he became more violent. For the most half this subject never came up. I was left to discover it on my own in my own time. Even when I found friends to look at these images with the shame never went away. I'm not going to go into the full details of what this caused me to do as I still feel deeply ashamed of it but all I can tell you is that it was bad. The problem has largely cleared up now that stuff is gone. Ultimately I come out of it angry that no one warned me and that this stuff was actively promoted to me. I had guys who were 18 actively showing it to me when I was 13. Nothing was done to inform of these effects.
bro you have legit been making that comprasion since the moment you started talking about ancient men wacking it to fucking mud statues
No, I never said whacking it to mud statues is the same as infinite on demand porn. I said we've had porn for thousands of years.
I'm sorry you had to go through that. The worst part about the prevalence of pornography nowadays is the age in which people first view it. There's a lot of talk about "just don't watch it if you don't want to" which doesn't take into account that the average age people find this stuff is getting lower and lower. Last I checked it was 11 or 12 in the US. Its hard to argue that people choose to watch porn of their own free will when the average person gets hooked on it as a minor. Its impossible to avoid on the internet even with the strictest of filters sometimes and it negatively shapes people's perceptions of sex and relationships going into adulthood.
